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:Your request (if it is a request) is incomprehensible and therefore cannot be carried out. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
:Your request (if it is a request) is incomprehensible and therefore cannot be carried out. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

What are you mad? What's the point of this article? To help people kill themselves? Do you also have articles on how to get away with murdee, become the dictator of the world, commit genocide, sell illegal drugs? I'm shocked

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Disclaimers for Sensitive Articles

Last week, I learned more information about the recent plane crash in Germany. The pilot had a history of mental health problems along with suicidal tendencies, in which he looked up ways of committing suicide and then proceeded with the plane crash method. In response, I feel there should be a disclaimer for this article and other articles containing sensitive content.--OfficerAPC (talk) 17:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant previous discussions
-- GB fan 17:53, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See also Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 20:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There are lots of reasons to put warnings on all our articles. We should resist this temptation. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We should be following the example set by Google. They are providing contact information to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Bus stop (talk) 20:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Read Wikipedia:No_disclaimers_in_articles. It is all explained quite well. Wikipedia presents objective information with a neutural point of view. Shabidoo | Talk 16:07, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2016

The article does not differentiate suicide and euthanasia. Please fix. Exit International and Dignatas are euthanasia sites, not suicide, and the nitrogen exit bag does not produce hypercapnia, there is no panic when the exit bag is used with an inert gas. Reference: Dying with Dignity, Dignatas.

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A warning is urgently needed

It is the collective Wiki community's responsibility to minimize the risk that this page enables someone's self-harm. There is a lot of debate on this page about the importance of free information, but I do not understand why adding a warning would detract. While it is outside the bounds of usual wiki standards to include subjective information, gravity of this topic and the degree to which this page enables violence warrants an exception. When I search suicide on Google, I get this message: "You're not alone. Confidential help is available for free. National Suicide Prevention Lifeline Call 1-800-273-8255 Available 24 hours everyday"

Can we please add that on here? Even if one person's behavior is altered by seeing this message, we will have saved a life. This page is something that many suicide contemplators will come across. We have a responsibility to lead them away from going through with the action, and not towards it.

I accidentally came across this article (it was a suggested article from google, while i was searching something else) and horrified that this type of article existed on Wikipedia. This is not a neutral article as is--it is one that provides "how-to" information on self-harm, and it must be amended.Hw13579 (talk)anonymous wiki user [I created an account just to express this concern] —Preceding undated comment added 01:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As you correctly point out, when someone searches on google - which is what pretty much the whole world does when they want to find information - it provides access to suicide prevention information. Google isn't an encyclopedia, and they manage their own content presentation, and it's awesome that they do that when you search on suicide.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It presents information to readers, and it does not make value judgements as to _whether_ to provide information - it is only concerned with the accuracy of information presented and whether the accuracy is reliable as found from _other sources_. There is *no* original content in this article that cannot be found elsewhere on the net, with merely the slightest effort (also thanks to google). It is not a how-to, nor is the information in this article presented as a how-to. It describes a set of human behaviors. There are entries on Wikipedia for matters far more horrendous than suicide methods, but no warnings are presented, because that's not what encyclopedias exist for. An encyclopedia does not offer guidance to readers on what they should or should not do (nor what they may or may not do, what they can or cannot do). The reader is responsible for their decisions. Wikipedia does not provide encouragement or discouragement - it presents information, period.
I realize and appreciate that you mean well, but your concern - and effort - is misplaced. Volunteer at a suicide prevention hotline if you want to save lives from suicide. You will accomplish far more than trying to force exceptions upon what is intended to be an unbiased source of information, disconnected from moral judgements of the editors. Anastrophe (talk) 06:43, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This encyclopedia (and ideally all of them) provides information from reliable sources as objectively (hopefully) as possible. It doesn't give disclaimers or warnings or take a stance on difficult or polemical issues of culture, politics, bodily autonomy, religion etc. It is unfiltered information and it is extremely important that people, everywhere, has access to this information without barriers or disclaimers or a particular lense through which to read the article or content policing or anything of the sort. Keep in mind that for some readers wikipedia is one of the only places the can find objective information on many topics. You'll note that there are no warnings or disclaimers of this kind on any pages throughout all of wikipedia. I'd personally feel more comfortable if there were a warning on this article (from my own perspective/ideology) but doing so would impose my views (moral/cultural) onto an article that is meant to provide objective information. So I'm sorry, as you'll note in the long history of this talk page, it's been decided multiple times that we won't place a warning. The last time we had this discussion I placed a link to "suicide prevention" in the "see also" section...which is about as much as can be done per suicide-prevention-advocacy...without breaking a major pillar of wikipedia. I understand your concern...I'd recommend that you consider trying to improve the "suicide prevention" article per content, sources etc. Shabidoo | Talk 02:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Google knows were you are from and therefore can tell you the correct number to call. We cannot. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:03, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New content

Thanks User:Everymorning for the edits, new content and studies cited. Greatly improved the sections covered by your contributions! Shabidoo | Talk 22:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject: Firearms; Paragraph 3, Sentence 5: “…circulation…suicide…” misspelled.

Subject: Firearms; Paragraph 3, Sentence 5: “…suicide…” misspelled as “…suicice…” and “…circulation…” misspelled as “…circulaton…”

full context: “The United States has both the highest number of suicides and firearms in _circulaton_ in a developed country and when gun ownership rises so too does _suicice_ involving the use of a firearm.[31]” — Preceding unsigned comment added by WTF Actual (talk • contribs) 22:19, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

a form missing

All these forms one thing in common, ending a life. One from of ending a life is missing; retire. A person wants to end their life and are willing to do it. A person has spent their life trying to end it and this is the last thing to do, nothing after retirement, death. Feeling that the hope of life is gone is retirement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeremyrunt (talk • contribs) 15:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While this may be the case per the motives of a limited number of old age suicides, this article is about methods of suicide, not motives. Shabidoo | Talk 22:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should be deleted

This encourages people to take kill themselves, the point of Wikipedia is to provide helpful, useful information not to tell them to commit suicide, so blame's on Wikipedia for 20% of the world's deaths!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.177.210 (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Our readers are not mindless infants who need to be protected or shielded from knowledge because of what they might do with it. We don't play kindergarten teacher and we don't censor objective, verifiable, reliable information presented in a neutral point of view...just because it makes some people uncomfortable or because they may use that information to make possibly questionable decisions. You have fundamentally misunderstood the "point" of wikipedia. Check out the five pillars of this project: WP:PILLARS Shabidoo | Talk 00:01, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The request is strangely worded (and misplaced), Shabidoo; but your response seems odd. First, I don't know why you are bringing up "mindless infants". Secondly, I checked out the five pillars and was struck by the possible relevance here of the fifth. -- Hoary (talk) 12:52, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Readers are not mindless infants. They can read the material provided and make their own conclusions about the topic and do what they want with it. Our role is not to protect people but to provide well sourced reliable information. We aren't kindergarten teachers censoring info deemed dangerous to the vulnerable.
As for the 5th pillar, I'm not at all sure what the 5th pillar has to do with censoring information. You ignore the rules to if they get in the way of making an article better. Not to align the article with an ideology or advocacy nor to deprive information from readers.Shabidoo | Talk 22:25, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On "mindless infants" (again!), "kindergarten teachers", and "an ideology or advocacy", Shabidoo, please see Straw man. Anyway, IP-who-posted-the-question, requests for deletion from Wikipedia are commonplace. They're ineffective if made on the article's talk page. If you want to have an article such as this one deleted, this is what you have to do. Note that the process is rather complex, that it requires persuasive reasoning and (normally) citation of policy, that for this article the process has been tried eight times already (here's the eighth), and that a ninth attempt will undoubtedly fail unless it cites facts and factors that haven't already been cited or is hugely more persuasive than any of the preceding eight. (Don't confuse "persuasive" with "impassioned": any sign of passion is likely to doom the attempt.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hory perhaps you should refer to the article Metaphor, might help you figure all this out. Shabidoo | Talk 23:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Very possibly, Shabidoo, I am having trouble figuring all this out, whether because of incompetence in English, senility, retardation, or something else. In the meantime, rather than "metaphor", I'd venture "auxesis". -- Hoary (talk) 04:06, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't we include consequences for ALL of the methods if someone fails to commit suicide as well as documented examples? OfficerAPC (talk) 22:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018

Yes i want to 62.97.245.133 (talk) 11:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your request (if it is a request) is incomprehensible and therefore cannot be carried out. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What are you mad? What's the point of this article? To help people kill themselves? Do you also have articles on how to get away with murdee, become the dictator of the world, commit genocide, sell illegal drugs? I'm shocked

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