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Callanecc I dont know how to notify other administrators about illegal actions. Therefore, I address to you. You can blocked of this guy here which broke the rules of editing because he deletes the data and distort the story and provoke war of edits. It deletes the data and some working links in its sole discretion, without any right. See history of edit: here Sûriyeya (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Callanecc You can take action! Editor (Berkaysnklf) broke the rules of edit as they use for edit unreliable biased sources for edit and without good reasons revert edits of other editors and he provoke the war of edits. If you will see history of edition here then you see that they deliberately violate the rules of editing. I know that I also maybe twice broke the rule of 1RR when try restored the correctness of the data and to correct what him distorted. But I always try to stick to the rules of editing and not break them but it was a situation when I tried to fix intentionally the data on the map which have been deliberately distorted. Also he violated one of the basic rules:

Rule #1-A reliable source for that specific edit should be provided.
a) A well-known source that has a reputation for neutral (not biased) territorial control coverage, can be used (is deemed reliable) for all edits.
b) A well-known source that does not have a reputation for neutral (not biased) territorial control coverage, can be used (is deemed reliable) only for edits that are unfavorable to the side it prefers (favorable to the side it opposes).
c) A source that is not well-known (or that has proven inaccurate for all edits) cannot be used (is deemed unreliable) for any edit. This includes all maps (see item 2- next).here Sûriyeya (talk) 21:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

1RR and Rules for editing

I marked Huwareen as the contested on based reliable source but you dont need edit on based data from twitter or changed of my edits. You must follow the rules of editings.

Rules for editing the map:

1-A source, reliable for that specific edit, should be provided.
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c) A source that is not well-known (or that has proven inaccurate for all edits) cannot be used (is deemed unreliable) for any edit. This includes all maps (see item 2- next).

2-Copying from maps is strictly prohibited. Maps from mainstream media are approximate and therefore unreliable for any edit. Maps from amateur sources are below the standards of Wikipedia for any edit. They violate WP:RS and WP:CIRCULAR.
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3-WP:POV pushing and intentional misinterpretation of sources will not be tolerated. If you are not sure about what the source is saying (or its reliability), post it on the talk page first so that it would be discussed. FoXrEpOrTeR (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

OK! But I was right but I not will again violate rules. Sûriyeya (talk) 07:38, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you! :) EkoGraf (talk) 14:12, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk Pages

Are very useful.. Use this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2015_Latakia_offensive for your current problems. SaintAviator lets talk 08:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Bruskom talk to me 19:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Bruskom Thank's! Sûriyeya (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

My edits

Hi,

Regarding this note... Do You mean my last mistake I reverted or there is more? I will gladly pay more attention to something if You point me precisely what was wrong. Thanks. --Hogg 22 (talk) 11:24, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

No! It is propose for all editors in the future comply with the rules of editing in dispute situations, and do not use the maps as a source for editing. And not to use too-outdated sources. Sûriyeya (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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To You and Yours!
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:56, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Use of Foreign language References Latakia Offensive

You removed the discussion above so I started another. The word is this: Use foreign language refs ONLY when English language ones not available. There is no need to use them as well as the English language reference just for the sake of it. This is from a discussion on use of them on The Village Pump. SaintAviator lets talk 23:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

SaintAviatorBut I can restored this discussion it if you want? Sûriyeya (talk) 07:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Its Ok, thanks for the offer. Just use the Arabic references Only if there is no English one. SaintAviator lets talk 08:04, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

SaintAviator OK! Sûriyeya (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Hawaranews

Since when did this source from pro-kurd one turned into reliable one to edit in favor for the kurds??Lists129 (talk) 14:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Lists129 This source was recognized as a reliable source from other Kurdish sources which is we can use in favor of SDF/YPG. But if you think that source can't be used as a reliable in favor of SDF you can start discussion on Talk page. If other editors confirm that source can't be used in favor of YPG/SDF I'm revert my edits. I will accept any decision. But Pro-SAA sources also confirm SDF/YPG advance.herehere and some other sources hereherehereANF News and pro opp. sources also confirmed that SDF advance and captured Tishrin Dam and some villages.here Syrian democratic forces have seized over Tashrin dam and 8 other villages “Beer Shamal, Beer Bakar, Abdakly, Tal Banat, Khashkash Saghir, Khashkash Kabir, Weisy and Muwailah”here Sûriyeya (talk) 15:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Recognized as "realiable" from other pro-kurdish source comon it is just like recognizing a pro-Isis source "reliable" source by other pro-Isis sources.Ridiculous.Lists129 (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Lists129 SOHR also confirmed SDF/YPG gains. SOHR said that SDF/YPG captured that Tishrin Dam and parts of the road Manbej - Ar-Raqqah and reach the western banks of the Euphrates River.here Sûriyeya (talk) 21:13, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Up to date sources

• Here are your up to date resources regarding the Turkmen control of towns and villages of Düden (Dudayin), Karamezra, Karaköprü, Delha, Çobanbey and Harcele. Please do not revert my edits. Syrian Turkmen Assembly TRT. Berkaysnklf (talk) 27 December 2015, 16:53 (UTC)

BerkaysnklfBut wher source which said that Baghaydin was retaken from ISIS? Sûriyeya (talk) 16:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf I'm just put village Baghaydin to black because source which said that this village retaken provide data for 2013. But I dont tuch other edits which you made. But if you provide fresh data that village FSA-held I will self revert my edit. Sûriyeya (talk) 17:23, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Your edits relating to population of Syrian towns

Your edits relating to population of Syrian towns are in violation of Wikipedia rules. The sources you have used are unreliable. This is because they are WP:MIRROR of Wikipedia. The policy in WP:MIRROR states: “Mirrors and forks of Wikipedia are publications that mirror (copy exactly) or fork (copy, but change parts of the material of) Wikipedia… Copies of Wikipedia are not reliable sources per the verifiability policy.”

You can see for example in source you used that they are citing Wikipedia. All the other sources you used have the same problem. The only reliable source we have for now is the official Syrian government census of 2004. I am not the only one who thinks that your edits are in violation of Wikipedia rules. Here you can see admin User:Kuru reverting your edit in “Rasm Harmil al-Imam” with the edit summary: “remove reference to wikipedia mirror”. Please do not change population numbers (based on unreliable sources) anymore. Tradedia^talk 08:13, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Tradedia Ok! In the future, I will not do that. Sûriyeya (talk) 08:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

You speak Arabic?

Hi,

I noticed You speak Arabic. Could You please check this diff? The source which is given is quite short and google translator didn't give me the name of the village changed. Could You please check if change fits given source? --Hogg 22 (talk) 05:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Hogg 22 You are right! Source only said that the 3 people die of a land mine which remained from ISIS in the village Sykol. And not said about the village of Qadiriyah. It was not a reasonable change. Sûriyeya (talk) 08:28, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Template:Iraqi insurgency detailed map

Sûriyeya I wanted you to invite you to contribute if you are interested on the Iraqi insurgency detailed mapand to make this template accurate beacause it's really outdated and based on heavily pro-biased sources from pro-biased editors.Lists129 (talk) 17:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Lists129 I'll check and maybe I can help in the improvement of this map. I know that in Iraq Kurdish forces Peshmerga also with Iraqi troops fight against ISIS. I support all forces which fight against terrorists of ISIS so for me, this map will also be interesting as well the detailed map for Civil War in Syrian. Thank's for the invitation. Sûriyeya (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya You're welcome anytime,Speaking about supporting I dont support any faction I just want that these templates to be correct and something else never be biased on your edits even if you support one of this factions beacause this not a battle ground it's a wikipedia were lots of people rely and like to know the real situation.Lists129 (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Lists129 I support Kurds and other forces who fight against terrorists of ISIS but I make changes on map without any bias. I against to use not reliable data and edit map on based of such data. Sûriyeya (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Tel Hamad

Hi,

Regarding this. Source says

Syrian Arab Army’s 15th Brigade and their allies imposed fire control over Tal Hamad, leaving only a small pocket of resistance left to clear at the western perimeter of this strategic hilltop

which basicaly means they are not there yet. It's under loose rebel control or at least contested. --Hogg 22 (talk) 20:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 Also source said that the SAA and their allies imposed fire control over Tal Hamad, leaving only a small pocket of resistance left to clear at the western perimeter of this strategic hilltop located between the cities of Sheikh Miskeen and Nawa.here So only small rebel pocket still left at the western perimeter of this strategic hilltop. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Fire control + small pocket near the hilltop means rebels left the hilltop and hide next to it while SAA shoots at hilltop ("fire control" = You can't go there because I can shoot You, but I'm still not there either). So, IMHO, contested. --Hogg 22 (talk) 21:06, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

SyriaWar2

Hi,

The other source for Mantana to SAA is probably OK (I don't speak Arabic), but this guy has 3 followers :). --Hogg 22 (talk) 08:15, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 Another source said that the SAA take the village of Mantara.source And SOHR said that the SAA advance and captured some points around and in the vicinity of the village of Atshan.here and here also this reports on English here Sûriyeya (talk) 08:30, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

As I said, I believe You have solid sources, as usual, it was just a bit funny to see that "baby bird" (new twitter account) used as a one of the sources :). --Hogg 22 (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 I just used this source only to indicate which points was taken. Because sometimes SOHR not say clear what was taken. Although you are right that the source was not very good and in most cases I try not to use such sources. Sûriyeya (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks for explanation. --Hogg 22 (talk) 09:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 I always at your service! Sûriyeya (talk) 09:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Qatar

The source you used to change Qatar status is not acceptable as many other (facebook/twitter of unknown of not reliable origin). Syrian documents is OK, but you did not quote it in the comment. With this new source you can change Qatar yourself, my revert was correct according to the rules.Paolowalter (talk) 10:14, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Paolowalter In this case I ask you self-revert because if I do this I break the rule 1RR. Also I think that we can use data from the pages of Document.Sy in Facebook or Twitter. Sûriyeya (talk) 10:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Why doesn't the changes in map show?

Hello. Besides the conflicts in Bayırbucak, Turkmens advance along Turkey-Syria border and that is reported by reliable sources besides Opposition and Kurdish forces news feeds. For example, Opposition and YPG is at conflict in the town of Malikia at the moment. I changed the yellow dot to the yellow-lime conflict dot but nothing changes in map. Any reasons? Berkaysnklf (talk) 16:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf You marked Mrouniyat as rebels-held but reliable source clear said this village under SAAhere Sûriyeya (talk) 16:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf Also you marked Qızıldag as contested only on bases pro-opp source.here but we can't use pro-opp sources against SAA and we use pro-opp source when marked Hirbnafsa as contested. You must revert this edit. Sûriyeya (talk) 16:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

There is one day between the sources about Mrouniyat. But if we don't use pro-Opposition or pro-Turkmen sources, you can't also ignore Turkish reliable newspaper sources because Turkey supports Opposition. It would be like ignoring RussiaToday or Sputnik because Russia supports YPG and Assad. The changes in Latakia are based on pro-Turkmen sources, however the changes in interior and northern Aleppo province are also based on Turkish newspapers so they should stay if the changes in Latakia are taken back. Berkaysnklf (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf Russian and Iran support in war Syrian army we cant use them source for the SAA-advances, Turkey support all anti-SAA forces ad we cant use Turkish sources for the rebels-advances. If you again use biased pro-rebels sources I will ask admins to intervene in this situation. Sûriyeya (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf also after SAA captured Mrouniyat reliable sources SOHR and som other confirmed that the SAA advance to north and west from this area and captured many other points. So this clear confirmed that the village stay as SAA held and SAA continued advance and captured nearby villages and hills. Sûriyeya (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Also in a result of certain agreements all editors agree use partialy the pro-opp. source SOHR and the partialy pro-SAA source Al Masdar as a relialbe sources. It was a compromise solution. Sûriyeya (talk) 16:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Al-Koum, Al-Mareeij, Marj Khawkhah, Bayt Miru, Al-Hawr, and Mrouniyat taken SAA. source SOHR also confirmed SAA advance. Sûriyeya (talk) 17:05, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Why are you having this much difficulty to understand ? I told you that if we don't use pro-opp. sources then we can revert opposition conquests in Latakia until they are confirmed by better sources, but you can't simply delete the changes I did in interior and northern Aleppo regions since they are published by lots of Turkish newspapers and these changes are against ISIS, not SAA. Berkaysnklf (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf For now I'm not reverted all your edits in Aleppo province in conflict between rebels and ISIS. As I said we can use Turkish sources to show success of rebels against ISIS as the many times some activists and the Kurds accused Turkey in support ISIS also some rebels sources also claim that earlier Turkey partialy helped ISIS in their fight against Kurdish forces. Sûriyeya (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf Also SOHR yesterday said about clashes between SDF/YPG and rebels in the village of Malkiya and that SDF advance inside village.here Sûriyeya (talk) 19:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

And later SOHR reported that the clashes near the village Malkiya.here Sûriyeya (talk) 19:51, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

BerkaysnklfYou are can say me which source said that the Faysal Mill Factory under control by rebels? Because SOHR 4 January said that the SDF/YPG captured him.here If your source newer we marked this mill factory as rebels-held. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Reliable sources

I dont breaking rules but you breaking rules. This morning you delete my edit but my edit was true. Pro Saa sources and Almasdarnews read : Saa full control over the strategic village of Harbinafseh but you remove. Who is right ? Almasdarnews or you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tr19ss (talk • contribs) 17:46, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Tr19ss You source said that the "SAA enter Harbinafseh’s northern sector after another intense battle and SAA are currently on the move in Harbinafseh, where they look to seize the village over the next few days after wearing out the enemy forces."here Source clear said that the village will taken over the next few days after wearing out the enemy forces. But for now village contested. Sûriyeya (talk) 17:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

But Saa reporter posted photo in the village https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1073977052632764&id=990693087627828 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tr19ss (talk • contribs) 18:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

We can't use pro SAA sources for showe success of SAA. Reliable source Al Masdar clear said village still contested. Sûriyeya (talk) 19:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Faysal

Here It exactly says "clashes continue between opposition and Ypg" for Faysal. So the yelow-lime mark will stay. Berkaysnklf (talk), 00:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

And moreover, if you are looking for something important. Try adding the information about Turkish Armed Forces preparation right next to Jarablus. See. Berkaysnklf (talk), 00:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Berkaysnklf SOHR said that the clashes continue between SDF against Al-Nusra and the rebel and Islamic factions in the al-Faisal mills area amid information about advancement for SDF and controlling new points in the area. So we marked Faysal Mill Factory as under SDF held. But OK! We mark the Mill Factory as contested but in situation with villages Ghazal and Yan Yabani SOHR clear said these villages retaken ISIS. About Jarablus they try help the SDF or rebels to capture Jarablus but Turkey not prepares forces to enter in Jarablus and fight against ISIS. Sûriyeya (talk) 06:45, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, better. And, why don't you want to believe that Turkey doesn't support neither YPG nor PKK? Turkey is fighting against them. And recently, a truck loaded with YPG arms trying to reach to PKK forces has been captured by Turkish authorities Pro-Turkish gov newsPro-Turkish opp newsNeutral news. I've always said and still saying, Turkey is preventing SDF advance and is not supporting but being against YPG. It is really the most stupid thing to put Turkey in the same column with PKK, YPG, YPJ and KCK. Berkaysnklf (talk), 23:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Suran

Well, I was just looking for news about Suran E of Aleppo when this tweet appeared on top of my Twitter feed. So, I mistakenly took it as a proof I was looking for. I forgot that there is another Sawran near Azaz. But, this Suran is behind IS lines anyway, so I would just leave it like this. --Hogg 22 (talk) 14:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Burnas

Hi,

Please double-check the location of Al Burnas. --Hogg 22 (talk) 12:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22here Sûriyeya (talk) 12:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Suwaydīyat

Mistype.Paolowalter (talk) 19:02, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Paolowalter OK! Sûriyeya (talk) 19:41, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Hamzat

Hi,

Colud You check this old edit of your. Hamzat is now green, but it's on the road between 2 black dots: Sawran and Til Alyan. Please check and see if we can make it logical. --Hogg 22 (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

deSyracuse

This is the first time I'm hearing of this rule for deSyracuse or that its pro-opp. We've been using deSyracuse for years as a semi-neutral source. Please point out the rule to me and its discussion. EkoGraf (talk) 15:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

PS Pro-government Peto Lucem map/source from February 15th [1] showing fighting around the town, not in it. Pro-government Masdar news was used to originally mark the town contested on February 6th. Thus the newer pro-gov. source (Feb. 15) takes precedence. EkoGraf (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

EkoGraf deSyracuse many times used in his reports data from opp. sources and he denie all data with pro-government sources and when he make maps he also use basically anti-SAA sources. Here also:

Rule #1- A reliable source for that specific edit should be provided.

• a) A well-known source that has a reputation for neutral (not biased) territorial control coverage, can be used (is deemed reliable) for all edits.
• b) A well-known source that does not have a reputation for neutral (not biased) territorial control coverage, can be used (is deemed reliable) only for edits that are unfavorable to the side it prefers (favorable to the side it opposes).

But in situation with Bayanoun probably you are right. Sûriyeya (talk) 16:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I checked the map's talk page logs for the last four months and haven't found anything about deSyracuse. Also, for this map, I didn't see deSyracuse cite opposition sources in regards to Bayanoun. I think it would be appropriate that you start a discussion on the reliability of deSyracuse at the map talk page and we see what everyone thinks. In any case, I'm glad you agree about Bayanoun not being contested when the Peto Lucem source I provided just now is taken into account. EkoGraf (talk) 16:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Here about all maps: Rule #2- Copying from maps is strictly prohibited. Maps from mainstream media are approximate and therefore unreliable for any edit. Maps from amateur sources are below the standards of Wikipedia for any edit. They violate WP:RS and WP:CIRCULAR.

WP:RS: “Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources.” Source: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources
WP:CIRCULAR: “Do not use websites that mirror Wikipedia content or publications that rely on material from Wikipedia as sources.” Sûriyeya (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

If you really have a problem with it, take it to the map's talk page. However, like I already said, we have been using deSyracuse as a source for years. EkoGraf (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

EkoGraf I said only about that we can't use maps as a source and noting more I not will try denie use deSyracuse if his reports will be not biased. Sûriyeya (talk) 19:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

You made a mistake

In this edit, you made a mistake. Instead of inserting the correct icon, 80x80-yellow-black-anim.gif, you inserted "Dashishah", the name of the town. Please fix this.