Talk:Joanne (album)

US Sales in 2016

According to Nielsen, Joanne sold 435,000 in 2016 (US only). "Her most recent album, Joanne, had over 435,000 sales in 2016" Source: http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2017/going-gaga-on-the-gridiron.html?cid=socSprinklr-Nielsen

Gleekunicorns (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 02:27, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually I have  Done it by adding the consumption sales. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 06:08, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Joshua Tillman / Father John Misty

Re: Joshua Tillman / Father John Misty and his involvement. There seems to be a discrepancy between the "Writing and recording" section and the "Personnel" section, no? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

"John Wayne" is not the new single!

Here is an article from Forbes that states "Million Reasons" is still the current single from Joanne.

• http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2017/02/09/lady-gaga-dropped-a-new-music-video-yesterday-but-its-not-a-single/#36078a4b50b8

Can someone add this on this article and JW's? GagaNutella^talk 22:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Tentatively, we do not know what the future holds. But yeah currently we should revert all these irritating users adding "John Wayne" to the articles. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 05:07, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Impact

What about to include an "Impact" section in the article? I did one on the Portuguese Wikipedia, with many journalists noting Gaga's music and image change with Joanne, as well the new artistic and personal approach she adopted for the album era and the return of the "vocalist era" "Million Reasons" brought — alongside many others songs. It's just a suggestion, but I think that would be useful. Music01 (talk) 14:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Absolute garbage what's present in the Portuguese Wikipedia in my opinion. Not to belittle your addition and idea, but the mere thought of this album having any kind of impact is laughable. Billboard only wrote one article about the vocalist era and that too was for "Million Reasons". That does not make this album impactful in any way. Coupled with the moderate commercial success even in this decaying market, I oppose any such addition. Her image change and musical direction change is already noted in the article, however did she actually give rise to a bevy of albums impersonating the country rock roots she displayed? Unlike The Fame/Monster eras where her sound itself gave rise to the dance-pop era and crafted the pop star imagery back, this my friend, is a flop in that respect. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 16:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok. I will keep the content in the Portuguese Wikipedia because, there, I think it's interesting to talk about the reception of new image and approach of the Joanne, but I agree with your conclusion; I wanted an opinion before thinking about to add or not the content here. Thanks, IndianBio. Music01 (talk) 17:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate the contribution, but I don't think so. Is an circumlocution and we're already mentioned this sound and style change during the all article. There is not any impact about this album, specially in sales and critics that are low of her previous albums. Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 19:31, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

The album has had impact. There are at least 5 articles that prove that. Look at Kesh, Miley, Harry, now Justin and others. More will follow this trend Joanne was at the forefront of. Commericial mainstream singers ‘stripping down’. Time will tell. But an IMPACT section needs adding. Riordanpett (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Image edit warring

Music01 and Sricsi, please don't edit war over image use within the article. Take the time to instead discuss here which ones are better to include and why. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:41, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

You are completely right. Will do so in the future. My only concern was not to use pictures of the same event (her tour performance) when we have illustrations of multiple events where she performed songs from the album. --Sricsi (talk) 21:44, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Joanne's Impact

This album's impact is undeniable. There are 6 different articles by 5 different magazines in which they are recognizing Joanne's impact on the current shift of the music.

First: Forbes in which Hugh McIntyre is saying: "Lady Gaga was one of the first artists currently helping usher in this new era with her latest album Joanne, which saw her put down the disco stick and pick up an acoustic guitar", "Since then, a number of superstars have decided to stick with full bands and guitars, and some of the most famous have been able to make it work, at least for a little while.", "Miley Cyrus’ new single “Malibu” takes the listener to the beach with a Modest Mouse, indie rock-styled pop tune, while former One Direction member Harry Styles went one step further and dove headfirst into light glam rock with his first solo album and its lead single “Sign Of The Times.”, "The latest star to jump on the bandwagon and ditch all things electronic for guitars and an easier sound is Kesha, who is mounting an incredible return to the mainstream after several years away.". Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2017/08/16/lady-gaga-miley-kesha-top-40-pop-has-gone-acoustic-but-is-it-going-well/#324fbdf94e7f

Second: Billboard's article by Andrew Unterberger: "Miley Cyrus' 'Malibu' & New Album: Will It Be Her Version of Lady Gaga's Joanne?". Then goes on to say: "If some of that language sounded familiar upon first reading, it might be because it's not all that different from the rhetoric espoused by another left-of-center pop star preceding her own voyage back to the middle." (a.k.a. Gaga) and "It seems that Cyrus' new music is taking her down a similar path in the post-Trump age". Link: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7800066/miley-cyrus-malibu-lady-gaga-joanne-centric-pop-stars

Third: Billboard again. Article by Gary Trust: "With 'Million Reasons,' Is Lady Gaga Bringing Back 'The Vocalist Era'?". Quotes: ""Reasons" as part of a bigger musical picture, given the song's booming vocal, punctuated by Gaga's "I bow down to pray" high notes out of the verses." and "I think we are entering a new era of traditional ballads and big vocals.". Link: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7744316/with-million-reasons-is-lady-gaga-bringing-back-the-vocalist-era

Fourth: The Atlantic featuring article by Spencer Kornhaber: "Like Gaga with last year’s Joanne, Kesha trades thumping electro for analogue instruments and genres that, fairly or not, have an easier time being perceived as “authentic”: rock and roll, country, folk." and "Also like Gaga, she tries to execute this turn while tamping down, but not altogether ditching, her previous persona." Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/kesha-rainbow-review-human-superhero/536355/

Fifth: Glamour with article by: Christopher Rosa: "Gaga toned down her look, her sound, everything.", "Her album that dropped a month later (Joanne) boasts this aesthetic too: It has exactly zero true-blue pop songs; she delivers raw vocals and soft acoustics throughout it. She wears a cowboy hat on the cover.". And then he listed Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus and Selena Gomez for toning down their looks. Keep in mind that Joanne was released before any of theirs work. Link: https://www.glamour.com/story/pop-stars-are-stripping-down-their-sounds-and-looks

Sixth: Odyssey by Melissa Engelman: "Did Miley Cyrus Copy Lady Gaga?" "Is she really now growing up, or has she strategically been the wild child to now reap the benefits? Either way, it is reminding me of another pop princess who is dear to my heart, Lady Gaga.", "Her last album "Joanne," while it tips its hat at the previous work she has done, is much more stripped down comparatively and has a country influence.", "What changed for Gaga, and how does this at all relate to Cyrus’ recent music?" and "However, the new song is very reminiscent of her Meet Miley Cyrus album, which leads me to believe that she was, in fact, taking a cue from the Mother Monster as a way to kick off her career apart from Hannah Montana." (Mother Monster = Lady Gaga). Link: https://www.theodysseyonline.com/did-miley-cyrus-copy-lady-gaga

These are 6 different examples of the impact Gaga's Joanne album has had in the last 10 months since it's release and I am sure there will be more as the time passes. I think Impact section is necessary addition.

P.S. Sales ≠ Impact. An album can have impact and influence on others even though it's not blockbuster. And Joanne is selling as much as any other pop album in this poor music industry climate. JoDash (talk) 02:15, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Wow thanks @JoDash: for this summary. Now the album's impact cannot exactly be ignored. Let me come up with something for the article. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 15:38, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Hey, can you give me an update on how this article is coming about? Thanks. JoDash (talk) 10:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Will take time. Please have patience. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:08, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Rolling Stone: "Cyrus had long been a fan of Labrinth's work, and beyond him and Howard, she admires Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith and Lady Gaga. The latter's most recent release, the country-infused Joanne, has served as her muse during the writing process album for her debut album in recent months." Link: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/noah-cyrus-on-what-miley-taught-her-emotional-debut-single-w455215 JoDash (talk) 13:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Brad Wete from Billboard named Lady Gaga's pink 'Joanne' hat "pop's most recognizable accessory of the year." Link: http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/year-in-music-2016/7616982/lady-gaga-joanne-hat-price JoDash (talk) 13:43, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

NEW: Vanity Fair's Josh Duboff writes: "In returning to his “roots,” the seemingly countryfied Timberlake recalls the feel of Gaga’s Joanne era (which, aesthetically, was most notable for the pink cowboy hat she wore on the album’s cover and in many of the promotional stops). Other pop stars—Miley Cyrus and Kesha among them—have recently pivoted from a more pop-focused sound to something rootsier." https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/01/justin-timberlake-man-of-the-woods-pivot-super-bowl JoDash (talk) 13:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

This needs adding to the page. The album has had a lot of impact, ushering in a new trend of a ‘stripped down’ sound. She was the first mainstream artist in recent years to do this. People misread it when I say that. They think I’m saying she was the first to ever do it. NO. I am saying she has kickstarted a recent trend, 2015 onwards. Riordanpett (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I saw an article recently saying “is this justin timeberlake’s ‘JOANNE’ era?”

Someone find it and add it Riordanpett (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Joanne is certified platinum in Brazil

Reference: https://www.facebook.com/umusicbrasil/photos/a.121491757870123.17691.118830248136274/1417392018280084/

X2franklop (talk) 20:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

 Not done.... at least not yet. It's best to wait for certification databases to add such listings to their site or at least publicly announce when something is certified. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:53, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

But that page is the official Facebook of Universal Music Brazil. The others pages of Joanne in different languages have the certification of Brazil.

X2franklop (talk) 23:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

My answer remains the same, and we should take such claims from record companies with a grain of salt as labels often embellish sales/streaming figures of their artists for promotional purposes. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

UPDATE JOANNE’S ALBUM CERTIFICATIONS

It was certified Platinum in Brazil 2 months after it was released. Why isn’t this on the Wikipedia page? That was well over a year ago! It’s devaluing the successes of the album.

JOANNE IS PLATINUM IN BRAZIL. ADD IT

UK Sales

According to Official Charts UK, Joanne sold 130,000 in UK. "Joanne - Gaga's fifth studio record - peaked at Number 3 on the Official Albums Chart in October 2016. The collection has been certified Gold in the UK with sales of 130,000. " Source: http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/lady-gagas-joanne-uk-arena-tour-support-announced__21510/

X2franklop (talk) 21:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Now implemented. Thank you for the updated link! Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Year-end charts Spain

Joanne is #79 in the Spanish Albums (2017) and #97 in the Spanish Streaming Album (2017). Source: file:///C:/Users/usuario/Downloads/Top%20100%20ALBUMES%20(press)%20ANUAL%202017%20(1).pdf and file:///C:/Users/usuario/Downloads/Top%20100%20STREAMING%20ALBUMES%20(press)%20ANUAL%202017%20(1).pdf. Promusicae page http://www.promusicae.es/estaticos/view/21-listas-anuales X2franklop (talk) 22:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)