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:Hey {{u|Yotaml2}}, it's a pleasure to meet you again. Thank you very much for the ping. {{Smiley}}{{pb}}The current source for the "2018" statement is behind an email-wall and can't be used for the "2019" statement anyway. Let's replace it by an openly accessible, up-to-date source. An important point here is that the source must be really independent of Liferay, independent of Facebook and independent of Microsoft, must be reliable and actually mention the year "2019" as state of the statistics. This may be very hard to find on January 04, but maybe you'll find one. If not, we may need to wait until such sources exist. The year has just begun.{{pb}}For the "or [[Liferay]]" addition, I think that the source needs to name "Liferay" in the same sentence as, or on the same level as, [[Microsoft Sharepoint]] or [[Workplace by Facebook]]. The source needs to show that Liferay is actually so popular that it can be used in this sentence. It would, especially, need to be at least the third-largest competitor in this area. Else, the third-largest competitor would logically be named instead of Liferay.{{pb}}Good luck and have a happy new year! [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 02:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC) |
:Hey {{u|Yotaml2}}, it's a pleasure to meet you again. Thank you very much for the ping. {{Smiley}}{{pb}}The current source for the "2018" statement is behind an email-wall and can't be used for the "2019" statement anyway. Let's replace it by an openly accessible, up-to-date source. An important point here is that the source must be really independent of Liferay, independent of Facebook and independent of Microsoft, must be reliable and actually mention the year "2019" as state of the statistics. This may be very hard to find on January 04, but maybe you'll find one. If not, we may need to wait until such sources exist. The year has just begun.{{pb}}For the "or [[Liferay]]" addition, I think that the source needs to name "Liferay" in the same sentence as, or on the same level as, [[Microsoft Sharepoint]] or [[Workplace by Facebook]]. The source needs to show that Liferay is actually so popular that it can be used in this sentence. It would, especially, need to be at least the third-largest competitor in this area. Else, the third-largest competitor would logically be named instead of Liferay.{{pb}}Good luck and have a happy new year! [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 02:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC) |
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::Hey {{u|ToBeFree}}, happy new year and great to connect with you again! I agree that the current source for the "2018" statement should be replaced. Just to clarify, I did not cite that source in the article nor make any edits to the article. While, at least as far as I can tell, there are currently no sources for 2019, there are independent sources for previous years. For example, this article (https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-leading-enterprise-intranet-portal-and-collaboration-platforms-for-2016/) from 2016 cites the leading providers at the time, with SharePoint listed as the leading provider followed by a series of others (including Liferay) in no particular order. The article was published in ZDNet, a well-respected technology publication, by an an industry analyst that has no connection to Microsoft, Liferay or any other provider.{{pb}} If you're looking for additional evidence, you can also see this article (https://www.cioapplications.com/vendors/top-10-portal-software-solution-providers-2018-rid-83.html) in CIO Applications, an independent publication aimed at an audience of technology professionals, which lists Liferay among the leading providers. The CIO Applications article does not even list SharePoint. Finally, you can see a list of intranet solutions from codeasite, an independent system integrator, citing a list of intranet providers, including Liferay, here: https://blog.codeasite.com/the-complete-guide-to-corporate-intranet-providers/.{{pb}} With this in mind I'd like to propose that the "intranet software" section be rewritten as follows: |
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:::"As of 2016, [[Microsoft SharePoint]] was the most commonly used intranet solution. Other providers include [[EXo platform]], [[IBM WebSphere]] and [[Liferay]].<ref>https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-leading-enterprise-intranet-portal-and-collaboration-platforms-for-2016/</ref> |
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::[[User:Yotaml2|Yotaml2]] ([[User talk:Yotaml2|talk]]) 18:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC) |
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Need separate "Intranet (network)" vs "Intranet (website)"?
There are distinct mean from the network view and website view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ? (talk • contribs) ?
- No. This article can describe both. David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 18:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- This article could describe both usages. However, it currently doesn't properly distinguish between the earliest use of the word as describing an internal (usually RFC1918) internetwork and its more-modern use to mean an internal, corporate website. Scott.pt (talk) 12:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- RFC1918 does not actually define the word intranet. However the assumption that it is web pages is similar to the assumption that the internet is the WWW. I think the article needs to add a note about these two common-use meanings. --Zaurus (talk) 00:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Outdated? [Query]
The dates entered here seems to be old by IT standards. If you are knowledgeable on this topic, please check it for outdated information.
In view of the seriousness of recent site hacks (Russians, Anonymous), please explain if this kind of system is secure from external attacks. If so, how? If not, why not? Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 22:43, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- In addition to an "Update" template, I also added an "Expert needed" template. Perhaps an expert can address the concerns entered above on this Talk Page and update the information, if needed. Again, thank you, Wordreader (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Enterprise private network
There was old merge tag for a proposed merge of Enterprise private network into this article. The discussion wasn't created, so I'm doing it here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:19, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, the usual confusion between a random buzzword and a Wikipedia topic. Please do as time permits, thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
I believe that there should either be a merge, and have Enterprise private network re-direct here with a message saying why this should happen, or additional information on Enterprise private network for a clear distinction between the two64.16.149.178 (talk) 14:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm doing this merge now. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Editing "Intranet Software" Section
Hello,
I would like to propose a small edit to the "Intranet Software" section of this article. In particular, I would propose that the following section:
"In 2018, there is a range of intranet software in use. They can be placed into a few different categories such as enterprise social networks like Workplace by Facebook, traditional intranet like Microsoft Sharepoint."
Be rewritten as:
"As of 2019, a wide variety of intranet software is in use. They can be placed into a few different categories, including enterprise social networks like Workplace by Facebook and traditional intranets like Microsoft SharePoint or Liferay."
You can view more details about Liferay's intranet offering here: https://www.liferay.com/solutions/intranets. User:Spintendo, User:ToBeFree or C.Fred is this something one of you can help with?
Please note that I am a Liferay employee.
Yotaml2 (talk) 01:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hey Yotaml2, it's a pleasure to meet you again. Thank you very much for the ping.
The current source for the "2018" statement is behind an email-wall and can't be used for the "2019" statement anyway. Let's replace it by an openly accessible, up-to-date source. An important point here is that the source must be really independent of Liferay, independent of Facebook and independent of Microsoft, must be reliable and actually mention the year "2019" as state of the statistics. This may be very hard to find on January 04, but maybe you'll find one. If not, we may need to wait until such sources exist. The year has just begun.For the "or Liferay" addition, I think that the source needs to name "Liferay" in the same sentence as, or on the same level as, Microsoft Sharepoint or Workplace by Facebook. The source needs to show that Liferay is actually so popular that it can be used in this sentence. It would, especially, need to be at least the third-largest competitor in this area. Else, the third-largest competitor would logically be named instead of Liferay.Good luck and have a happy new year! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hey ToBeFree, happy new year and great to connect with you again! I agree that the current source for the "2018" statement should be replaced. Just to clarify, I did not cite that source in the article nor make any edits to the article. While, at least as far as I can tell, there are currently no sources for 2019, there are independent sources for previous years. For example, this article (https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-leading-enterprise-intranet-portal-and-collaboration-platforms-for-2016/) from 2016 cites the leading providers at the time, with SharePoint listed as the leading provider followed by a series of others (including Liferay) in no particular order. The article was published in ZDNet, a well-respected technology publication, by an an industry analyst that has no connection to Microsoft, Liferay or any other provider. If you're looking for additional evidence, you can also see this article (https://www.cioapplications.com/vendors/top-10-portal-software-solution-providers-2018-rid-83.html) in CIO Applications, an independent publication aimed at an audience of technology professionals, which lists Liferay among the leading providers. The CIO Applications article does not even list SharePoint. Finally, you can see a list of intranet solutions from codeasite, an independent system integrator, citing a list of intranet providers, including Liferay, here: https://blog.codeasite.com/the-complete-guide-to-corporate-intranet-providers/. With this in mind I'd like to propose that the "intranet software" section be rewritten as follows:
- "As of 2016, Microsoft SharePoint was the most commonly used intranet solution. Other providers include EXo platform, IBM WebSphere and Liferay.[1]