User talk:Bbb23

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Really high volume likely sock puppeteer, undermotivated editor

Greetings. The editor in question obsessively edits Association football/soccer articles-single use editing. Extrapolating from 4 soccer articles over the last 2-3 years, I've identified at least fourteen possible socks, with one being a (nearly) daily usage sock. I'm not at all skilled using the editing tools of Wikipedia, and not too interested to learn. Nonetheless, this individual may be champion class puppeteer. Given all that, there are two pieces of evidence I'd like to present. On a recent day, this editor's (shifting back and fort between the two primary user names is clear and easy to describe accurately. The second evidence is unusual, but I think, very strong. On the puppeteer's Talk page, he and sock #1 have "walls of text" "conversations" about soccer subjects—really verbose, lengthy entries with complete agreement between the ?two different? editors. I've seen nothing else like it in Wikipedia. The puppeteer's name is also an undisguised adaptation/extension of several very similar banned user names, all probably the same individual. Given my description, would my application for an investigation be likely to be accepted? If not, do you know of an editor who specializes in sports, especially soccer, sock puppet issues? I'm also going to post at Project Football. Regards Tapered (talk) 07:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm not going to post @ ProJect:Football just yet. Tapered (talk) 07:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Have you read my reply @ Sockpuppet Investigations? It's coherent, at least. I'm not trying to fob legwork off on the clerks or anyone else. I'm all in now that I've filed for an investigation. Tapered (talk) 01:05, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm going off-wiki in a moment. I'm not blaming you for anything, just explaining what you need to do to convince someone there's socking. It's often hard for editors to do that, not just for you. G'night.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:31, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Not taking anything personally. Yesterday I spent time looking at the current crop of puppeteers. 'My' suspect's pattern and behavior seem different than any of that sample. There's nothing particularly unique about the individual diffs compared to other competent editors. Ask yourself this question, please: what's the likelihood of two different editors choosing to edit a single category of articles in the same time frame each day and never overlapping, with some changeovers being very close in time? The fact that its extremely unlikely is the crux of my case. If I'm wrong, at least I'm wrong about a Black Swan—it's happened to plenty of better people. Tapered (talk) 05:05, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Bbb23 When I enter diffs, do I want to enter all 14 for the times noted in the time line log? Would it help my case to add more logs with more diffs or without diffs? Might it be a good idea to drop this first attempt and start a new request with what I consider my most compelling argument—my previous entry here? Tapered (talk) 21:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't start a new request; if you have another "argument", put it in. I've already told you about the time log issue. We're going in circles.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:58, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

blocked or not?

Hi Bbb - is Flashmanianus blocked or not? Seems to have edited his talk page after the block. Tvoz/talk 17:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Tvoz: If I understand it correctly (and there's a first time for everything!), unless the user's talk page access was expressly revoked (and it doesn't appear to have been), then their talk page is the only page they can actually edit. Take care! — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 17:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - yeah, that sounds familiar (although inexplicable in the case of a sockpuppet like this). Tvoz/talk 18:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Kosuke (photographer)

Dear Bbb23,

I saw you deleted my page regarding the Japanese Photographer Kosuke (https://christopheguye.com/de/kuenstler/kosuke/biografie). I wanted to ask you if you could maybe give me some advice about how to show the notability of an artist. I read on the guidelines of Wikipedia, that an artist to be notable should have took part to 4 important exhibitions, and I think that this request was correctly satisfied in this case... Am I wrong?

Can you maybe give me some advise? I'm really new in Wikipedia and I'm still learning about rules and functions.

Thank you for your attention! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennyzürich (talk • contribs) 15:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jennyzürich: What's your connection with the Christophe Guye Galerie? And stop editing without logging in or you risk being blocked for sock puppetry.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Dear Bbb23, I'm sorry if I did some mistake (?)... I thought it would be interesting to give more informations about the Zurich art scene since I'm from there and I started by this gallery, should I than change topic?

You haven't answered my question. What I think you should do is create drafts and submit them through WP:AFC. Also, if you do have a WP:COI, you should declare it. Otherwise you may be accused of undisclosed paid editing. Finally, I don't know why you think an artist is notable if they "took part [in] 4 important exhibitions". See WP:ARTIST.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I really like the works that are displayed in this gallery and I'm often there because of my work, I didn't thought it could represent a matter of COI. Anyway thank you for advise, I will therefore submit my drafts to Wikipedia before publishing them. Concerning the 4 exhibitions I read something about it under https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Criteri_di_enciclopedicit%C3%A0/Artisti.

Although sometimes interesting, other wikipedias' guidelines have no force here. Please learn to WP:SIGN your posts to talk pages and other forums.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

The United Republic of Byrdia Deletion?

Dear Bbb23,

First of all, I am not sure why this page is deemed a hoax when there are several other pages on micronations present on wikipedia. Secondly, it hadn't been posted and was originally in my sandbox, where I hoped it would remain. Right now I can't even access the page however. I am apparently not even allowed to contest the deletion for some reason. I don't intend to publish the page anymore, but I would like to at least save my previous work onto a sandbox for future use. Is there any way I can do that? GabRin 16:49, 11 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GabRin (talk • contribs)

Deletion of Dynamite News Page

Hi Bbb23,

I could not understand why the page titled Dynamite News was deleted. This page at the URL Dynamite News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite_News is an article about an upcoming news portal started by a notable journalist. Several other pages do exist on wikipedia having details about similar organisations. Please help me recover the page and the content. Also addition of this link https://www.facebook.com/SulabhInternational/videos/1309591995769578/ from Sulabh International's verified facebook page should establish the notability of the organisation.

--Neerajkumar100 (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Generally, upcoming anything is not considered notable on Wikipedia. Whether the portal achieves sufficient notability after it has a track record I can't say.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Is the notability not being established by the Sulabh International's link that I provided above ? -- Neerajkumar100 (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever seen notability established by a Facebook page.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Multiple (consecutive) accounts

Hey, I'm asking for your advice because I noticed that half a year ago you imposed a 2 weeks block here against an editor Hocimi for using multiple accounts. This account Hocimi hasn't been used since 16 December when the block was imposed. However, from 25 December to 1 January 2017 a user Ziaozi was active, and since 29 December a user Zingvin has been active. All three have mainly been editing in the field of history, most particularly Dutch history, colonial history and history of science; all three did not bother about creating a user page (Zingvin finally created one last week); and both Hocimi and Zingvin have been very active in creating new but controversial categories. It may not exactly be a severe case of sockpuppetry, because the accounts have mostly been used consecutively, the main harm is the fact that Ziaozi was active while Hocimi was blocked. Is any action required here? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle: I've blocked Zingvin (talk · contribs · count). Ziaozi is  Stale and hasn't edited since January, and, as you already noted, Hocimi hasn't edited since late last year. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

• Ok thanks, that's clear action. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

SPI

Maybe I misunderstood what CU was. Still socking, wouldn't you say? Cassianto^Talk 22:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Cassianto: Don't know what your understanding was. :-) I didn't analyze the behavioral issue, but, hopefully, a clerk will.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Guerillero was very quick to block me at 17:32 on 24 October 2015 for accidentally editing whilst logged out, despite the fact that I admitted it was me and that it was an accident; yet here we have some idiot openly abusing multiple accounts, admitting it in his/her comments, and then, seemingly, getting away with it. Cassianto^Talk 12:59, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Forum 90 FC

Please can you explain to me why you deleted my Page for Forum 90 FC on 12/6/2017 @ 19:55 - what do I need to do differently ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichMephan (talk • contribs) 10:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

It has no credible claim of significance per the deletion criterion and in its own twisted way it's promotional. It has some remarkably silly statements in it: "Richard Maltby is most likely the all time leading goal scorer for Forum 90 - however he kept no records of how many goals he scored, this is probably partly due to the fact that he joined at such a young age he couldnt count higher than 10 in his early seasons." and "Rich Mephan completes the top 3 goal scorers, netting 97 times during his 10 year spell albeit he played a whopping 39 minutes of football during his first two seasons at the club as he failed to break into the team, a combination of being hungover on most sunday mornings and also being a bit shite contributed to his lack of minutes between 1998 and 2000. It also didnt help that manager Tim Lamb didn't like him at the time."

I suggest you go somewhere other than Wikipedia and mess around.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Socking/Canvassing?

user:Moicgucci, user:Cajunerich, user:Rindslicit all suddenly appeared, roughly single-purpose accounts with subject overlap with a rather prolific blocked sock-user, user:HughD.

Article is Parking crater, full history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Moicgucci

https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Cajunerich Note this is supposedly from Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rindslicit

Where should I take this, and should I formally notify the Dramatis personæ? Anmccaff (talk) 05:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Anmccaff: Reopen Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HughD. Notifying users is optional.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Anmccaff (talk) 16:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Another potential sock

Hello Bbb23. Yesterday you blocked ReallyThinBread (talk · contribs) for sockpuppetry. Now another account with a remarkably familiar name (BreadyMurphy (talk · contribs)) has started editing the same article. Would you like to do the honours? I also wonder whether it's worth putting the article on semi-protection for a month or two to discourage new accounts? Cheers, Number 57 16:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Number 57: Blocked and tagged. I didn't revert their edits because I really don't know anything about football. As for as reverting and semi-protection, you should do what you think best.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Buddhi Tamang

You last deleted this so I thought I would bring it you your attention. Needs WP:SALTing too. A related SPI is here from Chrissy. Thanks, Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 19:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Oh, and btw, regularly changing IP's - is that technically WP:SOCKing or just frowned upon because of Dynamic DNS? Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 18:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

73.51.162.241

This guy has a habit of poking around anything that refers to Law & Order. The only reason I put the ref on Tony Goldwyn was to prove he really was the director of that 2006 episode. I will admit I was curious why there were no citations at all in that table... — Myk Streja ^[who?] 00:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

You normally only need citations if something is questionable. I'm sure most of us use IMDb as a source for many things just to make sure someone really was in an episode or film, but the convention is not to put them in tables. It'd be a lot of clutter and technically IMDb is not considered a reliable source. It should certainly never be used for biographical data.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

SPI for Your Reason Here

Hey! Noticed you've blocked User:Your reason here's socks. There's an open SPI where he dragged my never-used User:OtherUser account into this bogus SPI case. Your input would be appreciated there! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Your_reason_here Sorry for the messy text; editing from mobile. —Duncan^{What I Do} / _{What I Say} 00:46, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I finished up with it as far as I'm concerned. Is there anything else you need?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:56, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Just caught that. Nope, that's all. Thanks for your assistance! —Duncan^{What I Do} / _{What I Say} 01:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)