Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34

Tirgil34

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Older archives were moved to an archive of the archive because of the page size and are listed below:

• Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34/Archive/1

For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34/Archive.

A long-term abuse case exists at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34.

24 November 2018

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets

• पाटलिपुत्र (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Falconfly (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• HarvardKing (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Seriouslemonade (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Kwékwlos (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Erminwin (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Alx bio (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Izzat Kutebar (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Darokrithia (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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Key diffs:

• Kujula Kadphises[1][2]
• Wusun[3][4]
• Xionites[5][6][7]
• Mihirakula[8][9][10][11]
• Toramana[12][13][14]
• Khalaj people[15][16]
• Tabiti/Scythian religion[17][18][19]
• University of Maryland, College Park[20][21]

For clerks and administrators unfamiliar with this case, it should be noted that Tirgil34 is a fanatic propagandist for Turanist and Pan-Turkist pseudo-scholarship, which he has deceptively promoted on Wikipedia for many years through dozens (probably hundreds) of sockpuppets. Generally, this ideology, with support from the Turkish and other post-Soviet authorities at the highest level, uses falsified historical, linguistic, genetic and archaeological data to make fantastic claims that Scythians, Saka, Alans, Huns, Alans, Goths, Burgundians, Saxons, Alemanni, Angles, Lombards, Medes, Parthians, Hittites, Etruscans, Minoans and Sumerians were of Turkic origin, and that the Indo-European languages, Ancient Greek and Old Norse are derived from Turkic languages.[22][23][24][25] This propaganda is closely related to Armenian Genocide denial and far-right politics.[26] To promote this agenda, Tirgil34 among other things runs the Youtube-channel IdelUralState (with 30,000 loyal subscribers) and is the man behind the user Kipchak Hakan at the "racialist" forum The Apricity. This is shown at detail at WP:Tirgil34. His chief source of information is the blog TurkicWorld (blacklisted on Wikipedia), which has become something of a Turanist bible and is run by a man who has an account on Wikipedia under the name Barefact, with thousands of edits. As Tirgil34's Youtube and The Apricity accounts are still very active, there can be no doubt that he is still spreading his theories on Wikipedia. Evidence provided below will show that he is more active than ever:

• Similar edits at Wusun: Erminwin[27] - Radosfrester (sock of Tirgil34)[28] [This evidence is so strong that Erminwin should be blocked and tagged as per WP:DUCK regardless of the CheckUser results]
• Promoting the work of a certain "Kurbanov" at Hephthalite Empire: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[29][30] - Erminwin[31] [This material is gathered from Barefacts website TurkicWorld]
• Adding obscure Tamga images uploaded at Wikimedia by Barefact: Radosfrester (sock of Tirgil34)[32] - Tsaigankuk (sock of Tirgil34)[33] - पाटलिपुत्र[34] - Alx bio[35]
• It has already been established that पाटलिपुत्र has been engaged in sockpuppetry. The modus operandi is the same as Tirgil34. Compare how पाटलिपुत्र, Priyadasi, Beads and reels, Tillya Tepe gold and Wienerbund edit in tandem at Indo-Greek Kingdom[36] to how Su4kin, Tenthwhitch, Hirabutor, Kleropides and Lamedumal edit in tandem at Turanid race.[37] A similar tandem editing is displayed by पाटलिपुत्र and Alx bio at Nezak Huns[38] and Alchon Huns.[39] A look at the early edits of पाटलिपुत्र shows that he has a precocious editing history. He is clearly not an independent sockmaster, but a sock of an older master. Using usernames in non-Latin scripts is typical Tirgil34 behavior, see Әхмәт улы, Волгаа, Слушкы, Тазовск, User:کاشکولی. पाटलिपुत्र presents himself as an Indian. Ascribing fictitious nationalities to his socks is typical of Tirgil34, who has previously disguised himself as Ossetian[40] Kurdish,[41] German,[42][43][44][45] Hungarian,[46] and Azeri.[47] He has also presented himself as both male,[48] female[49] and transexual.[50] Back in July, पाटलिपुत्र came close to being subjected to another CheckUser, but confessed to everything while refusing to digitally confirm it, thereby avoiding a CheckUser. Clearly, he had something to hide.
• Similar edits at Kabul Shahi: User:Agaceri (sock of Tirgil34) [51] - Alx bio[52]

• See the deleted article Turushka by Agaceri. Alx bio has created the article Turk Shahi, which was mentioned by Agaceri four years ago at the Turushka article.

• Identical edits at Xionites: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[53] - पाटलिपुत्र[54][55][56][57] [This evidence is so strong that पाटलिपुत्र should be blocked and tagged as per WP:DUCK regardless of the CheckUser results]
• Identical edits at Kujula Kadphises: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[58] - Beads and reels (sock of पाटलिपुत्र)[59] - पाटलिपुत्र[60] [Very strong evidence; All of these coin images are gathered from Barefact's blog TurkicWorld
• Promoting Barefact's article Tegin at Mihirakula: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[61] - Alx bio[62][63] - पाटलिपुत्र[64] [This evidence is so strong that Alx bio should be blocked and tagged as per WP:DUCK regardless of the CheckUser results]
• Promoting the article Alchon Huns at Khingila I: Alx bio[65] - पाटलिपुत्र[66]
• Similar edits at Huna people: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[67] - पाटलिपुत्र[68]
• Promoting links between the Hephtalites and Alchon Huns and Nezak Huns: Alx bio[69][70][71][72] - पाटलिपुत्र[73]
• Claiming Toramana was a a Tegin of the Huna: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[74] - Alx bio[75][76] - पाटलिपुत्र[77] [Very strong evidence that Alx bio is a Tirgil34 sock]
• Similar edits at Khalaj people: Al Hanvar (sock of Tirgil34)[78] - HarvardKing.[79]
• Kwékwlos has a suspicious username and edits the same types of articles as Tirgil34.[80]
• Seriouslemonade is a typical Tirgil34 SPA sock adding "recent discoveries" on Eurasian genetics with selective quotes at Cimmerians.[81] See edits by Dashte Qom (sock of Tirgil34) at Altai people.[82]
• Darokrithia is stale but clearly another Tirgil34 sock. At Kangju he restores[83] Tamga images added by Alx bio.[84] Should be blocked and tagged. Unsurprisingly, this very same image appears at Barefact's blog [Kangar dateline - TurkicWorld TurkicWorld] (250 AD).
• Izzat Kutebar is stale byt seems to be a Tirgil34 sock. He claims to be Irishman living in England with an interest in football, but his username is derived from the obscure Turkic rebel Izzat Kutebar, and he mostly edits the same subjects as Tirgil34, in particular Alyattes of Lydia.[85][86][87][88][89] Should be blocked and tagged.
• Falconfly restores the article Tabiti,[90] created by Tabiti,[91] as sock of Tirgil34, based upon edits at Scythian religion by Dashte Qom,[92] another sock of Tirgil34. See also this edit by the sockmaster[93] and the article Tabitu,[94] created by Tirgil34 sock Greczia.[95] Falconfly makes the Tirgil34-like claim that the name of the Scythian goddess Argimpasa "is almost certainly a loan word from Turkic languages."[96] Falconfly is already blocked.
• Both Erminwin[97] and Alx bio[98] appear to have some kind of connection to University of Maryland, College Park.

There should be enough evidence here to warrant numerous blocks and tags as per WP:DUCK. However, investigations of Tirgil34 have the habit of revealing huge sockfarms,[99][100][101] so the suspected accounts should be subjected to a thorough CheckUser by someone experienced with the tool so that additional socks can be revealed. Krakkos (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC) Krakkos (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

The filer is obsessed with this master. I quickly checked several of the accounts, and none of them is editing from the same country as each other or as Tirgil34. And, Krakkos, in the future do not make insulting requests like "the suspected accounts should be subjected to a thorough CheckUser by someone experienced with the tool so that additional socks can be revealed." Closing with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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