Talk:Racism in the United States

Bibliography

A selected annotated bibliography (20 titles or so) would make this article much more usefull. 12/2006

Weirdness

In 2005, as 4,000 people in Detroit paid their final respects to civil rights hero Rosa Parks during the four hours of her funeral ceremony on November 2, FoxNews devoted 23 minutes of air time to live coverage, there was 108 minutes of coverage on CNN and 100 on MSNBC.

Alright, uh...how is this relevant to the article, the news coverage of various networks? Why is it neccesary to say FoxNews had only '23 minutes of air time'? Also, isn't 'hero' a non-neutral term? Who is a hero or not is relative, and not a set fact. Should anyone be refered to as a 'hero' on Wikipedia? Shouldn't it say, "Rosa Parks, who is considered to be a hero in the civil rights movement by many..." or something similar?

Here are some links for citations.

The stuff's out there, I just don't have time to go through the tutorial on how to insert citations right now.

On the peaking of lynchings in the "nadir":

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/aap/timelin2.html

On the foundation of the NAACP: (I mean, come on guys, it's on the NAACP website under "How the NAACP Began"):

http://www.naacp.org/about/history/howbegan/

On Jim Crow:

http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/

On lynchings and lynching photography:

http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/

Als, H., Lewis, J., Litwack, L. F. (Authors), Allen, J. (Ed.): Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America. (2000) Twin Palms Publishers, Santa Fe.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics2/carnival/

Jews

I think calling Jews "Middle Eastern Americans" is wacky. Almost no U.S. Jews think of themselves that way. They identify with an Eastern Europe origen, or Spanish.

Not all Arabs are Middle Eastern, either. No one calls Algeria Middle Eastern, to my knowledge. deisenbe (talk) 11:48, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, and ditto for calling Romani "South Asian American". Romani and Jews are special cases and shouldn't be classified by their supposed geographical homelands, which in both cases they vacated millennia ago and has nothing to do with the racism they've experienced in the United States. There's no reason why they shouldn't have separate headers. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 18:22, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

You've reverted 9 times in the past 24 hours. That's well over the 3RR limit. You should have been blocked for that. And no, we're not "special cases". We originate outside of Europe: FACT. And we retain those identities to this day: FACT. There is nothing racist about acknowledging either.2601:84:4502:61EA:65A6:1187:CF1C:195C (talk) 18:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

And the reason we "vacated" is because we were KICKED OUT BY COLONIZERS. If you had known anything about our history at all, I wouldn't even need to tell you that. A people do not lose their identity by being exiled. Period. Especially when you have to factor in Israelis, Mizrahim, etc.2601:84:4502:61EA:65A6:1187:CF1C:195C (talk) 18:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

You are speaking on behalf of entire races now lol? You've reverted as many times as I have and used sockpuppets so you should get a block. And you are in the minority 2-1 so you don't get to put your version. Wikipedia doesn't bow down to your feelings and fake outrage and BIG SHOUTY CAPITAL LETTERS. You have made no arguments except strawmanning and calling me racist over and over. Saying all Jews are Middle Eastern is an old antisemitic trope and saying Romani are Asian not European is the same. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 18:37, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Falsely accusing other users of being sock puppets, while engaging in an edit war with multiple revisions, is entirely against Wikipedia policy on many levels. Furthermore, claiming that Jews "vacated" their homeland, when in fact they were exiled by a conqueror, is more than disingenuous, it is an outright fabrication. And why do you think that you speak for Jews, when you say that Jews do not identify as Middle Eastern? Some may not, but many do. As a Jew who identifies as Middle Eastern, despite having ancestors who survived the diaspora in Europe, why do you assume that you can speak for me and for other American Jews? PA Math Prof (talk) 02:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Middle Eastern Americans: no mention of Jews because they are classified separately.

Asian Pacific Americans: no mention of Romani because they are European

All I'm doing is pointing out facts. You have yet to point out a single straw man argument. And I am frustrated (clearly) because I rarely encounter someone as dense and committed to antisemitic revisionism as you are. Our origins are not a "racist trope". They are called "facts". Try learning what that means.

Those aren't socks either. They're not even from the same IP address. 2601:84:4502:61EA:65A6:1187:CF1C:195C (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

And that's not an RS.2601:84:4502:61EA:65A6:1187:CF1C:195C (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

The UN Human Rights Commission isn't a reliable source???!!! You're delusional!!! Ivar the Boneful (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

So four random users all happened to make the same edits as the above address within minutes of each other? What a coincidence!! You are the one being antisemitic: "there are RS explicitly grouping us with other Middle Easterners" ... the only source in the article that does so is talking about how that was the policy of the Asiatic Exclusion League!!! Which exactly proves my point about you =echoing pseudoscientific 1900s racist bullcrap. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 18:44, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Ivar the Boneful (talk), There are many, many Diasporic Jews, American and settled in other hostlands (meaning, outside of Eretz Y'Israel) around the world, that rightfully claim Indigeneity to Israel/Canaan. There have been many consensuses on Wikipedia on various Jewish-related articles, and there are many books as well as articles online that exemplify this sentiment(Two examples [Here] and [Here]). On the contrary, there are some Jews who tried to deal with Racism against them (like Arthur Koestler, as well as the early German-Jewish Reform Movement), by attempting claiming only religious differences from Europeans, as opposed to Tribal/Ethnocultural/Ethnoreligious differences, but that claim has not only been debunked by genetic science (most Jews around the world share the same genetic ancestry from the Levant [Here] and [Here], history (Page 87 of Abba Eban's Heritage: Civilization and the Jews, in which he describes Roman enslaving of at least 97,000 Jews from Israel and dispersion of them across the Roman Empire) (Copy and Paste this Link: https://books.google.com/books?id=GkzdBDuhoRgC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=97,000+slaves+abba+eban&source=bl&ots=Jna5YIm5P9&sig=oCaSw4V-D4D-J7NiLA6QycQ8JiM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhtOz30JLSAhUnjFQKHYl2AHUQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=97%2C000%20slaves%20abba%20eban&f=false) , as well as—in a comparable way to how other Tribal Peoples "adopt" new members—via Jewish law when initiating "Jews by Choice," as those adorn themselves with a new/additional Semitic identity/ethnicity ([Here]).

Main point, it is literally "Anti-Semitic" to deny Jews' Semitic connection/identity.

Also, where is your proof of sockpuppetry? Check the IP addresses. I am not a sockpuppet, nor have I ever used one. Jeffgr9 (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2017 (UTC)