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Yandex Maps

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Non-notable run-of-the-mill web mapping service that has been spamming Wikipedia with multiple articles on their service. Google search reveals plenty of primary coverage and very little independent coverage, certainly not enough to warrant a glut of articles.

Will be adding the rest of the articles to this nomination. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding Yandex Data Factory.

Adding Yandex.Direct.

Adding Yandex Disk.

Adding Yandex.Translate.

Adding Yandex.Taxi.

Adding Yandex Search.

All of these articles are promotional in nature rather than neutral descriptions. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:32, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:00, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I have added Yandex.Money. It is the most detailed of the sub-articles. There is still no reason why it is necessary to have so many articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Keep: If you have not previously known about Yandex products, then this does not mean to delete thats articles. Eastern Europe enjoys these products. In Russia people use Yandex products more than Google products--Ffederal (talk) 13:00, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

• Look: List of most popular websites--Ffederal (talk) 13:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

The notabilty of the website doesn't mean its product are notables. You got to prove the notability of each product with reference centered on each product. --Lacrymocéphale 13:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

400 books about Yandex.Maps/Яндекс.Карты, 300 000 news about Yandex.Maps/Яндекс.Карты. The same of other Yandex products, if you enter them into Google search--Ffederal (talk) 14:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

geohack also have link of Yandex Maps--Ffederal (talk) 14:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Yandex Translator - built into the interface of Russian Wikipedia. Such a discussion of removal is a shame. It's like that in Russian Wikipedia will decide to remove articles about Google products--Ffederal (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

• There are tons of sources about Yandex services, even in English. Example: Russian search engine, Yandex, is the fourth-largest search engine in the world (Encyclopedia of E-Commerce Development, Implementation, and Management). — Vort (talk) 14:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Many-Many links in Google search about "yandex products"--Ffederal (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment - I have not nominated Yandex. I acknowledge that the company is notable. The question is whether it requires so many spammy articles for its products. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Why not? Since there are many articles about Google's products and other Internet giants. And every product of Yandex has many authoritative sources--Ffederal (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Services are also described in sources: "Nearly 62% of all searches in the Russian-speaking segment of the Web occur on Yandex", "The company released the Russian internet's first contextual ad placement system, Yandex.Direct" (Multilingual Digital Marketing: Managing for Excellence in Online Marketing). — Vort (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment Redirect and merge Great, so doesn't that mean this namespace, Yandex Maps, should just redirect to Yandex? The question is as to whether Yandex Maps is notable, independently of Yandex. No one is proposing that the article on "Yandex" be deleted. Also, this article has some significant problems with its sources: they appear to be author-less press-release types of announcements (the third one is to an insecure website) from sites with unknown editorial oversight. Based on these alone, I don't see reason to retain this separate from the Yandex article. KDS4444 ^(talk) 18:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Where is the press release in the article "Yandex Maps"? Sources normal. In the Russian Wikipedia issues do not arise about these sources. "sites with unknown editorial oversight"? - And this is an argument for deletion? So the translator at your service--Ffederal (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

"The question is as to whether Yandex Maps is notable, independently of Yandex." - Of course, Yandex Maps are noticeable, as well as Google Maps are noticeable compared to Google. Yandex.Maps have own navigator, own street view, own tracking of congestion, as Google. Also, Yandex Maps have "street view" of Evrest, which has no other maps. And geohack also have link of Yandex Maps. Therefore, deleting this article and others is mistake, and this will lead to an scandal. Wikipedists from eastern Europe are outraged--Ffederal (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

You are not getting what I mean by "independent of Yandex". I mean having coverage independent of Yandex. Having links from other notable sites does not confer notability. Please see WP:GNG and WP:NORG for more about what it means to be notable. Most of the coverage in the news appears to be with regard to Yandex Maps removing Sakhalin Island from its database. The other coverage appears to be about Yandex with the Map division mentioned only trivially. A don't foresee a scandal for consolidating this article into the Yandex one nor do I fear an uprising in the east (that sounds like hyperbolic blackmail). KDS4444 ^(talk) 21:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

You will not delete articles about Google products for merging into one article. Oh, I'm tired of proving you. Take and delete everything, and the article "Yandex" too... "Because this is all spam unknown Yandex company"--Ffederal (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

It is worth to search news also in Russian language: "Yandex.Maps" for Android and iOS received a major update (vesti.ru) — Vort (talk) 05:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

KDS4444: Independent notability and independent coverage are different things. Example of independant coverage is the book from Maria Johnsen. Don't you think she is bought by Yandex? Example of independant notability is here: Яндекс для всех. All book (544 pages) is devoted solely to Yandex services, from which Yandex.Maps is described on 24 pages. That is more than enough for notability proof. — Vort (talk) 04:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merge any article too short to be a DYK, after removal of unreferenced or non-RS-cited material, into Yandex. Yandex does indeed seem to be notable. I don't really care about the others if they are substantiated -- this is in essence KDS4444's vote but with some more criteria-based wiggle room. Yes, they are very promotional. But that can be addressed via regular editing. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)