Talk:LGBT rights in India

Perhaps not the most encyclopaedic style

I'd just like to raise that parts of this article is written as someone's personal opinion - in particular:

After the defeat of Kali and Munni, three years later we saw Kamla Jaan run and win the position of the mayor of Katni in MP. Then there was Shabnam Mausi, who was elected to the Legislative Assembly in 2002 as well. In the huge political machinery, Heera won a seat at the city council of Jabalpur, Meera won a similar position in Sehora, and so did Gulshan in Bina. In December 2000, Asha Devi became the mayor of Gorakhpur, and Kallu Kinnar was elected to the city council in Varanasi. I am sure there are many more low level, inconspicuous bureaucratic positions that were held by the hijras but did not whip up any excitement for the media — not to mention the cases where they were probably threatened, bullied and killed to prevent them from running for seats. This brings us to the current elections, which has Mangesh Bharat Khandye running for the Thane Lok Sabha seat.

Further, I think some thought needs to be put into whether 'transgender' is the appropriate word in many cases. It seems to often be used simply as a synonym for Hijra, which is by no means accurate. However, I have noticed many Indians conflating the two terms. Hijras are a third gender, and while they come under the transgender overarching category by some definitions, are by no means the same thing. All fish are vertebrates, but that doesn't mean you can use the word 'vertebrates' when you mean 'fish'!--89.197.1.50 (talk) 14:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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November 2017: Editing dispute

User:144.121.69.94 (talk) we can open a dialogue here as to why you believe the information on this article needs to be changed. Removing and changing large sections of content without properly explaining why is confusing and we have to make sure all points of view are presented. Wikipedia has a strict Neutral Point of View guideline DeniedClub^{❯❯❯ talk?} 23:22, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit dispute

Please tell me why the info about the one illegal same sex marriage should be included in the info. Doesn't it confuse the point that it's illegal? I'm new and trying to learn why this would be important information since India banned it Russianvodka (talk) 21:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I assume you are the rotating IP's? See WP:BRD & WP:EW. You were bold, then you were reverted. Now the onus is on you to discuss these proposed changes instead of reverting again. Sro23 (talk) 21:42, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

No this is one of my first edits. Now as for the edit same-sex marriages are illegal in India. If we post that there was one "successful" same-sex marriage which technically wasn't really recognized by the government of India it confuses the point that people of the same sex can't marry and also contradicts the rest of the page saying that it's banned. Also doesn't that make it irrelevant? Russianvodka (talk) 21:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I completely disagree. It does not confuse the point of same-sex marriage as it is strictly written that same-sex unions are still illegal. The information you are removing is relevant because any governmental recognition, even if not 'officially', is a victory for LGBT rights as a whole in India. The fact that any same-sex union was, even in the most minimal sense, allowed to proceed in India sets a precedent that could be used in future debates about same-sex union in India. It also helps show the development of India's marriage equality. The fact that the government of India even slightly tolerates same-sex is important, once again, to LGBT rights as a whole in India.

Also it is important that if you are the person who believes same-sex progress needs to be removed from this article, then you need to prove why before removing it. The burden of proof is not on other editors to tell you why something should stay, the burden of proof is on you to tell us why it should be removed. Considering the edits made, you are the only one so far with a controversial opinion of the content of the article, and multiple editors have reverted your changes, meaning that the consensus of your fellow editors is that the content should stay. We can have a discussion here and gather consensus on the topic, before we make any edits to the current article as it is. Anyone is free to add their input (: DeniedClub^{❯❯❯ talk?} 00:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I read your original wording and will remind you that you are breaking WP:Civil and WP:PA so watch your tone and no attacking please. As for your message I will not revert it but if others give their opinions I will take a look at their commments as well. If there is a consensus one way or another we can see what will be done next depending on what others say.Russianvodka (talk) 01:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

You are right, my original wording was a bit harsh and I apologize for that. Thank you for allowing a discussion on this. We can allow time for more opinions. We have both made our positions pretty clear but of course feel free to add on whenever you want.

By the way, I see that you are new, and just a tip is you can add a colon before your replies on talk pages to help format the replies with indents. Just add a colon for each reply. (eg. :Reply1, ::Reply2, :::Reply3) DeniedClub^{❯❯❯ talk?} 01:52, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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IP sockpuppet using Glype proxy mangling characters

Will somebody please block this IP 2606:5680:1000::6521:960 using a PHP proxy script which mangles characters. RajuChutiya (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Jammu and Kashmir

What about legal situation in Jammu and Kashmir state as there is a different law than that in the rest of India? Jammu and Kashmir State Ranbir Penal Code or RPC is a criminal code applicable in Jammu and Kashmir. Indian Penal Code is not applicable here under Article 370 of the Indian constitution.