Talk:Grenfell Tower fire

Emergency number

Met Police an emergency number for anyone concerned about friends or family: 0800 0961 233. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 06:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I've unhatted this for now in accordance with WP:IAR. There is no harm in having this here for the next 24 hours or so, as people may come here for info. Mjroots (talk) 07:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

In that case put it at the top of the page in red font. No point having an emergency number that's halfway down an ever-lengthening page, and does not, in fact, stand out at all, as would be expected for that purpose. — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 07:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Mjroots (talk)

Aftermath?

Can we call it that if it's still on going? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk

Published on Jun 14 2017 - charged 2 men in "fire artists" warehouse causing 36 death [1] 2601:248:4301:5A70:4A5D:60FF:FE32:8309 (talk) 09:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Council housing

Quick question: Is Grenfell Tower - or was it built as - council housing? I think it'd be worth mentioning in the opening paragraph as a description of the tenancy of the building, or at least in the background section. --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

It was built a part of the Lancaster West Estate. Not sure whether it counts as a WP:RS for facts, but this image on Geograph states that it was designed by Terry Farrell and Nicholas Grimshaw. This info should be sourceable by those with and interest in architects. I'll take a look at The Times archives and see what I can find. Mjroots (talk) 06:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

It clearly was council housing when it was built. — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 06:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

It remains council housing. AusLondonder (talk) 06:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Only at arms-length. — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 06:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The Times proved fruitless. Will ask an architect friend if he can come up with some sources. Mjroots (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The original architects were Clifford Weardon and Associates. Source: Baumeister (magazine), 1970, no. 12, p. 1452-1454. This blog is apparently not RS, but many more details are given there: http://www.grasart.com/blog/lancaster-west-estate-an-ideal-for-living (Farrell and Grimshaw probably not involved) Ghughesarch (talk) 06:50, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Storeys, The Time fire started ?

The Telegraph writes the fire started at different time and they say, that building has 27 storeys. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/everything-know-grenfell-tower-blaze/ (195.14.165.61 (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)) Here they say the tower has 24 floors. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire-massive-blaze-engulfs-block-flats-near-white1/ (195.14.165.61 (talk) 06:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC))

This link seems to indicate that the lobby/bottom floor took up about 3 stories worth of area, so it's possible the discrepency comes from whether this area is counted as one or three floors. The very top floor also appears to not be inhabited, so if these floors are all counted the count would be 27, but if they weren't it'd be 24. http://www.studioe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/1279-01.jpg

Firefighting aircraft dispatched?

as pictured is able to deliver waterfall of tons of water every few minutes. There are known open waters near London only downing on street and tower.current — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4301:5A70:4A5D:60FF:FE32:8309 (talk) 07:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Exploding refrigerator?

Not asking for original research here, but how would a refrigerator "explode" and cause a fire? I'm not clear on this point in the article. Could we clarify that? Thanks. Juneau Mike (talk) 07:43, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The same Telegraph front page (cited above) have suggestion "N Korea hackers". Perhaps to smoke Rodman visit there today. 2601:248:4301:5A70:4A5D:60FF:FE32:8309 (talk) 08:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

See also section

Ronan Point? It was not a fire, although it was a tower block disaster with fatalities in London. Can see that it is includeable should there be a major inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire, which is probably going to happen. Whilst we're on the subject, can we agree that The Towering Inferno is NOT to be added to this section? Mjroots (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely. A terrible tragedy has occured. Adding a photo of Steve McQueen would compound the tragedy. ;) — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 08:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Possible candidate for inclusion MS Scandinavian Star, a ship fire where plastics played a major role. Mjroots (talk) 08:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

is it true? emergency communication

There is now perhaps error: qoute if they are able to reach them via phone or social media—to tell them they must try to self-evacuate. If someone was sleeping ... do it mean the city office decided to not use of sirens and loudspeakers for emergency communication ? 2601:248:4301:5A70:4A5D:60FF:FE32:8309 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

and this is perhaps a sourced lie :firefighters were still battling the fire and trying to spray areas where people were seen trapped inside lie since in all the videos is clear visible the water cant reach over the top of building; so spraying by water were perhaps only possible where the water can reach. Do we discount direct video evidence and need to push what was put in MSM ? 2601:248:4301:5A70:4A5D:60FF:FE32:8309 (talk) 08:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC) the water at max was sprayed up to 1/2 height of the building.