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RFC about YIBNA

Talk:Mausoleum_of_Abu_Huraira#RfC_about_Yibna

My post at WP:VPM (village pump, mscellaneous)

See my post AT VWP:VPM: [1]. Best wishes to all. -DePiep (talk)

Mosques in Jerusalem - sources?

There are very few articles on Jerusalem's Islamic buildings. List of mosques in Jerusalem is full of red links, most articles in the Arabic wikipedia list at template ar:قالب:البلدة القديمة في القدس have no English version, and numerous mosques with photos at commons:Category:Mosques in Jerusalem have no English article. The external website also Madain has a good list. Many of these represent Jerusalem's oldest surviving buildings and represent the different architectural phases in the city's development.

I spent some time trying to build articles on a couple of these, Ad-Disi mosque and Sidna Omar mosque, both significant landmarks with large minarets and numerous photos on commons. But I gave up after being unable to find good quality English WP:RS describing them.

Can anyone point me to sources which describe any these buildings?

Onceinawhile (talk) 19:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Onceinawhile Yeah, ...and the situation isn't better for Hebron...I just discovered that the Sheikh Ali al-Bakka Mosque had its own article in ar.wp...with its own wikidata page. Anyway, the Hebron area is covered by the Sharon, 2013 book, alas,

• Sharon, Moshe (2016). Corpus Inscriptionum Arabicarum Palaestinae, J (I). Vol. 6. BRILL. ISBN 90-04-32479-8.

covers everything, except Jerusalem. That was because Jerusalem was covered by Max van Berchem. I have linked his archive.org books to the Berchem article, but I haven't started "mining" the sources yet. (Leo Aryeh Mayer Saracenic Heraldry: A Survey also have loads of info...freely available) Huldra (talk) 23:55, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I took a quick look at the SWP Jerusalem book, that is:

• Warren, Charles; Conder, Claude Reignier (1884). The Survey of Western Palestine: Jerusalem. London: Committee of the Palestine Exploration Fund.

...I found precisely zero info on mosques. However, this lady:

Islamic Piety in Medieval Syria: Mosques, Cemeteries and Sermons under the Zangids and Ayyūbids (1146–1260) By DANIELLA TALMON-HELLER

...is far more interesting, alas, from the little I have read so far it is more about religious experience, not so much about the physical remains. Interesting as background reading, though! Huldra (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

archnet.org has some info (click on "sites"), Huldra (talk) 20:22, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Huldra. This is superb, thank you. Berchem and Mayer look very useful. I looked at the archnet links; for most relevant mosques they source to: Burgoyne, Michel Hamilton (1987). Mamluk Jerusalem. British School of Archaeology in Jerusalem by World of Islam Festival Trust. ISBN 978-0-905035-33-8.

Onceinawhile (talk) 20:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

The least expensive version I could find (on abebooks) of the Burgoyne book, cost US$ 199.00 :( Huldra (talk) 21:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Another source used (eg for Madrasa al-Mawardiyya), is the 2 volume Ottoman Jerusalem: The Living City, 1517-1917, published in year 2000. No copies on amazon, the only one on abebooks is US$ 757.12. Sigh. User:Zero0000...these books wouldn't happen to be in a library close to you, would they? Huldra (talk) 21:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Great point Huldra, thank you. I have both volumes of this book. Bought them many years ago. Knew they’d come in handy one day! Onceinawhile (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The Preface of the Ottoman Jerusalem volumes states that it is a sequel to Burgoyne’s Mamluk Jeruslem (note the same publishers). Onceinawhile (talk) 22:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't have easy access to either of these. I can get read but not copy access to Burgoyne and I seem to have about 300 pages from Auld (which I'll send). Zero^talk 01:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Although this site has nothing to do with mosques, it does mention the public drinking fountains (Arabic: sabil) that were built in Jerusalem during the Ottoman period. You might have need for this: Ottoman Sabils of Jerusalem. Enjoy! Davidbena (talk) 04:44, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:Davidbena, excellent source! Some of these definitely needs their own article....eg Sabil al Nazir has its own commons cat, called Sabil Al-Haram. (I helped write Sabil Abu Nabbut years ago...fun times..) Also, that paper gives another potentially interesting source: Mehmet Tutuncu: Turkish Jerusalem, (1516-1917). Ottoman inscriptions from Jerusalem and other Palestinian cities. Does anyone have that book? Huldra (talk) 22:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Update the map in "Israel–Gaza barrier"

The map shown in the Israel–Gaza barrier article is from 2009. An updated one from 2012 is available that's much more detailed.

old map (2009)

new map (2012)

-- 95.90.216.153 (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

User:95.90.216.153 Agreed, and I have updated it. Thank you for noting this! Huldra (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Egyptian numbers

Various articles provide a supposed Egyptian number of (oddly specific) 270,245 or even 300,000, eg. Palestinian diaspora and Palestinians in Egypt – without a source. Google doesn't really turn up anything, and the main Palestinians article gives 70,000. So… rather incoherent.

-- 95.90.223.21 (talk) 01:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, a lot of the countries on the Palestinian page's infobox link to the Yemeni page rather their respective country's. The actual one for Egypt now gives a figure of 73,000. -- 95.90.223.21 (talk) 01:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for Comment - Including China's stance

Please join the discussion and give your needed opinion on whether to include China's stance in the article Hamas. Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 20:00, 4 September 2018 (UTC)