Talk:Bed bug

Any studies on bed bug saliva and historic records of interaction ?

I see a lack of information regarding composition and effects of bed bug saliva (and its neurological effects and maybe epigenetic human responses to the interaction). There is also a lack on how humans have historically dealt with infestations, it should be believed that some techniques for eradications/suppression may be lost/missing, especially those before the rise of modern chemicals use by humans. Its not conceivable that relocation of habitation by humans was an catch all at least from the late 17 century on. 109.49.141.100 (talk) 13:59, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Celcius or Fahrenheit

The section on management seems to have different temperature scales in different sentences, but it is sometimes unclear which is which. " An hour at a temperature of 45 °C (113 °F) or over, or two hours at less than −17 °C (1 °F) kills them.[57] This may include a domestic clothes drier for fabric or a commercial steamer. Bed bugs and their eggs will die on contact when exposed to surface temperatures above 180 degrees and a steamer can reach well above 230 degrees.[60][16]"

This may need to be cleared up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.35.231.162 (talk) 04:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

"Bed bugs are not known to transmit any pathogens as disease vectors. "

This part of the article needs correction or specification, as some species have been proven to transmit Chagas disease.

reference:

https://blogs.agu.org/sciencecommunication/2018/07/16/good-morning-bed-bugs-left-you-chagas-disease/

"Research has shown that bed bugs are carriers of Trypanosoma cruzi (also known as T.cruzi). "

which references research like this primary article:

Rhttps://www.ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.14-0483

please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:440C:1082:2600:3953:780C:1E73:A5E7 (talk) 00:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Transfer of disease to mice not humans. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 18 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: Reverted to status quo ante, procedural close. See my comment below. No such user (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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Bed bug (insect) → Bed bug – Undiscussed move from a long-standing name, no other article with the same title, WP:COMMONNAME applies Brandmeister^talk 22:26, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Sam Sailor 22:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• Ping Doc James for comment. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 22:47, 18 October 2018 (UTC) — @Frayae: ... just in case he did not see Special:Diff/864504012/864707183? :) Sam Sailor 23:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC) I didn't see that, he definitely knows now. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 23:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose The term Bed bug is used equally to refer to bed bug infestations and the bed bug (insect). So a disambig makes sense. Stipulation that the article about the insect is about the insect will keep that article from filling full of none insect related stuff. If one looks at a google search for the term nearly all pages are mainly about the infestation with these bugs. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• oppose agree w/ Doc James comment search for the term nearly all pages are mainly about the infestation--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support reversion of this recent undiscussed move per WP:OVERPRECISION and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC [1]. A bed bug is an insect. A bed bug infestation is an infestation of those insects. A bed bug infestation is not a bed bug and the article about it would not be titled "bed bug". If anything, the bed bug article could be viewed as a broad concept article, since it has a section "Infestation" with a "main article" link to bed bug infestation. Sending anyone searching for "bed bug" to a dab page is not helpful. (And as a matter of procedure, as a contested undiscussed move, this should have been automatically returned its stable title before this proposal was opened.) Station1 (talk) 04:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support, this isn't how disambiguation is supposed to work. Considering that this article title was stable for 14 years then I don't see the need for an RM, just revert it. —Xezbeth (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support. The disambig is redundant since the infestation is a daughter article of the original bed bug page.

That being said, I would prefer to see the two pages merged someday since infestation pages have a tendency to have major redundancies that can usually be handled fine under one article. Not to mention that the human relation aspect is what usually drives significant content for most larger insect articles, so of course searches are going to talk about infestations primarily. That's for down the road though. Kingofaces43 (talk) 06:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Strong support Per WP:DABCONCEPT the Bed bug infestation is a sub article. The other 3 topics are minor and appear to be "Bedbug" rather than "Bed bug" anyway, of which Bedbugs (album) is the only full match so I'd support keeping "Bedbug" redirecting to the insect to and maybe moving the DAB to Bedbug (disambiguation). Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support. And remind that no consensus means it gets moved back to what was before. Hyperbolick (talk) 12:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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• Comment I reverted the undiscussed move before seeing that this RM was open. Nonetheless, I think that the move overstepped being WP:BOLD far into "reckless" territory, leaving hundreds of incoming links to dab page for other people to sort out. Now that I saw that the RM is headed in the same direction, I'm inclined to procedurally close it and leave the onus of changing status quo to its challengers. I tend to agree with DABCONCEPT point that the infestation is a sub-article of the bug page, and the links that are meant for the infestation should be retargeted there, rather than inventing a dab page where there's nothing ambiguous. No such user (talk) 13:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposal

Having reverted to status quo ante, I think that Doc James has a point that anyone searching for, or linking to, Bed bug, has in mind more epidemiological aspects of bed bug infestations rather than learning about lifecycle and biology of the bed bug itself. As a matter of fact, most of our articles about parasitic and infectious diseases are structured so that the primary topic is about the illness, and near the top they link to an article about the causing organism itself (e.g. Toxoplasmosis is a parasitic disease caused by Toxoplasma gondii...). This one is a counterexample by necessity, because the "common name" "bed bug" relates to the organism rather than the infection/infestation.
I'm thinking about reshuffling the contents (mostly swapping the two pages) so that we have:

• Article about the bug's biology and physiology at Cimex, its binomial name
• The "main", broad-concept article at either Bed bug or Bed bug infestation, with Bed bug as the primary redirect.

I'm just thinking aloud, but I think we all should come to the best setup in an informal discussion rather than through a RM or similar process. Thoughts welcome. No such user (talk) 13:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Just merge them. Not like a disease where symptoms are known ages before the organism is determined. A bed bug infestation is just bed bugs in numbers. Hyperbolick (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• The catch is, the merged article would be somewhat overlong. If anything, the lengthy Bed bug#Description section is somewhat too technical entomology for an overview article and would be better placed into Cimex (now redirects here) or Cimex lectularius (the common bed bug). Once we get rid of that, I think they could be safely merged. No such user (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Just discovered /Archive 2#Challenges to organizing content written by Blue Rasberry back in 2017 so pinging him as well. You don't seem to have implemented much of your proposal from the time, did you? No such user (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

User:No such user and User:Hyperbolick agree those are excellent suggestions. The information about this genus can go at Cimex. The disease can go at bed bug.

We already have an article about the family which is Cimicidae

So basically it would be a merge of bed bug infestation into bed bug with a split off of much of the description into a new article on the genus Cimex. Happy to carry this out if their are not objections. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Good. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Let us wait for a week or so, shall we, to iron out the details? There is no deadline. For example, in the meanwhile I learned that most of the content of Bed bug#Description actually pertains to Cimex lectularius, as the genus Cimex contains several bug species affecting bats and birds, and only two affecting humans. Cimex should thus only be either a short taxonomic article, or perhaps a redirect to Cimicidae. Let us not rush to implementation like you did the last time... :) No such user (talk) 15:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Been working on this article for more than 8 years. Waiting another week is no big deal. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

agree--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:31, 22 October 2018 (UTC)