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Help with citations

Hi @Cordless Larry:,

I have seen that you have challenged some of the sentences and would like to see additional citations for the article I have written. I have gathered some here and I would be grateful if you could check them and advise which of these to use, as I have been warned by other editors while the article was still in the draft space not to over-cite a short article, especially with matters of public record (marriage, parents etc.).

Please consider the following:

1. For Louis Sakalovsky:

Information Center for Israeli Art

He is listed among Israeli artists (sculptor, worked in ceramics and glass).

Bezalel in Brief, nr. 25, August 1983

This is a weird format, you have to click the download icon and then open the file in a browser (Chrome etc.). He is mentioned as one of the lecturers of the Glass and Ceramics department at Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design (last page).

2. For Lorna Sakalovsky:

Silverman, Lisa: What’s New for the Kids to Read?, Jewish Journal, August 4, 2010

Mentions her book on decorative arts and names her as an artist.

British Optical Association Museum - MusEYEum Online Catalogue

The museum has two of her works in their collection, for more info, please click on the artworks.

Israeli Artists Visits Beth Shalom, Hakol, April 1994, p.3

Please note that there is also a Wikimedia commons category with her work.

3. Alumna of Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design

Cashman, Greer Fay: Happy Birthday, Mr President, The Jerusalem Post, October 29, 2015

Please use the search function as the article is long and has many subjects. It mentions that the artist is an alumna of Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design. This is also mentioned in several articles that have already been cited - should I reference those?

4. Move to Israel

Schneider, Moira: Beverly Barkat - an SA-born girl, South African Jewish Report, vol.12, nr.46, December 5, 2008, p.17

Also see references under 6.

5. Western genres

This sentence goes together with the next paragraph and is jointly referenced (ref. nr. 3, Sally Haftel Naveh, curator). The curator's text in the catalogue reads (p.21): "...Her continued observation of the tradition of Western painting, accumulated in a growing body of knowledge, has found its way to the skills she draws on directly in her artistic practice...If previously her work had reflected the classical divisions of genre in the Western tradition - the landscape, still-life, portraiture and the nude - in recent years she has shifted her subject matter to a realm of subliminal and imaginary landscapes, rendered in a language of abstraction." I can send a photograph of the catalogue page if you find it necessary.

6. Family

While I think there is no need to reference this, please consider these (almost identical) articles which talk extensively about her life. They are also referenced on her Hebrew Wiki page (I understand there are different standards with different Wikipedias):

Lewin, Leah: Beverly Hills, 2008, Mynet, November 20, 2008

Bar-Gil, Doron: Beverly 90210,Israel Hayom, November 23, 2008

As these two articles are in Hebrew which I do not speak, I have only checked them with Google translate. This same information is also available in one form or the other in various other articles than have been cited.

I would also like to add a reference to the fact that the last exhibition was supported by Outset Contemporary Art Fund.

I would very much appreciate your input.

Kind regards,

NindriIndri (talk) 17:44, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, NindriIndri. Thanks for getting in touch. I don't have time to look through all of those sources right now, but I will address some general points that should help you improve the sourcing of the article. I'm not sure where or why you were told not to "over-cite". Sometimes editors provide lots of sources for uncontroversial claims, when a single source would suffice, but in general citing sources is preferred over not citing sources. A very important policy is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which requires that people using the encyclopedia can check that information comes from a reliable source. Morever, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons makes clear that verifiability is all the more important in biographical articles, especially if the material is contentious. Now, details about an article subject's family or educational background might not seem controversial, but I would always provide a source for these myself. Others might not be so insistent, but the general principle is that once material has been questioned or challenged, sources should be provided. As long as the source is reliable, one is likely to be enough, so I will leave it to you to decide which ones to add to the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and where a single source can be used to support several different parts of an article, you can use it twice or more by following the instructions at Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Cordless Larry,

I have added the references to the article - would you have a look to make sure they suffice? I haven't removed the "citation needed" tags yet.

My best,

NindriIndri (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a quick look at the Beverly Barkat article again, NindriIndri. I can see that you have added references, but do they all support the material that they accompany? For example, I don't see anything in the first three sources that confirms that "Beverly Barkat was born in 1966 in Johannesburg, South Africa to Louis and Lorna Sakalovsky". Cordless Larry (talk) 19:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cordless Larry,

This part of the statement is covered by reference nr.4 (SAJR article), which also supports the following two sentences. I thought you had challenged the part about the parents being artists. Should I add it to the first sentence as well?

NindriIndri (talk) 20:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, if there are several references at the end of a sentence, I think readers will expect all parts of the sentence to be supported by at least one of those references, NindriIndri, so yes, I would add it too. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Cordless Larry, I have added the reference. Could you please remove the "citation needed" tags (or give me permission to do so myself, although I'd rather not)? Thank you.

Best,

NindriIndri (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done - though you still need a source for her year of birth, NindriIndri. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Cordless Larry, I added the references. I changed the sentence regarding the time of her studies - I can't find the article where this is stated right now, (I mean the 1986-1990 span) but the year when she finished her studies can be calculated from the new reference (the article was published in 2008 and states that the eldest daughter was 17.5 at the time, having been born after the artist finished her studies, arriving at 1990). I hope this is OK.

Best,

NindriIndri (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fairchristabelle

Before you get too involved, you might want to check out the previous account of M J Halton PhD User talk:Weiterbewegung and how badly that ended - for example Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive660#Weiterbewegung, Maurice J. Halton and revocation of licensing for posted text. Nthep (talk) 22:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up, Nthep. I'm not sure what to make of that discussion on a quick read, but I think I have tried to help as much as I can at the Teahouse, so I'm out in any case. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Briefly it was similar to what's happening now - extensive use of his own material without acknowledging that we didn't know it was his own; followed by trying to revoke his own cc-by-sa contributions then throwing the toys out of the pram. I'm going to stay out in case he accuses me of holding a seven year grudge. It's a real pity because he really knows his stuff but unless you too are a history PhD then you are not allowed to question his wisdom. Nthep (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Floquenbeam here, so he is aware of the previous account. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering if maybe I'd been a bit too harsh on their talk page and trusted my instincts about them too much... I guess I lucked out. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I saw your revdel request at Edith Rigby , but am going offline in a few minutes, and don't want to rush into a revdel. If no one has looked at it tomorrow morning I'll take a stab at it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Floquenbeam. I'm just trying to do my best to contribute to clearing up this mess! Your help this evening is appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad I waited and didn't rush; several of their earlier edits didn't add copyvio material from that source, so I didn't revdel those. I think I've now got all of the versions that had the copyvios. Aside from being uncollaborative, I'm unclear how prominent a researcher they are (I'm still not 100% convinced the author is the same person as the editor, tho it seems likely). The paper doesn't appear to have been published in a reliable journal, so not sure about that, but I suppose some non-COI editor could make use of the newspaper article. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Floquenbeam, and sorry if I was too broad with the revisions I flagged up with the revdel template. As I mentioned at the Teahouse, it seemed that the paper was self-published, but by that point Fairchristabelle clearly wasn't willing to listen (if they ever were). It doesn't seem that Halton is a well-established historian, and while he obviously has some potentailly useful specialist knowledge, doesn't appear to have published in peer-reviewed journals. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:40, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We appear to have block evasion on our hands, Floquenbeam: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fairchristabelle. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Austrian People's Party

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Harding Academy Nashville

Hi Larry,

Am I in the correct spot? Forgive me, for this is uncharted territory. I am experiencing some frustration because of the inability to remove false information from a page. Can you please guide me about how to do this? At the very least, I would like to add a Statement of Inclusivity to the page for a school whose latest contributor asserts that the school is a product of wanting to preserve segregation. Thanks so much for your help and my apologies for getting into an edit war, so to speak. I am just trying to do the right thing for this school's reputation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KatnissEverbean (talk • contribs) 16:13, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, KatnissEverbean. I presume that you work for the school or have some association with it? If so, please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Simple COI request to post your request at Talk:Harding Academy (Nashville). Cordless Larry (talk) 16:16, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello KatnissEverbean -- Not really. The right place to discuss Harding Academy (Nashville) is at Talk:Harding Academy (Nashville). See you there. Rhadow (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tiko Kerr

Hi, Cordless Larry,

I swear this is the very very very final time I will bother you with my Tiko Kerr edit(s) Have done the best I can with help from others (Spintendo), but seem to be getting nowhere. Have taken your suggestions but don't know if I have posted to correct section of Visual Arts area to get this posted. Very confusing there. Any ideas?

-/

Rexb9 (talk) 10:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, Rexb9. I am very busy right now and don't have time to give your request the attention it deserves, so I suggest asking for input at the Teahouse. I would just say that you appear to have removed the response to your initial request, which might result in some confusion when it comes to assessment of your latest request. As a general rule, you shouldn't remove other editors' comments from talk pages. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cordless Larry, Just so you know, It wouldn't occur to me to delete an editor's post - though I could have done something totally stupid without knowing. As You suggested, I posted a request to the Teahouse. Thanks very much for your patient input.

Best

Rexb9 (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I didn't mean to suggest that it was deliberate, Rexb9. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:48, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Mexico–United States border

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Walter Willison

Dear Larry —

I did not create this page but I am the subject of this page.

I check in occassionly to make sure the information is updated and correct. I’m not the adminustrator of this page, but if I can’t correct or update information about myself for the sake of accuracy then what’s the point?

This page has been there as long as I can remember. I am a prominemt public figure in the New York Theatre community. One click of a google seatch will bring up numerous articles and reviews about any play, musical, film, TV show or job mentioned. There are thousands of references all over the internet, including IMDB and IBDB.

The Wikipedia link is the first that will show up when doing an internet search for information about me. And now my entire history, a career that spans 55 years, keeps getting deleted as if it were fiction. This accurate detailed page has been reduced to a two sentence soundbite. This is most upsetting.

Sincerely, WALTER WILLISON NYC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:F947:C200:F9CC:6463:769F:92FE (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Walter. The material isn't being removed because it is believed that it is a fiction, but because it is not properly sourced and because it is a copyright violation because it has been copied from your IMDb biography. If you would like to try to help with rewriting the article with sources and without copyright violations, please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Simple COI request. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WALTER WILLISON Page HELP PLEASE

Larry —

Can’t you or another Editor please fix my page?

I’m not a Wikipedia editor, nor do I want to be one. My one attempt a coupke years ago to add a page for Lee Horwin who is a legitimate performer who has been around for decades was not accepted because I don’t know how to do this.

And now my own page — as a public personality for 55 years — has been practically deleted on the grounds that it contains the same credits as my IMDB pages! My credits are nor more exclusive to IMDB than anyone elses. My bio is the same everywhere. And my page — which I did not originate — has been on Wilipedia forever.

Seriously, as you must have read, I am a Tony Award nominee, I have been starring on Broadway, in films and on TV for over five decades, and now someone has decided I am not worth being properly represented on this website and all my credits have been deleted and I just don’t get it.

I was told to add links and references and I spent time doing that tonight and it was rejected. I don’t understand. I am a public personality. My life and career are public knowledge. I am not the editor of my page. I am not anybody’s editor. I just want my page back.

Before all the info was deleted it was the most complete and thorough record of my career available on line — there were even things listed I had firgotten about — and I am listed in other Wikipedia articles.

Someone set this up years ago. Can’t you or someone else fix it so I am not reduced to a two line soundbite? Isn’t that what Wilipedia editors do? If I am only reduced to a four line sentence about the show I did 48 ago then what’s the point of being listed here at all?

People use this as a reference and I would always direct them here. I even put a link in my recent programsbios saying “If you want to know more go to Wikipedia” because the information was so thorough. Now it’s gone.

Please, can’t you fix whatever is wrong or direct me to someone who can?

Sincerely, WALTER WILLISON — Preceding unsigned comment added by WAWNYC (talk • contribs) 09:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WALTER WILLISON Bio WAS WRITTEN BY ME AND IS NOT THE PROPERTY OF OR COPYRIGHTED BY IMDB

L —

I wrote all of that. It’s the standard bio that has gone out to the press, with periodic updates, for decades. I am the one who posted it on IMDB. This has nothing to do with them.

My bio has begun with the phrase “garnered a Tony Award nomination and a Theatre World Award” since a press agent first wrote that in 1971. It was not written by and is not copyrighted by IMDB.

Even the show titles are highlighted in red as copyrighted by IMDB! For example “Broadway Scandals of 1928: The New 1928 Speakeasy Musical” is the title of an off Broadway musical I wrote in 1982 and which has been recorded on CD. This has nothing to do with IMDB. it’s a title of a show I wrote listed in my bio and resume. But you - or someone — has highlighted in red as IMDB copyrighted. It is NOT! Nor are the majority of the other things highlighted, the shows and the names of the people involved in them.

To highlight all my show titles and the performers in them in red as IMBD copyrighted material is ludicrous. It’s the same as saying you can’t have a Wilipedia page for “The Sound of Music” or “Hello, Dolly!” because they’re listed on IMDB in thousands of bios and resumes.

I pay IMDB PRO annually to include that bio and resume info as does everyone else, so it’s accessible to producers, casting directors and others in the industry. The information is meant to be copied and shared.They didn’t write it. They don’t own it. They don’t even edit, censor or correct it. And one version or another has appeared in programs and Playbills and been sent out in press releases my entire life. It is not owned or copyrighted by anyone but me.

Sincerely, WALTER WILLISON — Preceding unsigned comment added by WAWNYC (talk • contribs) 10:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at Talk:Walter Willison#WALTER WILLISON Page IS NOT COPYRIGHT CONTENT. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Larry —

I’m not sure what you do for a living but I gather you’re not involved in show business. Press agents are hired by actors, writers, producers, production companis, etc. to promite them. We hire them to write about us. They work for us. They don’t own anything they send out. It is meant to be copied, used in articles, reviews, etc. That’s the whole point.

And NOBODY owns show titles or anyones names.

All he show titles and casts are highlighted in red. They are not cooyrighted by IMDB and I don’t know where anyone would even get that idea. If they are then you need to delete your pages about HELLO, DOLLY!, THE SOUND OF MUSIC, MY FAIR LADY and every other play, musical or film. As well as those pages about every other actor whose name is highlghted in red.

There’s very little hyperbole, and it’s been there for years that way. And if you don’t like the verbage then rewrite it. I just want it to be updated and accurate.

But I am not a Wikipedia editor and don’t know how to do all the rest, the references and such.

And if you are being so literal and in fear of IMDB then why is it listed as a reference for every other actor in the business?

WW