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:Education in Germany is not tricky but very varied ;). E.g. I, as a german, don't know a single school where you learn English at the 5th grade, Latin at the 6th Grade and at the 10th grade French. All schools I know start foreign languages at 5th, 7th and sometimes 9th grade with Latin being very rare these days. --[[User:Echosmoke|Echosmoke]] ([[User talk:Echosmoke|talk]]) 21:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:Education in Germany is not tricky but very varied ;). E.g. I, as a german, don't know a single school where you learn English at the 5th grade, Latin at the 6th Grade and at the 10th grade French. All schools I know start foreign languages at 5th, 7th and sometimes 9th grade with Latin being very rare these days. --[[User:Echosmoke|Echosmoke]] ([[User talk:Echosmoke|talk]]) 21:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:I only know the situation in Bavaria :) --[[Special:Contributions/188.194.223.123|188.194.223.123]] ([[User talk:188.194.223.123|talk]]) 00:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
:I only know the situation in Bavaria :) --[[Special:Contributions/188.194.223.123|188.194.223.123]] ([[User talk:188.194.223.123|talk]]) 00:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

::Please don't mix the general term first foreign language with the legal term. Pupils can start with English in 3rd grade and then attend Latin as "first foreign language" (legal term) from 5th grade!


== 10a/10b ==
== 10a/10b ==

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The passage on foreign language education is unclear

English is compulsory throughout the state in secondary schools, but it is not always the first foreign language; pupils at Gymnasium are often required to learn Latin as their first foreign language. In some states, foreign language education starts in the Grundschule (primary school). For example, in North Rhine-Westphalia, English is started in the third year; Brandenburg starts with either English or Polish, and Baden-Württemberg starts English in the first year.

I'm a bit unclear on the sentence starting "For example,". Convention requires this to offer examples related to the immediately preceding sentence (foreign language education in Grundschule (primary or elementary school)), but after reading it I started wondering whether these were actually examples relating to the preceding sentence (i.e. English not always being the first foreign language). Ricklaman (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think "third year" and "first year" (which are part of primary school) indicate that the conventional meaning is intended (since the preceding sentence refers to secondary school), but that might not be obvious to the average reader. --Boson (talk) 00:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Gymnasiasten (german word for pupils at Gymnasium) learn English at the 5th grade, Latin at the 6th Grade. Sometimes they learning at the 10th grade French too. In the Grundschule pupils learn playfully basics like "My name is xxx" and the spelling. Education in Germany is tricky, in parts the education winnows from school to school so it's difficult to generalize it. --188.194.48.88 (talk) 03:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Miliko Discussion[reply]
Education in Germany is not tricky but very varied ;). E.g. I, as a german, don't know a single school where you learn English at the 5th grade, Latin at the 6th Grade and at the 10th grade French. All schools I know start foreign languages at 5th, 7th and sometimes 9th grade with Latin being very rare these days. --Echosmoke (talk) 21:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I only know the situation in Bavaria :) --188.194.223.123 (talk) 00:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't mix the general term first foreign language with the legal term. Pupils can start with English in 3rd grade and then attend Latin as "first foreign language" (legal term) from 5th grade!

10a/10b

"There are two types of grade 10: one is the higher level called type 10b and the lower level is called type 10a; only the higher level type 10b can lead to the Realschule and this finishes with the final examination Mittlere Reife after grade 10b." That's false. In Hauptschule are 2 branches: the normal branch and the M-Zweig branch (Mittlere Reife Zug). It starts after Grade 6 (7 - 10) On M-Zweig at the 10th grade Realschul subject material is educated, from 7-9 it's the same like Hauptschule. Reason: career changer are to be abled to change. I think thats the meaning of this sentences. Sometimes the Realschulabschluss made on Hauptschule will not be accepted from employers. --188.194.48.88 (talk) 03:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Miliko - Discussion where is that? never heard of that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.56.161 (talk) 22:11, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary Education Organisation ... Universities?

The School Organization subsection in the Secondary Education section lists facts that apply to secondary education (partially to primary education, as well) -- and among the last few list items, suddenly states facts about universities, such as "Larger universities often have a local student-run radio station, however." This probably belongs into the tertiary education section. Possibly, the whole school organization subsection should either be split/duplicated, so there's such a section for each primary, secondary and tertiary education, or the whole subsection should be moved so it's not associated with either of these education stages any more.

In general, schools found in primary and secondary education probably are very much alike in many aspects, while both are very different from universities. Fachhochschule and Berufsakademie etc. are somewhere in between. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.69.215.56 (talk) 07:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PISA updates needed

Hi, the section on international comparison is rather outdated, as the German scores at PISA and other studies improved considerably since 2003/06. Someone should update that. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 08:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Student visa - possible extensions

Hi, I created the following section for Immigration to Germany. I'm sure we can implement some information here, but as there already is some of the information included, let's have a look at what makes sense. Cheers! -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Student visa

In Germany, there are student applicant visas and student visas. The former can be applied for when the admission to a university is not yet completed, and lasts for three months, which can be extended up to six months. When a student visa is granted, the application for an extended residence permit should follow at the respective university office. This is relevant for non-EU citizens and all students who intend to stay longer than 90 days.[1][2]

In general, public German universities don't charge tuition fees. This usually also applies to foreign students.[3] The German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) provides support for international students and academic cooperation in Germany.

After graduating, citizens of the EU or the European Economic Area (EEA) have free access to the German job market. Graduates from other countries can extend their residence permit for up to 18 months to look for employment. While many employers prefer proper German-language skills, there is also a great variety of English-language and globalised jobs in Germany, especially in multinational companies, many startups and in research fields.[4][5] According to a study of the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees (BAMF), around 54 percent of foreign students in Germany decide to stay after graduation.[6]

Refs
  1. ^ "Student visas in Germany". Study in Germany - Land of Ideas. German Academic Exchange Service & Ministry of Education and Research. Retrieved 4 June 2015.
  2. ^ Study in Germany Guide by Mawista
  3. ^ Strasser, Franz. "How US students get a university degree for free in Germany". BBC. Retrieved 4 June 2015.
  4. ^ Toytown Germany - English-language and global jobs in Germany
  5. ^ "Embarking on your career after studying". German Academic Exchange Service DAAD. Retrieved 4 June 2015.
  6. ^ "BAMF's Graduates Study: Every second foreign student stays in Germany after graduation". Make it in Germany. German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy. 20 February 2015. Retrieved 4 June 2015.

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So i have to agree on most topics here and the structure of the Education system in Germany is more or less complete and much better months ago. Thanks to all those wiki-members or editors.

But we have a small problem with the translation. Some of the words and concepts of the german school system are not to translate into the English language. And of course there are several differences between the british and german school system. If some was an exchange student in Germany or vice versa knows that so many suggestions here are contraproductive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.90.9.62 (talk) 08:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Free higher education?

Are you kidding? The 60 euros mentioned go directly to the state, some other 100 euros to the university and this does not include those high living costs around popular cities that don't even have enough space for local inhabitants, public transport and using the cafeteria, which adds some more 600 euros per month. --2.245.116.133 (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The article is quite outdated, it fails to show the misery of the reforms(not saying that the reforms are bad but the federalistic nature of having over 16 different schools is..) what could be mentioned is a Stadtteilschule/regionalschule/whatever secondary school is called in other states) in most states except the south different cutoff dates(in NRW kids go to school at 5 years old) mandatory preschool for kids not meeting language/behaviour marks by 4.5 yo (for example in Hamburg) Different lengths of primary school g8/g9 in different states Gebundene Ganztagsschulen vs offene Ganztagsschule (with the difference that former have lessons spread through out the day vs the OGS which are glorfied daycares (only classes in the morning and activities/homework in the afternoon). Playschool(kita and kiga) being mixed age (1=3, 3-6 and 1-6) different fees(like in Hamburg where 5 hours/day are free to anyone with a 3+ year old child) 77.188.56.161 (talk) 22:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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