Talk:Windows 10 version history

Capitalization of title

@ViperSnake151: I have no idea how to capitalize the title, but should you or someone with the knowledge do that? Does that require another move? The Professor123 (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Why does the title have to be capitalized? It is improper formatting, and is consistent with Android version history. ViperSnake151  Talk  04:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't have to be. I just thought all titles were supposed to be capitalized. The Professor123 (talk) 16:37, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: Codenames

Personally, I think at least mentioning the branch name for each release would work better (i.e. "rs1_release"). That's an actual piece of data used to designate each release series. ViperSnake151  Talk  13:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. —Codename Lisa (talk) 19:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Major Windows 10 updates

What is a "major" update is an opinion; two articles are not needed for Windows 10 updates. That page should be merged into this one. 331dot (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Split up table

Shouldn't we better split up the table into "Threshold 1", "Threshold 2" and "Redstone 1". That way we have a clear place to add some information about every update as we do with iOS and Android's pages on this matter and we don't end up with a way to long table. --YannickFran (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support. Hi. That's an excellent idea. This is already in place in Windows Phone version history, Android version history, and History of iTunes, so I think we have a lot of lead to help us judge whether it is a good or bad idea. We expect the table to grow very huge. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I've added some small changes like collapsing older versions (like the initial release's table) and headings to all 3 tables like the previously mentioned pages have too. Anyway, maybe we should also put in the Windows 10 Mobile version history here (like how we also put all iOS and tvOS versions together)? Perhaps also put server in here if we're going for that so all Windows 10 editions have a comprehensive article. Perhaps also kick out these long titles "First release (Codename "Threshold 1")" and instead say "Initial release" for the first Threshold 1 release and "Version 1511", etc. for following releases. Releases that do not yet carry a version can still be referred to by their official codename. If the Mobile and Server changelogs get put in here, I would also suggest to put these under their own subheading as "Desktop/Tablet", "Mobile", "Server" and "IoT" (does Wikipedia have an article on that?) (and in the future even "HoloLens"). And finally, maybe a nice intro to each version like on the other pages. :) --YannickFran (talk) 21:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
  • My thoughts on the table split: Firstly, the legend looks strange being there 3 times. Secondly, I don't think the detailed change history needs to be kept under each public release section. The tables would be better kept together under a "detailed change history" section (but keep the releases as separate tables to allow collapsing, etc). Just my thoughts. Others may disagree (so I won't change anything). Supertin (talk) 05:13, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Merge Windows 10 Mobile#Version history into this article

We're currently keeping track of Windows 10 Mobile's version history in the Windows 10 Mobile article itself, and just like how we've split of Windows 10's version history from the Windows 10-page, I think it is reasonable to split Windows 10 Mobile's version history from that article. However, I would suggest it is being merged into this article as Mobile - theoretically - is just another edition of Windows 10 and put it under its own subsection, like "Version history: Mobile" and rename the current "Version history" to "Version history: desktop and tablet". --YannickFran (talk) 21:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Support, It would be more consistent, and it would follow iOS version history which separates Apple TV from the iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 23:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

close paraphrasing

So, what part of this article is the "close paraphrasing"-message actually for. I'm willing to take a look at it, but I can't find anything wrong... --YannickFran (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

It means it is copied from or worded too closely to how it is worded in the source (which would be plagarism and copyright infringement) ViperSnake151  Talk  00:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm aware what it means, I just need to know which part of the article it applies to, because I can't find it...--YannickFran (talk) 08:43, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

The close paraphrasing may be on the tables. The descriptions of new features, improvements, and bug fixes might resemble the bullet points Microsoft provides on their blog posts announcing those updates. I will contribute where I can, if I find any resemblance. To see how closely an update description resembles the original blog post, simply compare it to the source cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NazmusLabs (talk • contribs) 20:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Discuss: Should this article include Cumulative Updates?

Windows 10 is Divided by branches. After a branch reaches RTM, The major build number for that branch is fixed. Any further updates to Windows 10 on that particular branch typically includes little to no new feature; rather, they only include fixes, security updates, and quality improvements. An update to a Windows 10 branch that has reached RTM increments the OS's build's minor version number. For example:

Branch: Windows 10 Codename X Build 12345 Build 12346 build 12347 build 12348 (RTM) Build 12348.123 Build 12348.456 Build 12348.789 ... Build 12348.n

Given that adding these post RTM updates can end up causing the tables to be very long, and given that these updates do not include significant new features, do you think this article should cover the minor build versions (cumulative updates). Note that for branches that are supported by LTSB, such as TH1 branch, those branches will be supported for 10 years. This means, there will be 10 years of monthly cumulative updates. You can imagine how long the table will get with only cumulative updates.

Please discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NazmusLabs (talk • contribs) 06:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, we should definitely include the build revision/cumulative updates, this will be consistent with Android and iOS version history pages on Wikipedia. For build branches that are not the Current Branch or Insider release branch, the table can be collapsed.Tony0517 (talk) 15:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Table not collapsable in mobile

Anyone know how to make the table collapsable in the moble site? NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 04:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

DO NOT copy-paste bullet points for cumulative updates from Microsoft's Support KB page!!!

The cumulative updates for Windows 10 are blatant copy-paste of the KB articles' descriptions of these updates. They need to be rewritten in original manner and properly summarized. We do not need to list every single bug fixes. Just highlights for each cumulative updates is sufficient. Wikipedia is not meant to be a detailed log of software updates. It is designed to give readers a summery. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 06:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

And this is why the article has been blanked. It is just a gigantic copyvio because it is copying or closely paraphrasing Microsoft's copyrighted descriptions. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

WP:NOTCHANGELOG and the importance of 3rd party sources

According to the WP:NOTCHANGELOG set of rules we may only add new changes to a changelog if they can be backed up by secondary and tertiary sources due to both WP:NOTABILITY and WP:SOURCE and since my time is very little and very precious I can't search for the right sources for all entries, but I'll try to find as many as possible and I advise other editors to do so as well otherwise we'll end up with another Xbox One System Software on our hands where the entire version history/changelog was completely deleted due to only/exclusively Microsoft being used as a source. I am not saying that we should remove any references and links to the original Microsoft sources, only complementary links to other tech sites and newspapers that have also reported on these builds.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 22:32, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Tip while searching for non-Microsoft sources just search "Windows 10 build [number]" in Bing News and you'll probably find the right old article.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

New additions

It took me quite a lot of time to look for the right sources and references and regarding early cumulative updates are harder to attain and are often "hid" in articles about more than one update (often still including Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows 8, and Microsoft Windows 8.1 updates in the same articles), anyhow I've tried to add as much as possible containing the changes mentioned in the changelog so as of now this article fully fits what's permitted within WP:NOTCHANGELOG (although the way it's written needs to fit a more encyclopedic style).

To any new additions to the changelog please add non-Microsoft sources complementary to the original source, on the day an update is released finding news articles relating to the update are relatively easy to find, but if you wait too long they'll drown in various blogs and fora discussing the update at hand, so please work swift, and work in accordance to WP:SOURCE.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, and thank you in advance for adding secondary and tertiary sources to your contributions to this page.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 15:33, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Ubuntu's bash?

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it Unix's bash or at very least Debain's bash? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkLight748 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@DarkLight748: Well, the sources name Ubuntu by source, and Canonical, Ltd. is one of the co-developers of the Windows subsystem for Linux, but if you can find any sources that specifically name Debian or just general UNIX as the "Bash" that Windows 10 runs then feel free to correct the text.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

The "See also" list

@Guy Harris: All other operating system version history articles already link to others.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 20:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Exampli gratia Android version history#See also and iOS version history#See also, "See also" doesn't just mean Microsoft-related articles, it could be any similar article or related subject.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Highlighting major features for each major release

Each release brings significant changes that should be noted. These changes are more important than a small UI change or a new option in the settings menu. Such changes can be updates to the developer environment and APIs, major visual changes, new features and applications, and other things that Microsoft and the press highlights as new features of a release. The table of versions highlight every little changes, and, thus, the big changes get buried. Furthermore, different changes appear at different builds, making it hard to know what changes have been made for each new release.

Currently, it's hard to know what each new release brings without looking at every single builds in the table. This is why the major changes will be highlighted for each release to make it easier for readers to get an idea of each release at a glance.

I look forward to your contributions! --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 11:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@NazmusLabs: Thank you, that's a great idea and would actually make the page more as if it's a part of an encyclopedia as opposed to a "bare change log", I think that we could do the same for the earlier versions, I'll attempt to emulate your edits above at a later date.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 19:44, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

No support: This is just cluttering the page. Feature descriptions have nothing to do with a version history. Like how it is done for iOS and Android, this belongs more in the main Windows 10 article or in List of features in Windows 10. --YannickFran (talk) 08:25, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Bug fixes are not prohibited.

Here is the text from WP:NOTCHANGELOG "Exhaustive logs of software updates. Use reliable third-party (not self-published or official) sources in articles dealing with software updates to describe the versions listed or discussed in the article. Common sense must be applied with regard to the level of detail to be included." Bug fixes are a part of software updates, and the list above only prohibits bugs and excessive details, also copyright infringement.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

@The Professor123: Please state the Wiki policy that says that bug fixes shouldn't be in the change log.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

@86.81.201.94: I didn't say/mean the Wiki policy. I'm saying someone put in the Windows 10 Version History itself, quote:

"** Please do not list bugs or technical issues with builds, they are inevitable in beta releases and may be patched at any time! **"

You can Ctrl + F that. I myself believe they should be included, but that text has been in the source code of this article since it was created, and no one has said anything since. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The Professor123 (talk) 20:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

@The Professor123: The author means bugs, not bug fixes which are indeed parts of updates that are usually mentioned with change logs, I've read it, everyone who edits here has, and it's very specific to new bugs, let me show you an example below...

New features

Bug fixes

Known issues (now this is prohibited as it means new "listing bugs".)

I hope that I've clarified it for you.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 16:13, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@86.81.201.94: Ah. That makes sense. I apologize for my mistakes then. Thank you for clarifying. The Professor123 (talk) 22:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I think its time we have a discussion on merging this and the page Features new to Windows 10 or limiting the amount of text that goes into the "Features new to" section

I propose the first one as I believe both the articles have/can have the same info; But this article, with proper modifications, can be better than the other one as this one has features organized in different branches. Chandradeep Dey (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Removing feature lists

Alright, I think this is getting way out of hand here. 2 sections up came the request if features should be added to every release. Kind of odd to ask when you go ahead right away, though. Anyway, not my point. I've removed all of this information for a number of reasons:

• As mentioned 1 section up, there already is an article on Features new to Windows 10, this content should belong there, not here.
• It is highly inconsistent with other history pages like Androids and iOSs that do not do this.
• It is cluttering the article with information that's outside its subject.
• It is (especially the lists) just repeating the information in the version history tables, just sorted in a different way (by feature instead of by build).
• Features new to a release have nothing to do with a version history itself. This would be like putting massive sections on Android in the Linux article because Android runs on Linux: it is connected but just not relevant to the article.
• Parts of these texts are copied from Features new to Windows 10

So, for the purpose these sections served, the info should be added to Features new to Windows 10, where this information belongs. --YannickFran (talk) 07:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Support, the reasons stated above are perfectly acceptable for the deletion of content Chandradeep Dey (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Need more discussion: The reasons stated above arte not fully applicable. I will address each bulls points individually.

* Windows 10 is the last version of Windows. 10 years from now, the "Features New to Windows 10" page will be huge, full of features added over a 10 year span. This will make the article very ambiguous, as it will be impossible to tell which feature was new to Windows 10 at launch versus which features came years down the line.

* Android and iOS has individual articles dedicated to each version. For instance, there's an article on iOS 8 and Android 5. Windows 10 versions don't have dedicated articles for each versions. There is no article for TH2 or Redstone. Therefore, we need a place for features new to each of the releases of Windows 10. If you want to dump all future features to the "Features new to Windows 10" article, it would be like dumping all iOS 8, and 9 content to the iOS 7 article.

* It's not outside the subject. These are summers of what's new in each version of Windows 10. For instance, TH2, RS1, these releases have significant changes from the RTM and previous release. They have to be highlighted. This article is version history. So we need a place for the changelog for major versions of Windows 10. It might be inconsistent with the iOS/Android version history page, but it is NOT off topic.

* Android is BASED on Linux. Windows 10 is not based on Windows. It IS Windows. Windows 10 version history page is similar to Linux version history page. Android version history page is similar to Windows 10 MOBILE version history page.

* Features new to Windows 10 is only about the RTM (TH1) release of Windows 10, which is almost a year old. This article includes what's new in TH2 and RS1, most of which are NOT IN "Features new to Windows 10"--NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

P.S. The "parts that are copied from the other article", I originally wrote those parts in that article. When new features were announced for redstone, I immediately started adding content to the "Features new to Windows 10" article. Then, weeks later I had a second thought. It was becoming hard to know what feature was for what version. So I decided to write all future features in this article. And the parts that I copied from that article, I originally wrote them in the other article. I intended to delete those from the other article. But until we come to a consensus, I will not delete it.--NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 05:03, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

You clearly do not understand any of my points...

* You claim that putting everything in "Features net to Windows 10" would make the page huge, so your solution is to put everything in this article with other content, because that would not be a huge article?

* There is nothing keeping you from making individual articles for the November Update and Anniversary Update, go ahead.

* Features new to an OS are out of the subject of version history. This is about the history, not about what changed in each version individually. You're completely missing the point and completely misinterpreting my example. That wasn't what this is about. Again, features new to a release are off topic in a subject about the release history.

* What ever stated that "Features new to Windows 10" should be about TH1? No one ever said that. Heck, the title clearly states "Windows 10", and guess what, Threshold 2 and Redstone 1 and any future version are as much Windows 10 as is Threshold 1. And if putting everything together is not good enough - on which I would agree - just divide that article into each version too. Besides, you're one to speak, you just said yourself you've been adding features that aren't part of TH1 to the very same article, what are you complaining about?

The whole point comes down to this: there already is an article for the off topic content you're putting in here, being Features new to Windows 10. The only thing you're doing now is making this page inconsistent with others, duplicating information on the same page and making it absurdly large and most of that size doesn't even come from content that belongs here. --YannickFran (talk) 14:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I labeled it as needs discussion for a reason. I can't go and start deleting stuff, or rearrange the entire Features article or start creating individual articles for every Win10 releases without having the community's input. Let me address each bullet points individually.

* I said huge and ambigious, making it hard to determine which features came on which release. 10 years from now, if we don't organize that article by version, it will be a big mess. I'll get back to this point in a bit.

* I know I can create new articles. That's why I said needs discussion. I didn't say Disagree or No support. I said we need to reach a consensus on whether to create articles or make them a subsection of an existing article.

* Okay

* No one stated that Features article should be about Th1. We have to decide on that. There is already a discussion in that article on whether to make that article for all Windows version or only the RTM version. In fact, before I added content to that article about the Bash command line, that article only did include features from TH1.

Final Thoughts There are several things we can do:

1) Divide "Features New to Windows 10" into subsections like in this article and put new features to appropriate section. We would need to rename the article along the line of "Features new to Windows 10 by Release".

2) Create new article for each Windows 10 release. There is a problem. It will create a lot of confusion. There would be an article called "Windows 10", an article called "Windows 10 Version 1511", and yet another article called "Windows 10 Anniversary Update". Doing this will surely mark those article as redundant and will be put up for deletion.

3) Restrict "Features New to Windows 10" to only Th1, and create a new article called about major version releases of Windows 10.

4) Keep things as is.

--NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

4 is not an option. 1 is the obvious solution, however there is no need to add "by release" to its title, Windows 10 is Windows 10, no matter what update it is. For 2, this can still coexists and should coexists besides solution 1. If you consider those titles confusing, that's just ridiculous, there is now also an article about Windows and each subversion and Mac OS and each of its subversions and for OS X there are even articles about the sub-subversion to Mac OS. 3 isn't an solution because - again - Windows 10 is Windows 10, no matter what update you've got. --YannickFran (talk) 06:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Support Solution 1, but I don't think renaming is necessary either. Chandradeep Dey (talk) 09:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Support Option 1

Unsure about option 2

--NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Check my edit to Features new to Windows 10 Chandradeep Dey (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Article Going Outside of Website Border

I've noticed the entire article goes outside the blue outlined border of Wikipedia. From the "Pre-release versions of Windows 10 codename "Threshold 2"" chart and below. I tried looking at the code to see what the problem was, and I was not able to fix it. This isn't really a major issue, but I thought I'd point it out so someone can figure out what happened. I'm on Windows 7, Google Chrome. And yes, I've cleared my cache/cookies, have the latest drivers, ran virus scans, CCleaner, re-installed everything, etc. I've also tried it on several other computers, with the same issue each time, so I know its not me. Might just be the site itself, but I haven't yet found the issue on any other article. The Professor123 (talk) 19:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

It was to do with template:Version. It's fixed now. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 22:33, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Build 10240 is NOT an "RTM"

This is ridiculous. The article now says itself that 10240 is not the RTM, yet it insists on calling it an RTM because some journos are calling it like that. So what, if people started calling Windows "Doors", we'll be renaming this article "Doors 10 version history"? The term "RTM" was dropped after Windows 8.1. Not to mention that you'll also find plenty of people calling 10586 a RTM and whatever the stable Anniversary Update will be is also called out as RTM. Because many people call it that, doesn't make it its official name. Additionally, this has NOTHING to do with a Neutral Point of View. Well... it has now, because you're putting in journos subjective PoV as a trueth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YannickFran (talk • contribs) 07:56, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, your opinion contradicts the neutral point of view; Wikipedia articles must account for all prominent opinions discussed by reliable secondary sources. While it is encyclopedic to state why Microsoft does not call 10240 an "RTM", it is just as important to acknowledge that reliable secondary sources still considered the build to be "RTM" because it was the first build designated as stable. ViperSnake151  Talk  00:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Gray Area Between Bug Fix and New Feature

When Microsoft lists "improved consistency/reliability/stability of X", should that be included under a new feature, or a bug fix? I've been including those as fixes, but someone has been moving them to features. The Professor123 (talk) 07:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, it isn't a bug fix. --YannickFran (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Release Preview = Public Release?

If a build is released to the Release Preview ring, but not released to outsiders, should they still be placed under the "public release" charts? I would think they wouldn't be, but previous builds under that description have been being added under the "public releases" graphs. The Professor123 (talk) 02:35, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Version 'Redstone 2'

See Windows 10 Latest Preview: Isn't the version supposed to be 1703? Why isn't the page updated? Can you update the page? 220.255.100.134 (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Microsoft has never confirmed that Redstone 2 will be 1703, that number is just speculation. Until Microsoft specifies that builds are no longer part of 1603, it will stay that number on the page.The Professor123 (talk) 04:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Anyone know whats going on with this? Why does wiki think it's a copy right violation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gh0sti100 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Gh0sti100

In almost all cases, you may not copy text from other sources into Wikipedia. Doing so is a copyright violation and may constitute plagiarism. A large part of this article is copied from Microsoft blog posts.

Right now, the copyright violating section is hidden until someone removes the violating text.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 09:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Strong oppose to deletion. This page has notable and encyclopedic information on it. The offending text should simply be removed. Deleting by proding is simply not the correct procedure. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 12:24, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I've removed much of the text, and I very much doubt there are copyright concerns still present. If anyone wants to revert me please discuss here beforehand. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 13:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's also deletion. So,...

Also there is no such thing as reverting copyright violation. Administrators have the power to block the repeat offenders.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 14:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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394 revisions were removed. Nuking it and starting over would have been more merciful. —Codename Lisa (talk) 07:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

I can't understand why. Some of the text was saved, surely that's a good thing? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 11:11, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

I would like to point out that other version histories do the exact same thing. Why is this one being singled out? In addition, development versions listed in this article are NOT taken directly from Microsoft blog posts, only cumulative updates to released versions are. For the infringing parts, surely re-wording and/or more thorough citations would solve the issue? I don't believe removing all of the tables on this page was in any way necessary. (Please do not delete this anonymous comment, this situation is infuriating me.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19A:4101:DD42:35C9:BBAC:2E72:3B59 (talk) 22:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Well I can only speak from my perspective. I came across this article, which had been blanked as a copyright violation, and marked for deletion via WP:PROD, but not by myself. I did some checks and realized that it very probably did violate copyright, as the text I checked had been straight out copy-pasted from sources. I didn't check all the text but I did check some sections. I realised that the article would probably be deleted as a copy-vio, so I deleted the text I thought was probably a copy-vio and opposed the deletion above. By doing this I think I've managed to save at least some of the text from deletion. Sorry about the loss of text but copyright is copyright, and there is no way around this.

You're right, the text could probably be reworded from the sources to comply with the copyright problems. Unfortunately that is a massive amount of work, and there was only limited time until it would be deleted. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 01:35, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Definitely better now. The lead section still needs to be written as it has been copied from elsewhere too (I can't get the copyvio detector to load now), but when I checked earlier, there was a match with other sources in the lead. —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

We are going to do this. And we are going do this right.

Thanks SO MUCH to the admin who deleted everything for the sake of the article! I am genuinely thankful. While it is a shame that a lot of the non-copyrighted work got deleted, the outcome has been better than the risk of the entire article getting deleted and stuck behind a autocracy of appeal for restoration.

I, and many others, have spent hours writing dozens and dozens of bullet points in completely original format, making sure to not violate copyright. And while it pains me to see all that work go to waste, I acknowledge that hundreds of other bullet points were, indeed, copy and pasted from Microsoft blog posts. And trying to find what was stolen work versus what was not was going to be a massive pain and a waste of time, with a huge risk of having the article deleted.

Aso, again, I think the admin who saved the article. :)

Now, here's what we are going to do. We don't give up. We are going to do this correctly. From now on, we are going to err on the side of caution. It is better to have less, but originally written, information, rather than full breadth of information but copy-pasted or too closely paraphrased information from another source.

So, here's the guideline: List the released builds on the tables, with citation from non-Microsoft sources (adding MS sources in addition, if desired), BUT DO NOT ADD NOTES unless you have the time to write them yourselves. It's better to leave the notes section blank than plagiarizing. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 20:06, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@NazmusLabs: would it be possible to avoid bulleted points? I think what would be best for notes is to have non-bulleted information only, written in an encyclopedic style, which is obviously not copy-pasted bullet points from web-sites. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 21:45, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Mrjulesd: That's a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion. Best, Nazmus --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 04:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Too bad all the information got removed! I am sure I am not the only one who enjoyed this clear summary of Windows history, even if it's copied/pasted from some MS blog or KB article. Thanks to all contributors that made this table possible! Such a table does NOT exist at Microsoft unfortunately. And for all of the folks getting auto update of their windows 10 device, this page used to be the easiest and fastest way to understand a little bit what got changed. Before fearing copyright infringement or plagiat, did anybody though about just asking some Microsoft officials? IMHO, Microsoft folks would much probably see the list at it used to be positively instead of complaining for copyright! And for all moderator of this topic, did you have a look at iOS/Android history article? It seems to me they are very similar to what used to be here!

(PS: sorry, I don't even know how talk works here on wikipedia, sorry for editing the chapter, I hope this comment will be better formatted and still considered by the moderators)

* Wikipedia has a strict rule against copyright in order to be protected under DMCA. Until the copyright laws change, there is nothing that can be done here. And even if Microsoft gave written permission to copy the blog posts' contents, it would still violate other Wikipedia rules such as posting original content, advertising by first party, and possible others. So, there is no way around this.

* Secondly, if you want a full list of changelogs, there is another site that will help you. It lists all builds, including cumulative updates, with all features and bug fixes, including those not publically announced by Microsoft. It is even more comprehensive than the list this wikipedia article had. Visite the page here: http://changewindows.org/

* Finally, wikipedia articles aren't supposed to be a list of hundreds of minor details. The purpose of the articles are to be a summery with only information that are significant and notable in a larger scale. As such, I have modified the table to only list "notable" changes in each build. It makes the writers' jobs easier, it makes the important information be seen by readers, and it doesn't run the risk of copyright violations.

Thanks for using Wikipedia and participating in the discussion!

--NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 21:29, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

If you guys are going to try to bring back some of the text with boxes and show changes please format it under the correct release version right now it's a mess and needs to be cleaned up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gh0sti100 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Let's start with clearing something else up, though. Why are Mobile builds - randomly (because not ALL builds are mentioned) - noted in this version history? Windows 10 Mobile has its own version history here, and this is in fact quiet confusing, and that's a big thing coming from the guy that got it into his mind to track every single build of every single edition of every single variation of Windows 10 including patches. If you'd ask me, the content that is now here that applies to Mobile should be moved to Windows 10 Mobile's version history section as it has the very same issues as this article used to have. Or better yet, as said above in my proposal, merge that version history into this article under its own section as we do on iOS. --YannickFran (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Hear, hear! —Codename Lisa (talk) 14:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

The arguments makes perfect sense until now. With RS1, RS2, Microsoft has done significant code refactoring and onecore updates. The biggest changes with this is that unlike in other editions of Windows 10 (Xbox, IOT, Hololens), Windows 10 PC and mobile are becoming nearly identical. Notice that in TH1, TH2, and parts of RS1, the PC and mobile builds were not in line. However, with later stages of RS1, and in RS2, the build releases are mostly identical, with some mobile builds not being released due to a showstopper bug. Also, and this is MORE important, the changes logs, with cumulative updates and improvements with major builds are nearly identical with mobile and PC. Microsoft is quickly removing mobile exclusive features (such as the silverlight based Wi-Fi settings page) and replacing it with IDENTICAL code from the PC builds. Very soon, the changes will be identical to PC and mobile. I spent a lot of time thinking about this. If we were to write the mobile history table (which is currently with major copyright violations and needs to be rewritten anyway), we will have a lot of redundant information. I thought perhaps if there were differences with a mobile build, I would put them under the heading in the build notes. I don't know. Essentially, Windows 10 Mobile is Windows 10 Desktop running on ARM processors and missing some (not all) components of the Win32 stack. That OS is almost identical to the desktop OS. This is essentially Windows RT. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely not. It isn't that simple at all. These are still 2 distinct platforms and Mobile doesn't come nearly close to Windows RT in comparison to the other desktop editions. You're over simplyfing things here. Having the same build number doesn't make them have the same feature sets. Except for the apps, that don't even belong to these builds, the whole UI and behavior between desktop and Mobile is still distinct (hence why these are 2 editions). If you really going with that argument than Team, Holographic, Server, IoT and Xbox can be merged in here aswell. After all, the only difference is the shell and development platform (the lack off Win32) between all these platforms. Further, this structure is messing around with release dates by ocmbining more platforms. Not all builds where released on the same day for desktop and Mobile or moved to the same rings for both platforms, yet the tables claim they are for those builds that do not have that consistency. There is a reason why Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile are 2 distinct articles. --YannickFran (talk) 11:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@YannickFran: So what do you suggest we do? We can create a new article like this for mobile or amend the information here to the existing article, deleting the copyrighted content. Or, we can put all mobile information here, as I was doing now. What will make the most sense? This is up to the community. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Like I've said earlier on this Talk page, I think a structure similar to the iOS version history article would make much more sense where each individual platform has it's now section in the article. There is the exact same "issue" for 1 OS for multiple platforms being from each other. --YannickFran (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Fine, we can move the mobile parts to the Windows 10 Mobile version history table. I'll do it when I have time. So, I think we can agree we can all agree that we can have separate tables for mobile and PC, but I do have one request. If anyone plans to help me out by doing this, I want to thank you in advance. We need to remove the copyrighted content from the mobile table and rewrite them. We can move what I wrote about the mobile on this table and put it there, along with all the citations. And also, if anyone deletes the mobile content from this page, please at least take the time to move it to the other table. By just deleting stuff, you are not contributing much and taking the easy way out. Thanks! --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 08:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

P.S. Notice that on the latest build that I added information to, the information applies to both PC and Mobile. In fact, as I fill up most of the table, you will notice that the majority of the information applies to PC and Mobile, with virtually all updates in the cumulative updates applying to both PC and Mobile.--NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

So you are saying we should merge that section into this article and then nuke the copyvio?

—Codename Lisa (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: Yes, although that other table needs to be nuked anyway due to blatant copy and pasting from Microsoft blogs. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: It seems that others seem to disagree. So we can create a new article for mobile version history, amend the existing Mobile article subheading, or merge the tables. What will make most sense? --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I've updated the release history for version 1507, I made sure to follow WP:PLOT guidelines, I'm looking forward for your feddback Wiki layes (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Update : an hour after I made the update, it was deleted for copyright infringement, I tried to avoid this and I used my one words, I didn't really copy-paste but it happened againt my will, I hope someone else will be more lucky than i was Wiki layes (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Title names

Let's clear up 2 things here: Why is "Version 1511, November Update" 'too long'? Every other OS is getting these kind of titles, take a look at MacOS version history and Ubuntu version history, they all include version and name in the titles that are often longer. Second, 1507 is an official version and Microsoft has been referencing to the first version of Windows 10 with 1507 ever since 1511 was released.

• https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/whats-new/whats-new-windows-10-version-1507-and-1511
• https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/whats-new/windows-10-version-1507

Since these version numbers are the only thing that actually resemble something you can put in chronological order, it makes no sense to leave the mout of the titles. --YannickFran (talk) 11:05, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi

I checked the Windows About dialog box (winver) and didn't see 1507 there. I believe the "official" criteria is appearing in the software itself.

But I digress. I am okay with unofficial. But it is really long. Why not just "1511"? It is four letters long.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 11:33, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I have User:FleetCommand on IM who says I should do everyone a favor and let this go. Fine. Consider this issue dropped. Do whatever you want.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 11:36, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: Regarding your comment on version 1507, if you read this wikipedia article, it states that Microsoft retroactively renamed the original release as 1507. But, as you will notice, winver for all subsequent versions are labeled in winver: 1511, and 1607. :) P.S. Thanks for dropping this. I'm finally free to change the Features New to Windows 10 Article! It's about time! :P --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 17:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

App Updates

The app updates included in the builds were actually bundled with the said builds and should be included. The fact that an update or an app is ported to an older release is not a reason to not include that update in the release of the build in which it originates. It's like saying Internet Explorer 7 should not be included with Windows Vista release notes because it was later brought to Windows XP. Same with IE8, IE10, and IE11. Furthermore, some app updates do not get ported back to older versions due to technology limitations (for instance the UWP skype app which is exclusive to RS1 and not TH2 release, Paint 3D which is exclusive to RS2, and updated Windows Store in RS1). So even if we did agree to remove app updates that eventually gets ported (which I wholeheartedly disagree with), you would have to find individual updates and see if they were ported or not.

The same is true for extensions. Some extensions, such as Turn off the Lights on Edge, is ONLY available in RS2 builds because the developer stated that it requires new technology in the browser not present in RS1 (which can be heard in The Sam's Report podcast).

This also applies to updates. Some updates, such as Windows Update Cleanup from Windows 8, are ported to older Windows Releases. That doesn't mean we don't include the update in the release notes of the build it originates from.

Thank you. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 17:45, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Except of course that they are not. Fresh installing these builds won't give you the new versions of the apps, you'll still have to update them through the store to get this new build, not to mention that they are first released to older builds as these announcements are always about past releases, not what is new that day. Last time I checked even the latest photos refresh wasn't part of these builds yet and still delivered the old version. App updates don't belong in these changelogs, they aren't connected to these specific builds. --YannickFran (talk) 10:09, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

So, does a person who installs from an RS1 image get the same Photos or Edge app as the person who installs from a TH1 image?

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:12, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Edge is part of the builds themselves, so that's an app this doesn't go up for. Anyway, to answer your question for the Photos app: no, they don't. The versions of the apps that are in-box do get updated through the development of Windows, but not in the builds Microsoft announces them in. If I'm not mistaken, only a handfull of apps actually got updated between the default TH1 and TH2 build, not all of them, despite these apps getting updates even from before the TH1 release. In fact, many of the apps in a clean 10240 where already vastly out-of-date on release. Yes, the images of these apps get updated over time for fresh installs but this doesn't happen on the builds Microsoft announces these updates for. They don't update the image in Windows every time the app gets updated, especially not when apps are in full feature development.--YannickFran (talk) 15:22, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

That is correct in that the build doesn't always come with the announced versions of the app in the image itself. Periodically the future builds will be updated to include the latest versions of the app. In fact, thanks to code refactoring and structural changes, the app updates do get integrated quickly. Okay, so I guess we can agree to leave out the app updates for ONLY those that doesn't come with the build. But we can't take the easy way out and just delete the content. That's not helping anyone. We have articles for the system apps, like Paint and calculator, and should create articles for built in apps that are missing. We should put the change logs for these apps on the respective articles instead. I do plan on doing this when I have time, but I don't mind a little help. Thanks! --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 08:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

P.S. How is one supposed to know exactly in which build the apps are getting integrated to the install image? We can't expect the community to clean install each build and check. If we want to be technically accurate, then we should, by definition, add app update info to the exact build they get integrated in. And I am not willing to be that technical. Just a though. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 09:04, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I would argue that there is no point in having the build numbers of the Windows version if the article of the individual apps are going to contain the version overview. After all, app updates aren't linked to builds. I think only the app version matters in such cases.--YannickFran (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay, so I thought for some time and have come to this conclusion. These app updates ARE integrated in the base image, usually within the following public builds with Redstone 2. This means these ARE OS features; just not on the build that they are announced with. So, rather than deleting the information, I'll make a note about app updates announced on the date of build release, saying that these are available as separate downloads and will be integrated in a future build. --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Where has the list of Versions 1607 gone?

Candid question: since recently I can no longer see the list of Version 1607 build numbers. Why is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacques.999 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi.

It was deleted.

This article was deleted and re-written (so to speak) due to plagiarism and copyright violation. So the section you are looking for is not added back yet.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 09:36, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Our intention is to have the missing info returned without copyright violations. We're working on it; feel free to pitch in (without copy & pasting, of course)! :) --NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 04:53, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2016

The anniversary update came out for LTSB in 2016. 66.69.252.169 (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Nothing to do: This is a statement without sources, not an edit request. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Copyright violation, why?

Why keeping 1607 update are copyright violation. I think micro. will become happy if we keep they're update history? why not?At Last ... (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

More than a defense of copyright violations, it looks like a boycott on MS. This page used to be the best source to keep track of the improvements on Windows 10 Pc and Mobile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judiospi (talk • contribs) 18:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

No. It's only because the version history was literally copied right from Microsoft's version. Rewrite it in your own words/Wikipedia style, and you can put it back. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I do understand the copy paste problem. But the previous tables were entirely deleted. Where can I find them to edit them? I looked through the history and they can't be accessed. The information was carelessly removed, making it more difficult to get this page to the usability it had before.--Judiospi (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)