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We've started a discussion to shelve the BOTM and COTM initiatives for the month of december. I've listed a number of reasons why, and there is some good support so far. Since you are an active voter for these things, I recommend you come give your two cents. The discussion is on the wikibooks staff lounge. --[[wikibooks:User:Whiteknight]] 02:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
We've started a discussion to shelve the BOTM and COTM initiatives for the month of december. I've listed a number of reasons why, and there is some good support so far. Since you are an active voter for these things, I recommend you come give your two cents. The discussion is on the wikibooks staff lounge. --[[wikibooks:User:Whiteknight]] 02:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Calling for a inclusionist opinions on the two notable articles up for AfD ==

These two articles are up for AfD:
[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chicken and Rice]]
and
[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hallo Berlin]]

I hope you'll agree with me! Chicken and Rice has been cited by multiple indepedent sources, has a huge cult following, and has been nominated by Vendy Awards, a notable award in NYC.

Hallo Berlin (not as large a cult following), but even more coverage, and Won the Vendy Awards! [[User:Valoem|<font color="DarkSlateGray">'''Valoem'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Valoem|'''<font color="Black">talk</font>''']]</sup> 05:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:51, 15 November 2006

Welcome!

Hello, Easyas12c, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! 

I hope you will add more articles about the lifestyle to Wikipedia. Johntex 18:01, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fart Fetish

You asked if I could transfer some knowledge from my copy of Encyclopedia of Unusual Sex Practices about flatuphilia. Well, really all there is under the entry is what I already provided on the deletion page for fart fetish. The only thing I left out was a brief letter to the author from a flatuphiliac who described a short experience he had with a woman who helped him indulge in the fetish. So go ahead and take what you need from what I posted already. As far as the book is concerned, here is some more reference info for it: ISBN - 1-56980-011-1, Published by Barricade Books Inc./New York. Dismas 13:14, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi, this is in response to the message you sent.

While I agree most of the information in the previous article was useful, I doubt with the current, much more strict enforcement against using primary sources, or making claims that can't be verified by a non-self-published source (even if the information is completely true), it wouldn't be able to be added back to the article. Ralphael 19:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{rfd}}

When you add {{rfd}} to redirects, please do not replace the old redirect text, instead, just place the template above the redirect text. – ABCD 22:32, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

VfD help

Please, help at VfD of Ivan Cherevko. -- Mykola Petrenko 09:43, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

As of March 25, 2005, there are an additional (6) articles listed for deletion under the POV notion that schools are non-notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy). Please be aware that the following schools are actively being discussed and voted upon:

In response to this cyclical ordeal, a Schoolwatch programme has been initiated in order to indentify school-related articles which may need improvement and to help foster and encourage continued organic growth. Your comments are welcome and I thank you again for your time. --GRider\talk

***************

Is *************** in fact a person? If so, who? Why would this mistake have been made? I'm reluctant to delete a page (without a VfD) without very good reason, as I hope you'll appreciate. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:54, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you reverted my making the page a redirect, without responding to my query. Some research suggests that there is at least some reason for thinking that you're wrong on this: [1]. You may well be right, and the Web-site wrong, but I do need more than your word before deleting the redirect page. Please leave that page alone until you've explained further (the edit history of the Stile article tells me nothing, I'm afraid, beyond the fact that the name was removed from it). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:12, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The nndb page provides evidence (proof is obviously going to be difficult). An anonymous posting denying the identification is surely less convincing than this? I'm not committed to keeping the page, and would be just as happy to see it settled either way, but I don't want to delete a page without being sure. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:19, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
No — that would mess up the redirect. If you want to have the redirect deleted, you can propose it on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion — instructions are on the page. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:09, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Click OK

Hi! you asked some time ago me to look Click OK article. As I'm not awaare of the band I don't have much to add. There's few thoughts I had when I was reading it:

  • Titles (of songs, etc) are written in Estonian only first letter is capitalized
  • In external links:
    • For the photo it would be good to mention the site (and owner/photographer)
    • First newspaper article is just bout car accident and how they were transported to hospital, in my opinion irrelevant for encyclopedia
    • Second newspaper article is about First Estonian clubdance (go-go dance(?)) competition. And there is mentioned that 2 girls (Kariny Joala and Monika Mandre) from Click OK won. So this fact maybe will be suitable for article.

Hope this is any help for you. --TarmoK 18:47, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{RfC}} 2

You dropped a few RfC templates on some redirects you created that I don't believe you ever cleaned up after. Pages relating to Annita Pania. Did these get soumitted to RfD, and if they did, what was the outcome? You can request a speedy delete of items that you create and that only you have edited, within reason. humblefool® 00:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mazzembly 1997

No, thanks to you. If you hadn't written in my talk page I'd have never remembered to remove the request from "Requested images" ;-) Sarg 12:21, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hubba Bubba Bubble Gum soda

At Talk:Hubba Bubba Bubble Gum soda you asked about moving a web image to the wikipedia images. I don't think we can do that but I checked the link and it looks like the person who has the image is at email address peggy@promobilia.com so you could ask if we can have the picture. Assuming the email address isn't stale she might say yes. RJFJR 15:03, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

I moved my copyright examination request as instructed. I also left a comment at Wikipedia talk:Requested copyright examinations as to my reasoning for placing the request there.

--Tckma 19:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Attempt to delete Finnish musicians stub

Have you seen this discussion: Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BFinland-musician-stub.7D.7D_.26_Cat:Finnish_musician_stubs?--Mais oui! 18:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Finland-writer-stub

I reverted the edits. Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa. RCSB 22:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oddball

I , CyclePat, award Easyas12c with this Oddball Barnstar for the creation of the odd & unexpected article Fart fetish

--CyclePat 02:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copied to user page for now. This is the first barnstar I get. Thank you. --Easyas12c 21:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've closed your copyright examination at Talk:Kill,_I_Oughtta. The image qualifies as fair use. ~MDD4696 23:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great news. --Easyas12c 23:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FU rootkit

Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Perfecto 23:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where exactly did I do so? --Easyas12c 23:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those little annoying computer game images you added to tons of articles

You really, really, REALLY have to go through and remove all those tiny little stupid icons from that computer game from all the articles you put them on. That's just atrocious. Those serve absolutely no encyclopedic purpose whatsoever. As small as they are, I don;t think they'd have any purpose on the article about the game itself, but they sure as hell have no purpose being added to all the articles about folklore and mythology. I mean, come on, are all of these articles supposed to turn into image galleries for all the different versions of all the zillions of computer games that trivially happen to adapt that creature for the game? Use some common sense. DreamGuy 06:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Many of these articles didn't have any pictures at all. I think they are making the articles better, else I would not have added them in the first place. And you have to note that these images are really free, so they are better than some fair use images. --Easyas12c 08:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you think it would make sense to add images of every fictional/real elephant to elephant article. I don't. But I do think it is wise to have few elephant pictures in the article.--Easyas12c 08:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Then get some that are RELEVANT and ENCYCLOPEDIC and LARGER and NOT FROM SOME STUPID ALMOST COMPLETELY UNHEARD OF COMPUTER GAME. Did you remove all those images yet? If you haven't, please do. I don't want to remove them all myself, but I will if I have to, because these images are clearly highly inappropriate. I mean, come on, get real. DreamGuy 16:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I will let the editors of the specific articles decide. If the images are inappropriate they will remove them. We don't need to do that by brute force based on one, or even two opinions. The pain of removing the images is still smaller than the pain of adding them. So, if you remove the images I have suffered more. If you want to decide this for every article by yourself, then it is your business. I won't revert your edits, if you are to remove the images. I had my posibility to suggest a change, now I leave it to the hands of evolution. --Easyas12c 11:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article listed for deletion

Hi Easyas12c,

I noticed from the Wikimedia Inclusionist page that you're an inclusionist, also, so I was wondering if you would be able to do me a huge favor and possibly place a vote here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ethnic slurs. I've been working on the article for months, and now they want to delete it. If you could, I would be greatly in your debt.

Best wishes,

Primetime 17:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Anal jewelry

I don't understand the comment you left on my talk page. I didn't do anything to the article except put up a proposed deletion template because the article is only a dictionary definition. If you disagree with the proposed deletion, you can simply remove the template. Since your first language is Finnish, maybe you could translate the Finnish article into English to expand the English article beyond a dictionary definition. I'm not into piercing, and I don't know how important the practice of anal piercing is, but I suspect it's not a widespread or popular practice because of the obvious, serious health risks. All I had to go on was the minimal information in the current entry. No reply to this message is expected or desired. If you think the article is worth keeping, just remove the PROD tag and expand it. Anyone can remove a PROD tag for any reason. Brian G. Crawford 16:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Various artists album infobox

Template:Various artists album infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Jogers (talk) 14:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mergeto template on Ubuntu Linux

You added Template:Mergeto on Ubuntu (Linux distribution)#CNR_for_Ubuntu some time ago. Would you please clarify on Talk:Ubuntu (Linux distribution) why you feel the section ought to be moved? It is not obvious to me. Twinxor t 08:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Afd: Moonfish (audio tracker)

I nominated an article that you created, Moonfish (audio tracker), for deletion. If you think that the article is salvagable, or that I'm mistaken, please comment on its deletion page. Please see the Guide to deletion if you have any questions about Wikipedia's deletion process. -- Vossanova 18:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Various artists albums: cfd

Uh, I guess we're coming to tear this down again. Seriously, though, we've pretty much decided against automatic sorting of album categories by {{Album infobox}} in the latest updates, in which we also made the chronology display optional and redirected the Various artists infobox. The discussion's here; honestly, I can't see that there's a need to group all these together. –Unint 04:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Capitilized category

I replaced the category Finnish Keyboardists that you created, with Category:Finnish keyboardists and sent the old one to be speedy deleted. No other similar categories are named with a capital letter on the name on the instrument, so I decided to be brave and assume it was just a lapse of mind from your side. I will fix the interwiki on fiwiki, too. // Habj 19:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amber Rose image

I returned the dvd image for now. It is better than nothing. However, note discussion at Talk:Amber_Rose_(porn_star)#picture --Easyas12c 09:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Humm.. I'm afraid it's not better than nothing. That use of a dvd cover violates the Wikipedia Fair Used policies. I'd say we better get rid of it. --Abu Badali 11:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Now, that seems a valid point. We really should get one of the other pictures now. --Easyas12c 15:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early registration for Wikimania 2006 is open until July 9. User:Spalding From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

Hello, fellow Wikipedians! Contents [hide]

   * 1 My introduction to Wikipedia
   * 2 My interests
   * 3 My Wikipedia MO
   * 4 Some gushing!
   * 5 My latest toy
   * 6 What Wikipedia is not
   * 7 Nomination for Patron Saint of Wikipedia
   * 8 My CSS experiments and my small customization of my Wikipedia view
   * 9 WikiProjects
   * 10 Use of Javascript in the monobook.js page
   * 11 Useful links that I keep here for reference and as aids for editing
   * 12 Fairly obscure tips and tricks that are in the manual but I missed for too long

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My introduction to Wikipedia

I loved this site the minute I found it in a Google search. In fact, I just now caught myself looking for the edit tab when reading a normal web page that needed a little tweak, so I think I have a problem already! And the mouseovers on these wiki links, especially when renamed, remind me of Mr. Subliminal. [edit]

My interests

But seriously, my interests are engineering, especially human factors and usability, cognitive science, jazz, epistemology for dummies, pop science, nonfiction, especially science books, technical writing and mental models, collaboration as in Wikipedia and participatory design, consumer protection, and bicycling. [edit]

My Wikipedia MO

Here's my entry in the Wikipedia:new user log from August 2004. Since then my editing style (MO) has been mainly working on links - adding both internal and external ones (usually one of the first few on the first page of Google hits), and fixing broken ones - I HATE linkrot.

Recently in early 2005 I have noticed that, just as it often happens with the problem of keeping track of anything, there are often articles that are not linked to similar ones and it can lead to much repetition of similar articles under similar names, so lately I have been liberally adding internal links to connect articles in order to build the web. BTW, what is the common term for these links? Free links? Free-links? Wikilinks? Wiki-links? None of them has an article that I can find. This concept is similar to the need for a common glossary in technical writing, so that consistent names are used for the same thing. OK, on 6/3/2005 I found freelink and wikilink in Wikipedia:Glossary. That's better. So I created redirects to teh Wikipedia glossary for freelink, free-link, Wiki-link, and wikilink.

I also create stubs when I am struck with a thought. My watchlist has been growing and growing, since I leave my breadcrumb trail by using the default of watching edited pages. The watchlist is then watched for vandalism, spelling, typos, or anything strange. I am a fan of properly filling in edit summaries, and in pursuit of guidelines for them I just found this: Edit summary legend. [edit]

Some gushing!

I am very excited about Wikipedia, which in IMO is nearly as groundbreaking as the web itself as the embodiment of the ideals of Vannevar Bush and Tim Berners-Lee on making accumulated human knowledge so accessible that the mechanics of retrieving it doesn't get in the way of thinking, or in other words, it has flow. In February 2005 I joined the m:Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians after thinking that one of my long articles had been deleted! And in August 2005, I discovered and joined the Wikipedia:Harmonious editing club. [edit]

My latest toy

Dillo - I just discovered this wonderful piece of software when commissioning my Linux toy, an old PC brought back to life for web surfing. An old Cyrix 686 processor (first with 32 MB, now 160 MB of EDO memory) can now surf like lightning, thanks to Red Hat Linux plus two pieces of minimalist software - the Blackbox window manager, and Dillo. (Although lately since adding that memory it works just fine with the very nice Gnome desktop). I was especially impressed with performance on Wikipedia compared to some other computers I have used. While Dillo only does sites with simple html, no Java programming language or https, and is hit or miss with javascript, it seems to have no problem with php. A nice feature is built in html syntax checking - almost all web sites have some errors. [edit]

What Wikipedia is not

As I expanded this use page, I wondered if I was starting to blog here, and violate the Wikipedia is not a soapbox policy. I don't really think so. On an initial perusal of the guidelines for user pages, I think I'm ok, since this info is mostly Wikipedia-related along with a small amount of personal info. Any opinions?

   Hi Spalding - Brookie here - I think you're okay on your musing - it's albout you on the Wiki which seems fine to Me! Brookie 15:55, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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Nomination for Patron Saint of Wikipedia

It just has to be Cliff Clavin! Dontcha think? [edit]

My CSS experiments and my small customization of my Wikipedia view

I sometimes have lost edits because I forgot to do the final save after successive Previews. I think the problem was partially banner blindness, but mostly that the "NOTE: This is only a preview and has not yet been saved" message was too small and blended in with the article text. So with the help of some good Wikipedians on the Village Pump Assistance page, I was able to make the notice big (and also blinking on Firefox, IE doesn't support blink). Now if I miss it, shame on me. Here's the line in my monobook.css, along with the development ones that didn't quite work. Note: I had to revise it for changes in MediaWiki 1.5 in June 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Spalding/monobook.css


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WikiProjects

I think WikiProject Red Link Recovery is a good cause and WikiProject, because I have often found red links that are very easily fixed, usually because there is already an article with a slightly different capitalization, plural, or some similar small difference. I know that Wikipedia usually has an article (at least a stub) for almost any possible fairly common subject, word, or phrase, so very often I find wonderful articles that are just a small correction away from a red link in any given article, and I want to do as much as possible to prevent myself and others from wasting time and effort trying to reinvent the wheel.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability is another one I recently joined. There is also Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories. [edit]

Use of Javascript in the monobook.js page

I copied and pasted this suggestion from User:ABCD on Wikipedia_talk:Edit summary#Forcing summaries to force an edit summary to prevent inadvertently leaving it blank, since I usually intend to fill it in with descriptive text as a courtesy to others that are watching it. I tried it both as something nice to have and to get experience in Wikipedia Javascript customizing via the User:Spalding/monobook.js page.

The biggest problem in getting this to work was getting the browser cache refreshed. For Firefox, control-reload didn't seem to do it, it took control-shift-R. And it seems to wear out and need to be redone fairly often. There is obviously still a detail of this browser cache stuff that I still don't understand. [edit]

Useful links that I keep here for reference and as aids for editing

   * WP:MOS, WP:LAYOUT, WP:EP, Wikipedia:Links, Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links) - Guidelines for my most frequent Wikipedia activities, starting with the grand pubah, the Manual of Style, the critical Guide to Layout, then working with internal and external links
   * Wikipedia:Featured articles - I often wonder why there isn't a nice sample article for help in formatting, writing, etc., and then duh, I remember that is what featured articles are.
   * Wikipedia:Categories and Wikipedia:Categorization projects (current) - I have avoided categories so far after an initial burst of enthusiasm that was quickly squelched by confusion and disillusionment, but I think they are potentially good. The main problem as I see it is that every article can potentially be in very many categories which gets too messy, IMO, so I will peruse these for the categorization philosophy (1-3 categories per article? I don't know) as time permits before getting involved again.
   * Wikipedia:Wikiquette - Hey, can't hurt!
   * American and British English spelling differences - To help separate misspellings from American-British differences
   * Wikipedia:Build the web - one of the best features of Wikipedia is the interconnectedness of all things (within reason)
   * m:Wikipedia_sociology- Interesting.

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Fairly obscure tips and tricks that are in the manual but I missed for too long

These are all documented somewhere in the Wikipedia:Project_namespace namespace, but I put them here for quick reference.

  1. Comments can be included right on an article page by enclosing them as shown:  . A good use of this is to warn to check the talk page first when there is a section that is contentious and has been the subject of edit wars. To see the example comment that is embedded in this section, go to page edit mode. Actually this is documented in the very basic Wikipedia:How to edit a page, so it is a good example of RTFM, but the Wikipedia manual ain't no Mac instruction manual!
  2. A pipe "|" symbol may be used to strip off the parenthetical part of a link and/or a prefix such as Wiktionary: or Wikipedia: or m:. An example is instruction manual used above to display instruction manual. Also useful for Wiktionary links - in that case it strips off the Wiktionary prefix.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Spalding" Views

   * User page
   * Discussion

Proposal on Notability

Because you're a member of the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians, I'm notifying you that the inclusionist proposa Wikipedia:Non-notabilityl is in progress to define the role of notability in articles. Please help us make this successful! Also note the proposal Wikipedia:Importance is a deletionist proposla that seeks to officially introduce notabiltiy for the first time. Make sure this is defeated! --Ephilei 04:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In case you're interested. Regards, Samsara (talkcontribs) 17:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ubuntu thanks

To User:Localzuk, User:Twinxor, User:Easyas12c

Just wanted to say well done for your contributions to Ubuntu (Linux distribution), which were important in getting it to FA status, and for being involved on its FA day and/or the aftermath. It's always so much better working with a group of people towards a common goal than walking the walk alone. - Samsara (talkcontribs) 13:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image talk:Ncurve2.gif

I reverted your edit to the copyright status of this image because you did not provide a reason for doing so. If you want to discuss it, please do so, but do not simply change the status because you feel like it. If you have a good reason for doing so, then explain why. Chris53516 19:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did not edit its copyright status. I rejected the copyright examination, as the problem does not fall into the pool of problems that copyright examinations deal with. Please read the rejection template (the one that you removed by reverting) carefully. --Easyas12c 19:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then where on Earth is it supposed to go? The image is from a webpage and it has a copyright problem. Therefore, I requested copyright review. It sounds like it's the right place to me. Chris53516 20:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From Wikipedia:Requested copyright examinations:

This page is a forum for requesting co-examination of copyright and licensing of content with other Wikipedians before it is included in a Wikipedia article, or to request such co-examination of copyright and licensing of an image before the image is uploaded to Wikipedia. (emphasis changed)

I want to use the image in an article. It's already been uploaded, but that still fits with the above description. Unless I'm totally lost and confused, this image seems to fit in the {{Template:copyrightexamination}}. Chris53516 20:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anal Jewellery

Apologies - misread the thread and thought it should have gone back to the redirect, sorry --Nigel (Talk) 19:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks for apologing. It took courage from me to revert the article again. --Easyas12c 18:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Examining Christine Smith

The text at the top of Wikipedia:Requested copyright examinations says "Fair use checking should also be directed here". So why was Christine Smith, a dispute about fair use, listed as unsuitable for requested copyright examinations. Did I misunderstand what was meant by "here"? Andjam 07:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have no idea how that got into the page. Keeping the forum preinclusion has really been a pain. This is probaly because people don't dare to mark stuff copyright violations, when they are unsure about it. How ever thats not a reason for bugging the copyright examinations. I hope removing that unclear statement will help the project in its goals. I also plan to move rejected entries to a subpage, so no one can accidentially come to think they are correct entries. --Easyas12c 07:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Move done. --Easyas12c 07:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Enter versus Return

Hi. I noticed you're listed as the author of [Image:Enter.png|Enter.png], showing the difference between 'enter' and 'return'. I'm not so sure there is such a clear cut difference. Certainly there's no widely respected standard: even older (IBM!) keyboards mix the labels. In hardware, the two keys generate the same keycode on the port (28) - some keyboard controllers use the extended code the keypad enter generates to distinguish between the two, but this varies widely from system to system: testing in C/C++ under Windows and Linux shows the two keys generate the same response (0x0a). MacOS, according to others, differentiates between the two, which I can't test myself. I just think it's not as simple a matter as one being return and one being enter, when on the majority of computers I've tested on you can't tell from userland code.

What are your thoughts on the matter. Do you have evidence to the contrary: I'm not totally certain of my conclusions. I've posted my thoughts on the matter at Talk:Carriage_return if you'd like to join in the discussion. --Dom 11:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heidi Vahakallio

Heidi Puurulan aikaisempi sukunimi on ihan oikeasti Vahakallio eikä Vähäkallio. Katso fi:Keskustelu:Vera. JIP | Talk 10:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kas. --Easyas12c 13:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibooks BOTM and COTM

We've started a discussion to shelve the BOTM and COTM initiatives for the month of december. I've listed a number of reasons why, and there is some good support so far. Since you are an active voter for these things, I recommend you come give your two cents. The discussion is on the wikibooks staff lounge. --wikibooks:User:Whiteknight 02:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Calling for a inclusionist opinions on the two notable articles up for AfD

These two articles are up for AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chicken and Rice and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hallo Berlin

I hope you'll agree with me! Chicken and Rice has been cited by multiple indepedent sources, has a huge cult following, and has been nominated by Vendy Awards, a notable award in NYC.

Hallo Berlin (not as large a cult following), but even more coverage, and Won the Vendy Awards! Valoem talk 05:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]