Talk:Wisconsin

Not enough climate data

The climate section isn't very detailed enough, it needs information about extreme weather such as tornadoes and blizzards. Lamp301 (talk) 03:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

America's Dairyland

I'm not sure why "America's Dairyland" is listed as being the state's nickname, when it is actually the State's Slogan. "Wisconsin State Symbols". Wisconsin Historical Society. Retrieved 21 May 2015. It's also erroneously listed as the nickname for Wisconsin on List of Wisconsin state symbols and List of U.S. state nicknames. I'm going to be bold and change it. Does anyone have a source (that isn't a Wikipedia mirror) that indicates this is a nickname rather than a slogan? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Nyth83: My edit was not unexplained content removal. My edit summary was "See talk". The explanation is directly above this post. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, according to WI Bluebook, "Badger State" is also an unofficial nickname.[1] I don't think there is an "official" nickname for the state, so I'm not sure how this is going to be resolved. The license plates do say America's Dairyland, not Badger state, but then again that's more of a marketing slogan. --Dual Freq (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say that a nickname has to be official. I am trying to say, both here and on Indiana, that not every phrase associated with a state is a nickname. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Page 5, very top bar, "Nickname: The Badger State or America's Dairyland". [2] --Dual Freq (talk) 21:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I added a source showing its use as a nickname dates to at least as early as 1913. It did not become a slogan until 1939. Nyth63 01:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll agree to the term as applicable here and I added a recent citation to it. However, "America's Dairyland" is only used as the title for the second part of the article on page 4 of that Newspaper article, it doesn't make use the term "America's Dairyland" in the body of that article and it doesn't say that it is a nickname. I understand what you're trying to do there, but that source only proves that the term "America's Dairyland" existed in 1913, and appeared in a newspaper, not that it was applied as a common nickname for the state. It is in the real estate marketing section of the paper and could easily be interpreted to be referring to the Marshfield, WI area as America's Dairyland, rather than Wisconsin as the aim of the article is to get people to move to Marshfield. --Dual Freq (talk) 12:59, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I found other sources, that was just the oldest. You are still removing something without a consensus when it is clear there are editors that feel it should remain in the article. There needs to be more research and dicussion about this obviously. Nyth63 15:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

"SUPREMACY OF WISCONSIN IN DAIRY INTERESTS". Marshfield Times (Land Edition). 10 Sep 1913. pp. 1, 4. <- Verification of that reference failed, the article does not say that it is a nickname for Wisconsin, it uses it as a column heading on page 4, not in the article body, and I feel it refers to Marshfield, WI since the entire article is a real estate sales pitch for Marshfield, WI. All that reference does is demonstrate that the term existed in 1913, and no one is saying that it didn't exist. Also, I do agree that it was a nickname, you just can't use that as a reference. --Dual Freq (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I see that I misplaced my comment above as you were not not the one to remove the phrase. sorry for the confusion. Nyth63 16:11, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The Wisconsin Blue Book is the authoritative source here. It says that "Badger State" is an unofficial nickname. It further says that "America's Dairyland" was a slogan added to license plates. Nowhere is "America's Dairyland" listed as an officially designated slogan. Just because an advertising slogan appears on license plates doesn't make it an "official" slogan. That requires that the legislature pass legislation officially adopting it as the state slogan, which has not happened. 32.218.41.208 (talk) 15:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Nowhere is The Badger State listed as an officially designated slogan either. So are you saying both have to be removed? That's absurd. It is a nickname in common use, as evidenced by the citation provided. There can be no "authoritative source" for an official nickname when there is no official nickname. --Dual Freq (talk) 15:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Examples of books specifically describing "America's Dairyland" as a nickname for Wisconsin. --Dual Freq (talk) 15:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

• Dornfeld, Margaret; Hantula, Richard (2010). Wisconsin: It's my state!. Marshall Cavendish. p. 5. ISBN 978-1-60870-062-2. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
• Urdang, Laurence (1988). Names and Nicknames of Places and Things. Penguin Group USA,. p. 8. ISBN 9780452009073. "America's Dairyland" A nickname of Wisconsin{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
• Kane, Joseph Nathan; Alexander, Gerard L. (1979). Nicknames and sobriquets of U.S. cities, States, and counties. Scarecrow Press. p. 412. ISBN 9780810812550. Wisconsin - America's Dairyland, The Badger State ... The Copper State ...
• Herman, Jennifer L. (2008). Wisconsin Encyclopedia, American Guide. North American Book Dist LLC. p. 10. ISBN 9781878592613. Nicknames Wisconsin is generally known as The Badger State, or America's Dairyland, although in the past it has been nicknamed The Copper State.

Amtrak

There are eight Amtrak train stations in seven cities in Wisconsin. See: [3], [4]. 32.218.35.156 (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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Wisconsin is also famous for cheese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.218.180.98 (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Additional Demonym

"Sconnie" is growing in popularity both in Wisconsin and beyond; when will it reach a level of use to add it to the list of demonyms? 108.171.131.161 (talk) 15:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

No it's not. I have lived in Wisconsin for more than 50 years and never heard this until a couple of months ago. I actually hate the sound of it. It sounds like a skin disease. My guess it is probably more of someones marketing idea of some type in which case it does not belong here. In any case, you would need some reliable source to prove it's supposed popularity. My guess it is a short lived fad that will not last long because it just sounds so damned ignorant. Just my POV so prove me wrong. Nyth63 22:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, did a quick google search and looks like it comes from a store in Madison. Also checked the USPTO database and it is trademark registered to the same store. So it's a marketing campaign and definitely does not belong in an encyclopedia. Nyth63 22:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I take umbridge with several of your points. Firstly, it doesn't matter if you like the sound of it or not, as a personal opinion is irrelevant on the encyclopedia. Secondly, it is widely used in Dane County (as it does indeed seem endemic to Madison); it is certainly a term preferred by those who come from out-of-state for the university, but that doesn't invalidate its use. Indeed, I know several people that use the term, myself included, that didn't realize it was a marketing gimmick. This implies that its popularity is detached from the company that owns the trademark, and thus won't die out when the product does. Check social media around the University--"sconnie" is used much more often than "Wisconsinite" ever is. Thirdly, as you have contributed to articles on the Kohler Company, you more than anyone ought to know that marketing names can become permanent aspects of vernacular and dialect, and that beginning as a marketing term doesn't invalidate its dialectical usage (see: bubbler). 108.171.131.161 (talk) 17:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

As a further update, I just ate at the Sprecher restaurant in Sheboygan, and they use the word "Sconnie" in their menu without attention to copyright. It's definitely not as isolated as you suggest. 108.171.131.161 (talk) 18:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)