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Christmas is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.

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Date	Process	Result
August 24, 2004	Peer review	Reviewed
December 23, 2004	Featured article candidate	Promoted
January 1, 2006	Featured article review	Demoted
August 8, 2006	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
January 1, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
December 9, 2007	Good article nominee	Not listed
December 15, 2008	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
November 24, 2010	Good article nominee	Not listed
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I think it is time to expand the protection for this article

what do you guys think? 141.126.208.123 (talk) 19:21, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. IWI (chat) 22:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I was protecting against vandalism only, the new protection is against a dispute. The article needs to go back to indefinite semi-protection later. Doug Weller talk 07:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Yes I was aware of this. IWI (chat) 14:00, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotection

Cheers to whoever decided to fully unprotect this article on Boxing Day, causing mass vandalism. IWI (chat) 18:54, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose he thought he was in the charitable Christmas spirit, perhaps in an unwise way, haha...--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 20:23, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I hope a mistake. :) IWI (chat) 01:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bank Holidays in the UK

"In the UK, Christmas Day became a Bank Holiday in 1834, Boxing Day was added in 1871."

This is wrong. Christmas Day is a Bank Holiday in Scotland, but it is not and has never been in England and Wales. It is difficult to write with precision about UK Bank Holidays because it needs to be made clear whether the B/H is held _somewhere_ in the UK or everywhere in the UK.

It is true that Christmas Day is often referred to in England as a Bank Holiday, even by officialdom, but it is not in any legislation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 16:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Material on the history of the date

I've been trying to cut down on excessive detail so that the article can focus on the main story. How do I decide which story is the main one? I'm following Susan Roll's Toward the Origins of Christmas (1995). Roll is the author of the article on Christmas in New Catholic Encyclopedia. For example, I have deleted edits that support or oppose the claim that December 25 is the actual birthdate of Jesus. This article is a more suitable place for such edits. FineStructure137 (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This edit is problematic in several ways. The Hippolytus story literally uses a blog as a source. Furthermore, the story is debunked by Roll in the book I cite above. As for Theophilus of Caesarea, Roll doesn't mention him. Nor does Thomas Talley mention him in Origins of the Liturgical Year (1991). The source cited is from the 16th century. Whether sheep were keep inside or outside in December has nothing to do with the date of Christmas, which was determined several centuries after the event. FineStructure137 (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Material on the history of the date ==
-== Recent changes ==
-I've been trying to cut down on excessive detail so that the article can focus on the main story. How do I decide which story is the main one? I'm following Susan Roll's ''Toward the Origins of Christmas'' (1995). Roll is the author of the article on Christmas in ''New Catholic Encyclopedia''. For example, I have deleted edits that support or oppose the claim that December 25 is the actual birthdate of Jesus. [[Date of birth of Jesus|This article]] is a more suitable place for such edits. [[User:FineStructure137|FineStructure137]] ([[User talk:FineStructure137|talk]]) 05:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
+I've been trying to cut down on excessive detail so that the article can focus on the main story. How do I decide which story is the main one? I'm following Susan Roll's ''[https://books.google.com/books?id=6MXPEMbpjoAC&printsec= Toward the Origins of Christmas]'' (1995). Roll is the author of the article on Christmas in ''New Catholic Encyclopedia''. For example, I have deleted edits that support or oppose the claim that December 25 is the actual birthdate of Jesus. [[Date of birth of Jesus|This article]] is a more suitable place for such edits. [[User:FineStructure137|FineStructure137]] ([[User talk:FineStructure137|talk]]) 05:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
+:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas&type=revision&diff=893700766&oldid=893413342 This edit] is problematic in several ways. The Hippolytus story literally uses a blog as a source. Furthermore, the story is debunked by Roll in the book I cite above. As for Theophilus of Caesarea, Roll doesn't mention him. Nor does Thomas Talley mention him in ''Origins of the Liturgical Year'' (1991). The source cited is from the 16th century. Whether sheep were keep inside or outside in December has nothing to do with the date of Christmas, which was determined several centuries after the event. [[User:FineStructure137|FineStructure137]] ([[User talk:FineStructure137|talk]]) 03:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)