Talk:Need for Speed

Custom Hot Pursuit 2 cars

In the Hot Pursuit 2 section it says this: "Also, the additional downloads of cars from the web were quite hard to find." I wasn't even aware that any official ones existed? And can't find them for that matter.

Nintendo NFSs and Motor City Online

Are there Nintendo versions of Need for Speed?

I believe yes

Yes, Underground (GC/DS/GBA).

Also, this page is horribly written; it's also not including NFS: MCO.

First this article says that Hot Pursuit II did relatively well in the marketplace. Then it says it was a flop. Which is it? Babomb 05:24, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What is NFS:MCO? If you know something about it, write something.--U.U. 19:07, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Press Release from EAGames, September 16th, 2000, re: NfS:MCO

Greetings Motor City and Need For Speed fans,

It has been entirely too long since you've last heard from us, and we deeply apologize for that.
Motor City has gone through a lot of modification, and we just wanted to make sure the facts about
the game were nailed down before we passed them on to you. This has finally been achieved, so we're
pleased to share some exciting information with you.

Motor City is an online-only game, renamed Motor City Online (MCO). We know there's been a lot of
debate about this decision. We also know that there were issues in the online space with NFS 4 & 5.
But we are striving to break new territory with our games and reach PC racers and car enthusiasts to
an extent that we've never been able to before. We have been challenged to create a great online
racing and community experience and we acknowledge that online represents a vast future for gaming.
Launching MCO early next year on Electronic Arts' new online gaming network (EA.com) will allow us
to take major steps in this direction - and that prospect is really exciting to us. We hope that
you will share our excitement and take MCO for a free test drive later this fall and assess the
experience for yourself.

Taking the experience well beyond a single player game, Motor City Online is designed to be a
bustling, gear-head haven which blends the line between game play and community; between the gaming
experience and involvement of your friends. The game features cool hot-rodder hangouts for your
online persona, near limitless car customization, sanctioned racing, street racing and arcade style
driving.

Here are some additional details about the current direction of the game:

* Several single-player online play options
* Loads of online competitions, contests, and great prizes
* Amazing cars, deep car customization and beautiful racing worlds, plus a new section of arcade game play features
* The ability to create your own online personas and build up their cash inventory and reputations in the MCO world
* Run car clubs, fix up old cars, sell their custom paint jobs, and much more!
* Tear up the streets in pro races, street challenges, and arcade driving events
* The game will track your cash, cars, racing history, and very importantly, your reputation
* Trick out your cars choosing from thousands of authentic styling and performance parts
* Customize your personas, their garage, the appearance of their cars, and their club insignias
* Trade cars and parts with other players and swap items for Motor City money 

We are hard at work on the final touches of a fully featured Motor City Online web site, that will
let you stay informed about the evolution of the game, and allow you to provide us with valuable
feedback as we approach the launch of the game. As soon as this site is available for viewing we
will contact you.

As the game continues to evolve, and the time is right, we hope that you will be interested in
getting involved first-hand. It is obvious to us that you will play a major role in making Motor
City an online success. Also, keep an eye out for more information about the upcoming launch of
EA.com, as well as changes coming to the beta racing service, EA Racing.

Sincerely,

- The EA Racing Team

--appearently posted by Kar98 03:47, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

Oh. Well, then someone, who knows more about MCO should write about it.--U.U. 14:07, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

• Not me though. I just googled it ;-)Kar98 19:15, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

i dont know much about it eather but there is already a small wikipedia page for it so a link to it sould be incloded on this page. but i dont know how to so hopefully someone else can do it.Chardrc 23:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Shortcuts

I believe that last rv was false. Tracks had shortcuts already in NFS III --U.U. 06:47, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

I have to disagree. Shortcuts and more open-ended tracks were already available from as early as NFS 2. There are at least three tracks there that I know having shortcuts, plus it is possible to drive off-road in certains areas. ╫ 25 ^ring-a-ding 12:17, 9 October 2005 (UTC) ╫

No, it's true in NFS 2 there are different routes, and some off road, but they are part of the track, not a short cut.

Screenshot

• It would be great to get at least one screen shot in this article. Gbeeker 21:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Would it be a copyright violation if I put a screenshot here?

• I've seen many other games with a screen shot, and no "copyvio" notice has popped up yet, that I know of. Gbeeker 20:19, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • After looking at some screenshots, it seems that screenshots are uploaded under the 'fairuse' banner. Examples: My favorite arcade games. Just click on any game, and then click on the screenshot to see the 'fairuse' message. Gbeeker 20:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
• New image looks great! Gbeeker 18:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Use {{game-screenshot}} -- Thorpe ^talk 16:14, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Most Wanted pc demo

dont know if this is relevant but a pc demo for nfsmw came out yesterday 10-10-05. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chardrc (talk • contribs) .

V-Rally?

The article apparently missed mentioning the Need for Speed: V-Rally rallying series. From what I've read, the series only spawned two titles - one in 1997 and its sequel in 1999 (see also NFS game list. Would appreciate it if someone mentions at least a few line about the games. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 19:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC) ╫

Incorrect

"The game is also the first in the series to lack a in-car cockpit view." was removed from NFS:HP2 subheading because it is erroneous. NFS:SE offered in-car cockpit view. Daza.info

The passage refers that HP2 was the first NFS game to remove the interior view (unless you were implying that the first NFS game doesn't have this view, which would justify your edit). The passage has been returned for the sake of clarity. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 17:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC) ╫

Just to correct myself, claiming only NFS:SE has cockpit view is erroneous altogether. Pretty much all NFS games before Hot Pursuit 2 (I'm still not sure about the V-Rally series) had a cockpit view for all real-life models, be it photo renderings or 3D models (which was first used in High Stakes). ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 17:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC) ╫

Changes

Y'know, I would suggest the following things:

• Make articles for every Need for Speed game (if it doesn't have one already, such as Most Wanted)
• Have this page be moved to Need for Speed series, and have brief mentions of each game in the series, with links to each game.

I'm not particularly fond of articles that cover every game in a particular series instead of having seperate articles for each, because then articles can get unnecessarily long (such as the Hitman series, which each game didn't have seperate articles until recently, and the Syphon Filter series page, which has really overdetailed info on the storyline of each game, with Dark Mirror being the only game in the series with its own article.) it would just look better. Your thoughts? -TonicBH 23:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

NFSSE rock music

What band played the rock songs on Need for Speed SE?

Cover cars section

This section is just too crufty for mention and has little encyclopedic value, besides simply describing the box arts' cars and little nitpicks. I'm tempted to have this removed, especially when MobyGames is already providing most of the needed illustrations of the series' box arts. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 09:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Although I added to this section I also had my doubts. I was thinking more of creating a new article but as you say it has "little encyclopedic value" Pretender2j 11:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The section has been removed. Feel free to drop a comment here if there are any objections. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Neutrality of Need for Speed series criticism

I noticed that a user has included a completely new section containing discussion on the Need for Speed series' criticism. While additions and changes that improve a article's topic are welcomed, there is an importance in providing sources to verify that any new information originated from a notable publication or website, thus confirming that the addition isn't of original research or non-neutral point of view.

In this article's case, citations are needed for discussions pertaining to the series being primarily arcade-like, but combining simulation elements, confusing gamers and "luring" them into driving dangerously (even the section this passage points to refers to only one cited case). It would be appreciated if the section is provided with any notable citations; otherwise, the section will be removed, citing to original research and POV writing. In the mean time, an {{npov}} tag has also been included in the article. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 17:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Wow, I just read the section that you are refering to, somebody has a chip on their shoulder! It really is just saying 'NFS is crap and you should play...' I'm removing the last sentence. Sure you can make criticisms of something but then to suggest an alternative is way outside what should be in an encyclopedia. The whole thing is really bordering on advice. Pretender2j 01:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

(Seeing GuardianOfTruth had managed to post a new reply ahead of me, I'll just like to note that the following reply concerns sourcing claims in the article and isn't an actual response to the new reply. A second reply in response to his/her new message may be provided.)

I've just taken a look at the links GuardianOfTruth has provided. Sadly, they don't look adequate enough to have the {{npov}} tag removed. There are particular issues that I have to note:

• While each of the reviews do have a perception that the series is arcade-like, most of the links focus on NFS games produced by EA Black Box (2002 and later) (The contracted developer assigned to develop the series was changed from the original EA Canada to EA Black Box (which is a new division of EA Canada) before Hot Pursuit 2, hence the significant shift of gameplay style). As such, the selection of links primarily reflects those of HP2 and later, and doesn't reference the first NFS (not the PC-only Special Edition), NFS III: Hot Pursuit, NFS: High Stakes, Motor City Online, as well as the early NFS: V-Rally series (developed by Eden Studios). Of course, there are three references on the contrary; two are used to note exceptions in the series (GameSpot's Porsche Unleashed review is perfect; however, the other is not reliable - see below), but NFS II is actually a more arcade example of the pre-Black Box series, and doesn't completely reflect the nature of the early series.

• One review on NFS:SE is in a fan site, which is not a reliable source for reviews. In fact, the website creator doesn't appear to be entirely neutral when it comes to comparing EA Canada and EA Black Box games. People are entitled to their own opinions in these sites, but Wikipedia presses for NPOV in articles, so this site is removed and replaced with a {{verify source}} tag, awaiting a notable and reliable source to back this claim up.

• Another review on the PC version of HP2 is actually one of many user reviews in a shopping site. Picking one negative reviews if the rest are at least mixed implies POV. The link has also been removed.

• The UGO reference (which review NFS Underground) on the claim that the "lack of realism could give gamers a different impression of driving in real life" is not a reliable source. While the review notes the lack of realism in the game, it doesn't suggest that it has "a different impression of driving in real life." This reference has been removed in place of a {{verify source}} tag.

In summary, what is needed is a balanced set of references for the entire series, or better yet, a reliable source that discusses the entire series' development from the beginning to present. Personally, the latter would be much preferable. Notable references to any sort of encouragements of reckless driving aside the Merc accident in the "Encouragement of reckless road behavior" section is also most welcomed. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 18:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

The intention of this addition to the NFS column was based on providing information that would interest people like myself. The NFS series is the most popular motoring game series in the world but some players want something different. At an earlier stage I had difficulty finding driving simulator based games since access to information/games were not so easily available, however in the past few years I was able to do so and my intention was to help people who are not interested in arcade based games to guide them to some simulation based games. I realise people have different interests and I did not mean to offend people who like NFS a lot. I too enjoy a bit of arcade style action like the hot pursuits. My intentions were just to provide people a link to the other genere of racing games that are increasing in popularity. Just to clarify the issue, I am not saying NFS is crap. I have edited my article to prove umpteen references about the arcade style nature of the game from game reviewers and specially provided one seperately which makes a discussion of the differences in real life car handling from a NFS game's physics model. The evidence clearly establishes that NFS series has overall been an Arcade based gaming series and its fans should appreciate that as a sign of good entertainment. This evidence has benefits everybody and it is not a matter of discriminating against NFS fans. Also the NFS Porche realism reference is provided (and I added one for somebody who edited my text to add the NFS 1 realism as well). The reason why the GTR2 reference is made is to further inform people about an example of a game belonging to the simulation genere to compliment the information I am trying to provide in the beginning of this section. Many wikipedia articles have references to other topics which may be alternatives to the topic being dicussed e.g. Adobe Photoshop talks about a free alternative GIMP and Microsoft Windows has references to Linux, in the same spirit I aim to provide these alternatives. Hope this helps clear this up. GuardianOfTruth 17:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have much time to research the areas of my text. Sorry if it doesnt meet Wikipedia standards but if you feel that it is still not suitable then feel free to edit it as needed. As I mentioned in the earlier message that my intention was just to help new gamers who are interested in simulation based racing games to some of those types of games (as I was one of them before). Maybe the solution is to have an 'Alternative Racing Genere' section where this is mentioned. Anyway I entrust this section into your care from now on. Do as needed and thanks for the assistance. GuardianOfTruth 19:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Rename

I suggest we rename this article to Need for Speed Series.--Taida 21:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to correct, the proper destination should be Need for Speed series. This is in line with Wikipedia:Naming convention#Lowercase second and subsequent words. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 09:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC) ╫