User talk:Vanjagenije

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Yasuji Ohagi's page should be maintained

Dear Vanjagenije, Thank you for your message on Yasuji Ohagi's page. I would like to note here that I am convinced the page should be maintained. I understand that on the creation of the page I didn't provided much information on the artist, but he is a contemporary leader classical guitarist not only in Japan, but in the world. Examples of this are his successful concerts around the world including Japan, US, France, Belgium, Canada, Cuba, Colombia, Taiwan, Korea, Russia, and more than 12 albums. I hope you reconsider and the page can be reopened. In addition, Ohagi not only has being student of great masters, but has inspired new generation of guitarists and classical guitar lovers with his music. He has also being jury to several international classical guitar competitions, including the Barrios Worldwide competition and the Taiwan International Guitar Festival & Competition. I know that I could write a better article; but I can do so when the article is reopened. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisbgomezl (talk • contribs) 04:52, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

@Luisbgomezl: Hi! Wikipedia has an inclusion criteria called WP:NOTABILITY (and specific criteria for musicians called WP:NMUSIC). The only way to satisfy that criteria is to cite several reliable, independent sources that significantly cover the subject (see WP:42). The article, as you wrote it, did not cite any such source. Also, among the links that you provided here, most do not count as independent reliable sources with significant coverage. Simple concert announcements and similar are not considered to have "significant coverage". Also, texts writeen by the artist himself, his recording label or his promoters are not considered "independent". I undeleted the article and moved it User:Luisbgomezl/Yasuji Ohagi (we call that to WP:Userfy). You can continue working on the article, and I strongly advice you to use the WP:Articles for creation process for reviewing the article. Just remember: if the subject of the article is not WP:NOTABLE, that no amount of work can make the article acceptable. Vanjagenije (talk) 07:36, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear :@Vanjagenije:, Thank you for your response and for restoring the page. I have updated the page with available references. I also submitted the draft for review, as suggested. Thank you again!

Error in a SP report I filed

I filed a report for "janagewen", it should have been "Janagewen". And I see I'm not supposed to move it. So, I annoy a clerk. Sorry. Jeh (talk) 06:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Árva county

Dear Vanjagenije, as a subject of history, I kindly ask your help/attendance again. I see a possibly vandalizing atempt under a the pretext of WP:English WP:naming conventions, although having a long experience of contemporary naming conventions met with countles articles we never met usually such conflict that was now provocated and it rarely happened in the past by some anonimus or other user's with a clear anti-Hungarian aim. Recently almost all Hungarian names were deleted that is heavily outreagous regarding an article that is about a historical Hungarian comitatus, etc. My negotiation attempts did hot have a result yet, the subject initiated two reverts so I used the article talk page I kindly ask you to read through, and I've just reset the former state of the article by adding more contenporary names as a proposal, but I am afraid the subject will again continue with reverts and I want ot avoid to be pulled again in a provocation, in case I ask you to protect the article in that form when Hungarian names are also present and persuade the subject for building a new consensus in the talk page instead of continous reverting. Thank You (KIENGIR (talk) 00:10, 13 October 2016 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: I'm glad to see that you two engaged in talk page discussion, I will be watching it and comment if needed. The conditions for wp:full protection are not met. You should continue discussing and try to reach wp:consensus. I also have to tell you that you should stop calling other users "anti-Hungarian" whenever they do not agree with you. You have to always WP:assume good faith. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I know WP:AGF. Since with current user we engaged an other talk page near a month, and also in other pages/cases in his manifestations always negative came up regarding Hungary realated issues, I have great concerns, anyway as you see I am tired that instead of quality editing and I have to face with such cases. Thank you for your attendance! (KIENGIR (talk) 23:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC))

ask question

Dear Vanjadenije, may I keep on editing? and can you help me with the page which is considered for deletion? because i have evaluated the references and the author is notable. can you visit please? thank you. Jacob20162016 (talk) 04:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jacob20162016: Whether the subject is notable or not will be decided by the deletion discussion, not by you. Article may be edited during the discussion, there is no provision against that. I just have to note that you will probably be blocked soon for WP:meatpuppetry. Vanjagenije (talk) 07:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

but why? Jacob20162016 (talk) 07:58, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jacob20162016: Because you teamed up with several other people to !vote the same way at the deletion discussion. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I really did not how should I prove it? Jacob20162016 (talk) 08:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC) that is really unfair. So can I register another name? or ID? but it might happen again. believe me I really did not do it. I helped. but in return blocking me ! till when will I found out I am blocked or not?Jacob20162016 (talk) 08:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jacob20162016: No. If you are blocked, that means that you (as a person) are blocked from editing Wikipedia. WP:Block evasion is not allowed. Creating new accounts will only make it worse. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Reading back over this case, I realized that I failed to mention that not only do the accounts share the same IP, they are also the only three accounts using that address. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 10:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

SPI archive

I see that you archived Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Chie one, but there doesn't seem to be a link from there to the archive page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: You should WP:purge the page. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:00, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:1

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:1. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DEBORAH1111

Looking at this makes me think, at best, this individual doesn't grasp our policies and conventions. You know more about the situation than I, so I'll stay out of the way while you take whatever action(s) you deem necessary. You'd probably not like the solution I'm considering. Regards, Tiderolls 19:39, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Tide rolls: And what is that solution that you are considering? Vanjagenije (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

• Barring some demonstration of competence, blocks all around. Tiderolls 19:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Tide rolls: I blocked several accounts few days ago, and other seam inactive. I don't see any point in blocking. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:14, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

• I have no issue with your actions; including the block today re: the diff I posted. Tiderolls 21:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tags

Hey there, over the last day or so I've noticed you re-tagging some of the sock accounts I've already tagged, even though you're not actually changing the information (e.g. [1]). Am I doing something wrong? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:17, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: No, it's probably because I'm using the SPI helper script. It's easier to just tag them all then to go through all the socks and tag only those that are not already tagged. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought it was probably something like that. The script doesn't seem to be working for me, I'll look into it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Maybe

You may be interested in this discussion regarding a user you have unblocked. Sentence from their edit "This would be the first time Golovkin fails to fight three times in a calender year since 2012, when he first came to the United States and teamed up with HBO." and from source "This will be the first time Golovkin has not boxed three times in a calendar year since 2012, when he first came to the United States to fight and linked up with HBO." 80.235.147.186 (talk) 23:25, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Vanjagenije, thank you for doing all you could to support with the situation I found myself in. Your guidance on how to navigate Wikipedia policies and on how to contact the Arbitration Committee is greatly appreciated. Thankfully, the issue was resolved. Sthubbar (talk) 12:35, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:08, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Just dropping a note

Hope this is okay! :) --QEDK (T ☕ C) 08:51, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Grb opštine Zvečan

Samo da ti kažem da je autor grba optšine Zvečan Radosav Janićijević.Sonioa ^✉ 14:00, 26 October 2016(UTC)

LOCUMI LABS

Hi, many thanks for reviewing my page creation about LOCUMI LABS. It is actually a very interesting and striving German startup which has gained significant media attention over the last two years. Would love to see it on wikipedia. Please advise why you think it is not interesting enough or what I have to do in order for it to satisfy wikipedia requirements. Many thanks, Darimana (talk) 09:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@Darimana: Whether the article is interesting or not is of no importance. It was speedily deleted under the WP:A7 criteria because there was no explanation of significance. You have to understand Wikipedia's WP:Notability policy. Only subjects that are notable are allowed to have articles in Wikipedia. Notability is established by citing reliable independent sources (see: WP:42). Your article did not cite any source. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: I understand. There were plenty of sources and references in the first post I published. They were amended by the first reviewer. Shall I repost it with the references again for your review? Thanks, Daniel

@Darimana: Hm... I'm not sure that any of those "sources" were wp:reliable wp:independent sources. Some of the sources cited do not mention Locumi Labs at all. Some are self-published or paid reviews, so are not independent. If you want, I can un-delete the article and move it to the WP:drafts namespace, so that you can work on it. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Donald Trump

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Donald Trump. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Block user

Can you block 200.58.81.27? He's reverting a edit multiple times. GXXF T • C 18:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Possible Undertrialryryr sock

FYI: [2][3]

Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm not a sockpuppet

Please unblock me or w/e it is you've done. All I did was help a friend edit a page because he needed help. I'll let him know (Debeat) to sign his comment as well so that you can see we have different IP's. Thank you. 86.165.14.166 (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC) GCTRL

You should log in to your account and make an unblock request. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Nyitra County

Hi,

unfortunately a very similar issue is raising in this article. The same subject entered with an edit warring with two other users, after the warning the page was restored and a discussion was started a long time ago, that is still ongoing. I joined in the discussion later. Despite the discussion/resolution did not end, the subject with misleading comment on edit logs again overriden with unconsensused and improper content the article, I restored it and asked him not to such acts by an ongoing discussion/resolution in the talk page. Despite he again overridden in with pretext by referencing on something that would just partially cover the topic but here also there are special ceses that were demonstrated also by other users in the talk page, despite the subject harmed the second time WP:BRD process and WP:CONSENSUS that is totally improper in an ongoing discussion because of edit warring. Please assess and protect this article to avoid such unfortunate happenings. I am very sorry some users always seek conflict instead of calm resolution. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 10:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC))

Here is the existing consensus. Unfortunately, it is not respected and non-Hungarian names are repeatedly removed.

Maybe, User:Elonka who worked hard to achieve this consensus can also help us. Ditinili (talk) 13:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Please do not think Vanjagenije cannot distuinguish between consensus of some conventions in some cases or consensus regarding a current page or a current section or a current edit or consensus building. As well, he might see in the talk page why the special cases we are discussing are different also regarding other distractions that is under discussion. Anyway this consensus is kept where applicable, moreover you are adding improper name also, on the other hand not even Hungarian names are present strictly, since only the reference on the pages are listed, moreover it is an article in a clear Hungarian context. You think these won't be noticed? You don't respected these above and the fact that 4 persons involved in the current issue has to agree to achieve consensus on the current section.(KIENGIR (talk) 16:26, 4 November 2016 (UTC))

I will not make any assumptions who can distinguish what. Here is the existing consensus. Ditinili (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

You can again act like you don't understand, but please do not think others do not realize what you are doing.(KIENGIR (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC))

May I ask you "what am I doing"? --Ditinili (talk) 19:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

You were told - it was written more times - no need to repeat and to generate more stress.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2016 (UTC))

I am for transparent communication. What do you mean exactly? Ditinili (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Let's not flood this userpage. Read back what I have written there is nothing more to say, it is clear about the past approx. 3 months' history.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC))

Do you mean something related to I also have to tell you that you should stop calling other users "anti-Hungarian" whenever they do not agree with you? Ditinili (talk) 21:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

The average problem of your comprehension. Read back (again): Let's not flood this userpage. Read back what I have written there is nothing more to say, it is clear about the past approx. 3 months' history.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC))

No comment.Ditinili (talk) 06:07, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Finally!(KIENGIR (talk) 09:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC))

Universidad Empresarial website

Dear Vanjagenije Please be informed that NIC.cr (Which runs the Academia Nacional), only make available .ac.cr domains for Universities listed by the CONESUP. So no one except the real University can registered such ac.cr domain (AC stands for academies, on University levels) since Costa Rica does not use dot edu extension. Take as an example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_San_Juan_de_la_Cruz You may contact www.nic.cr and get an official reply if you are not sure.Taesulkim (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

@Taesulkim: As the one who introduces new content, it is your duty to establish consensus for that edit. Which web site belongs to the Universidad Empresarial de Costa Rica has been debated for long time (see Talk:Universidad Empresarial de Costa Rica, and especially the archives). I see that you left a message on the said talk page, albeit in a section titled "Request total deletion of the article", to which it has no connection. In that comment, you did not provide any reliable source to prove that the ac.cr domain belongs to the university. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)