Talk:Survivor: Ghost Island

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The content of this article is currently being disputed. Please see Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Survivor:_Ghost_Island for more info. 97.47.67.8 (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

when to make page

If you have not edited pages concerning the time to make a new article on the upcoming survivor season, it is always precedent no matter what to wait until CBS OFFICIALLY announces the season at the reunion show of the previous season. In addition, the cast is added a month later, when CBS releases the cast and their biographies. Under no circumstance, has Survivor editors ever used other "sources" rather than CBS, so please do not add information including the cast, and tribe designations before the previous season has not even finished airing nor CBS releasing any information. VietPride10 (talk) 00:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Again, CBS isn't the only source for survivor and other TV show info. Why rely on only one source when you can find many other sources for this info on the web. Have you even tried a search engine like google or yahoo before your attempts at blanking the Survivor: Ghost Island article ?? 100.37.125.19 (talk) 02:56, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok, then give a reliable source to the tribe designations, and also provide evidence on how the other sources are credible. Please read up on source rules before providing questionable sources. Also, I have explained multiple times it is PRECEDENT to wait for CBS to official release the season information. It has never been changed whatsoever.VietPride10 (talk) 03:20, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Just because you prefer to wait for the finale doesn't mean someone else can't write the article. Maybe you were using the CBS source thing because you weren't happy someone else submitted the information before you did. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 04:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

You fail to understand the issue here, I believe the castaways are correct, but we still do not have bios out to confirm their tribe colors and designations, their hometown, or age. Also, the table is incorrectly formated. I have throughly explained that there is a precedent (which you don't seem to get) that the cast is only posted when CBS releases the cast themselves. VietPride10 (talk) 04:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

If you agree about the castaways, then there is no need to keep removing the list. The tribe colors and bios can be added as more info is added. Now the page is read-only for a few days so we can discuss what needs to be fixed. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Give me a source that says the contestants are split by gender then and in tribe designations "Yiga and "Gerudo". "Google" that and there is no information about it. There is simply no information supporting that assertion. Also there is no information on tribe colors, ages, or hometowns. There is also a "total votes" column which has never been used. You don't seem to know how to format Survivor contestant tables whatsoever.... There is no contestant named "Sarah Brown." The article shows various errors that need to be fixed but you seem to ignore it and want to edit it back your way without even considering for a moment the errors associated with the contestant table and the article in general. VietPride10 (talk) 13:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

The info can be corrected as more information appears from the sources. The only things we know now are the names of the castaways. The tribe names are placeholder (so the table doesn't appear messed up). The finale is prolly in 2 weeks or less so the tribe names will likely be revealed then. The total vote column is used on older pages and can be removed. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 07:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

“The tribe names are a placeholder”, you can not simply add false or unsourced information and call it a placeholder, to “wait for the finale”, which is my whole point in the first place. One of the most basic rules of editing Wikipedia is to make sure all the information is sourced (from reliable sources) which tribe designations and tribe names are not. Also, you fail to understand my point repeatedly that there is a PRECEDENT in survivor articles that has never been broken to Always wait for CBS to officially release the cast before we edit the article. Look back at the edit histories of all the recent survivor articles, and you’ll see that the cast has never been put on the Wikipedia page before CBS announced even if the cast is spoiled in advance. VietPride10 (talk) 16:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Just because all the recent survivor articles were created right after the airing of the finale doesn't mean the article can't be written before that. Yes it might be the first time, but not everyone prefers to wait until then. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 12:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

You can't simply change a precedent because "not everyone prefers to wait until then." VietPride10 (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Isn't strange that only you've been sticking to this so-called "precident"? Nobody else has disputed the content. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 17:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

It's because this page is only found through the name, it is not linked elsewhere. You can bring in a third account to see the dispute if you want, it has always been a precedent. VietPride10 (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Have you tried that instead of persistently removing disputed content? 100.37.125.19 (talk) 17:52, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

That is a another issue, the contestants that you keep adding are not sourced. Do not add unsourced contestant information to the page. VietPride10 (talk) 17:54, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

True Dork Times and Inside Survivor, which are the only references for the article, are not Reliable Sources. 74thClarkBarHG (talk) 09:11, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request :

The sources given for this article are not reliable sources. The insidesurvivor.com source says clearly "We can reveal that the rumored title for Survivor Season 36 will be Survivor: Ghost Island", meaning that there is no verifiable source for the content, or even the name of this article. However, it is inappropriate to simply redirect it if there is opposition, and there is no point in edit-warring over it, so the right place for this discussion is at AFD. Bradv 14:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

DO NOT EDIT THE PAGE WHILE IN MIDDLE OF DISAGREEMENT.

do not constantly revert the page back with no official sources on the cast list or the tribe designations. VietPride10 (talk) 02:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@VietPride10: it's better to talk about the article than to persistently keep removing it on the grounds that CBS is the only source you can use to write a Survivor article. You keep trying to remove the article and I keep putting it back. The back and forth wheel war seems to get us nowhere. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

VietPride10 and IP (which I can't ping): I've protected the page for 3 days. Please discuss it here during those three days and try to find a consensus. If need be, invite (without canvassing) other users. Cheers, Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I hope making the page read-only doesn't cause an edit-war on the talk page, but I've said all-along it's better to discuss the disputed content rather than edit-war. 100.37.125.19 (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Delete the cast until CBS announces it.

This article oughta be deleted. But there is no point in doing an AFD which is 7 days, and the article would be acceptable in about 10 so. I do agree with VietPride10, that the cast should be removed until it is announced by CBS. This article violates several policies so. DEJ88DP10 (talk) 14:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, there is currently a dispute resolution, and you can include your opinion if you want. VietPride10 (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

The cast is officially announced. http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/31/survivor-ghost-island-cast-twist-revealed/ ApprenticeFan work 00:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Ranking

Why is the ranking based on total viewers instead of adults 18-49 demo? The latter is the most important one.