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== How is Man Overboard not mentioned in this article? ==
== How is Man Overboard not mentioned in this article? ==


Defend Pop Punk, man. Defend it. Man.
Defend Pop Punk, man. Defend it. Man. [[User:Xsxex|Xsxex]] ([[User talk:Xsxex|talk]]) 19:56, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

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Cheap Trick

Wouldn't Cheap Trick be considered influential to pop punk? NoremacDaGangsta (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daft Punk: Punk?

As a friend once opined, these many years ago, everything on Earth is either Punk, or its Not Punk. For example, Bob Vila? Not punk. The guy from Yankee Workshop? Punk. All that said, is Daft Punk punk? They're musically, of course, not punk, but that doesn't mean that they are Not Punk as a whole. If you know much about their backstory, you know that they have this thing where, they claimed to have had an "accident in their studio" -- and the outcome was, they both transformed into robots. This was the story behind their appearing in robotic costumes and otherwise rocking that vibe for awhile. I'm not sure what they're doing now, but i suspect its equally..."of elaborate mythology", you know? So, would you say that they are punk, or that they are not punk? Or pop punk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.56.24 (talk) 13:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They're Electronica. Get over it. (142.29.104.31 (talk) 22:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]
They're the opposite of punk, why would anyone even consider it a possibility for that group to be punk? Noreplyhaha (talk) 10:19, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it's not really an oxymoron

you see the thing is that people call it an oxymoron because it's got the word pop in it, but does pop have fast distorted guitar's? pop punk is punk but a little more melodic, so it's not actually an oxymoron, it's just been misnamed, a better name choice would of been melodic punk. So while the name may be an oxymoron the genre is not. 188.222.41.105 (talk) 15:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted "Underground" section

I deleted the "Underground" Pop-Punk (1990-Present) section because it was unreferenced, unencyclopedic, trivial, and was POV-pushing original research. The point of the section seemed to be "Not all pop punk bands had big hits. Here are some pop punk bands I like that didn't have big hits."Spylab (talk) 13:47, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what I'm doing on this, but I actually agreed with the underground section, as most teenagers that are in the pop-punk scene would reference those bands. Someone looking up pop-punk on this site is going to think that ATL and blink are what pop-punk stands for. The main bands referenced all have large followings, however more of their fans are more of the screw paying for music I'm a broke teenager/college student who can't afford it, so they download it illegally. I just think that it's dumb bands not in the top 40 or not listened to by the 30 somethings editing this page should not be on it. Sorry for not really knowing how to post on here. (74.212.38.15 (talk) 03:53, 22 August 2011 (UTC))[reply]

I have this paged watchlisted as of my edit (a reversion). All I have seen have been the re-addition and reversion of content since then. I have requested Page Protection until this can be sorted out. My personal opinion is that without references of this idea, how can we justify notability and adding in what seems (to me) a sort of trivia section. Tartarus talk 00:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before the protection, my case is that of "if we don't have any way of citing it as fact, how to we put it in the article?" Assuming that it is indeed true, how do we go about indicating such? (e.g.: references or citations; quotes from people of notability.) I have left a message at the talk pages of all those involved in this discussion urging you all to come and comment on how we can resolve this. Tartarus talk 02:49, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I looked at the section again to see if it could be salvaged, but I really don't see how. It is pretty much all just opinion. Maybe some of the bands that are mentioned can be discussed in another section of the article.Spylab (talk) 22:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Spylab. And I think it will be not be easy to reliably assert that the relatively obscure bands mentioned were influential. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree. I don't see a lot here that can be salvaged as reliable sources that support notability are unlikely to be forthcoming.--SabreBD (talk) 22:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I propose that unless a reliable source or notable reference can be shown as well as a rewritten paragraph, within the next four days, that a consensus has been reached by those involved that the section should not be re-added. Tartarus talk 12:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update - full protection

I've full-protected it till there is some resolution on the talk page. Discuss away. If any admin feels there is a resolution and I'm not around, feel free to unprotect. It'd be nice to get a broader input. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update - unprotected

Oops. Forgot about this. Now duly unprotected. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blondie?

The entire discussion of what is or isn't punk or its subgenres generally leaves everyone a bit stupider. That said, wouldn't Blondie be considered pop punk? Historically they started at the same time as the Ramones (the first official Ramones gig was opening for Blondie in August, 1974), and while I don't think the Ramones and Blondie were pop, Blondie seems closer to the mark than the Ramones, although the overlap in their sensibilities is apparent. (Maybe "pop art" is a better description). And when they toured the UK in 1978, another band listed, the Buzzcocks were chosen to open for them. There was a noticeable similarity in styles of music. I'm always a bit bemused how Blondie never seems to fit the bill when these Wikipedia articles are written. A lot of it is source material; music writers habitually neglect them. But a major band from the punk scene that had a huge global impact in their own time that was always being accused of being "too pop" seems like a significant omissionAlexhaniha (talk)

"Loud guitars"

I've gotta say, a definition of a musical genre that includes 'loud guitars' as a criterion sounds simple-minded at best. Bitbut (talk) 01:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request to fix redirect

{{Editprotected}} Change the link TSOL to T.S.O.L. to fix a redirect caused by a page move. Uncontroversial. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:41, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fall Out Boy?

Fall Out Boy was mentioned in this article before the page locking dispute. Why aren't they on anymore? They are one of the extremely few pop punk acts that achieved massive mainstream success in the mid 2000s, and brought their pop punk songs to hit mainstream pop radio hard (3 Billboard Hot 100 top 10s and 2 more in the top 20) with 3 top 10 Billboard 200 albums (Infinity on High peaked at #1; 2 gold albums, a double platinum and a platinum). They even have an influence over other bands of the genre such as All Time Low, with bassist Pete Wentz's Decaydance record label signing a few successful pop punk groups. Panic! At The Disco was successful too - their "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" single was a monster smash hit in 2006, everyone in pop punk as well as even mainstream pop still knows it. This page could also mention, if sources can be found, the decline (ahem almost death) of pop punk in the 2010s. Blink, New Found Glory, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and Sum 41 were monster pop punk bands in the early 2000s but today their latest albums are commercial failures. From platinum over and over to one week in the top 50. I have a Billboard source that says the pop punk genre ?lacks mainstream representation" (the Blink cover story a few months back) Noreplyhaha (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding history

I think that we should expand the history list to include many bands that have formed recently, such as Man Overboard, Set Your Goals, The Wonder Years, Four Year Strong, and A Day to Remember — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.219.128.126 (talk) 01:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC) I think we really need to, we did have them up, but some prick said they were all no names, but that is because they all grew up in the 90's early 00's and cannot fathom that new bands could form and have a large following, because they have not heard of them. 209.74.51.238 (talk) 01:59, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Content needs to be relevant and backed up with reliable references. There is already too much unreferenced content of debatable relevance in this article. There is no need to add even more. If you just want to add bands, add them to List of pop punk bands (with references showing they are pop punk bands).Spylab (talk) 23:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative Punk

shouldn't this be redirected to Alternative Rock? Ericdeaththe2nd

"Easycore"

I would like to point out that despite being in the scene, I haven't ever heard of "Easycore" before. I understand that bands like A Day To Remember and Four Year Strong are some sort of harder pop punk, but the label "Easycore" is completely obscure and unknown. Noreplyhaha (talk) 10:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As someone into the scene I can verify that it is a fairly common term. http://www.xeasycorex.net/ would be a good example of all of it.--184.8.136.151 (talk) 03:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The main issue with easycore as it died really quickly. For instance the original editor who added examples of easycore bands like: The Wonder Years, Veara, Major League, Chunk! No Captain Chunk and City Lights. Bar The Wonder Years, none of these bands have wikipedia pages due to lack of notability and The Wonder Years, if you could consider their first album easycore, have shown a departure from the related ascetics. And the same goes for Set Your Goals, who were considered easycore but have gone to a more straight up pop punk sound now. Easycore was based on pop punk bands fusing elements of post-hardcore, melodic metalcore and melodic hardcore with varying degrees for different bands.
But the fact is it isn't a typically well documented sub-genre, and for now is just one of those terms kept in the pop punk scene. Alternative music focused comedy blog site Stuff You Will Hate talks about easycore a lot, in fact it's editors support bands that still try to make the music by writing about them. Easycore.net tragically is not considered WP:RS but it does show that the scene still exists. A good link to follow and read through is the Google news search of easycore, the links that come up will be reliable. Jonjonjohny (talk) 10:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pure Pop Punk

I actually think this article is great, in that it unapologetically just follows the popularity of pop punk, naming the bigger, more successful acts, and tracking their album sales. That is how you would most accurately measure pop punk (or any music genre's) cultural impact. That is how you would scientifically tell how many people are affected by it. However, I am one of the people who agrees that this article has 2 main problems:

1. It has kind of a makeshift "amature" feel to it (no offense to anyone), and.... 2. It doesn't go deep enough into the "purity" of pop punk, and exactly what the sound of pop punk is, originally.

As to the 2nd point, I really think that none of the article needs to be deleted, but it really needs to add a section on what bands are unquestionably pop punk, whether they are popular in the mainstream or not. I truly believe that MxPx is about the best example of a pop punk band out there, although there are other examples that are just as good. Their song "Responsibility" just about nails the genre on the head, both in sound and "attitude." I just tend to think that MxPx didn't get enough mention, as they really seem to be in the dead center of the genre, sound wise, even if they've never had the popularity of Fall Out Boy etc. The reason I mention this is because acts like Fall Out Boy and Avril Lavigne are getting plenty of mention here for their success, but at their most extreme, they sound pretty different from pure pop punk. I just wouldn't want people to think Avril's "I'm With You," or FOB's "Sugar We're Going Down" are dead on examples of pop punk. Many mainstream songs like that let chords ring a lot longer, and really lose the frenetic, quick punch of pop punk. They are not very pure examples of pop punk, even if they are great, popular songs.

I also think it's worth going into a little further that The Ramones (although not the be-all- end-all origin of punk) were quite poppy at their core, with songs like "Blitzkrieg Bop," and "Sheena is a Punk Rocker." I think its relevant that punk was quite poppy in its inception, and a lot of its purpose was to bring fun simplicity back into rock. By that measure, pop punk might be the purest form of punk. Another thing worth mentioning is the close relationship between emo and pop punk because of bands like MxPx.

As for getting a more encyclopedic feel to the article, maybe someone could get a music professor with a PhD. to write all of this stuff on his blog or online somewhere, or maybe you could quote a book written by a music expert that goes into all of this stuff. It would seem a l ittle more official, not to criticize. Overall, I like the existing sections of the article.CaptainNicodemus (talk) 18:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Green Day trilogy

This article needs mention of Uno! Dos! and Tre! as it was kind of a big deal. BlackDragon 02:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Pop punk subculture

What is the proper name for the Trendies of the late 90s and early 2000s who wore Tripp pants, spiky hair, striped clothing and red plaid? They listened to groups like Green Day, Sum 41, Korn, or Blink 182 and were viewed as posers by the older punks and goths. These are the same kids who ripped off emo fashions in the late 2000s like skinny jeans, comic print hoodies, keffiyehs, and androgynous hairstyles.

-Ossie

I think "Poseurs" is pretty much the accepted name for the early 00's Pop Punk kids. "Mall Punks" was also another term used pretty commonly around this time.
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This is a horribly written piece. It offers absolutely no insight into this genre of music but rather only gives what bands were influinced and their albums released. In my opinion it reads as if a fan who collects their cd's wrote it and has not done any actual research into the subject of pop-punk. To improve this article, there needs to be some sort of actual depth included. Questions that need answered are what differentiates pop punk from hard core, and punk bands of the 1970s.

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How is Man Overboard not mentioned in this article?

Defend Pop Punk, man. Defend it. Man. Xsxex (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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