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::::::{{re|Zaxander}}I think it is just an attack to Morozov by some of his enemies. There is nothing verifiable and in any case Wikipedia is not a place for such investigations. We just need to use information from reliable sources and anti-Morozov site evidently is not among them. [[User:Dron007|Dron007]] ([[User talk:Dron007#top|talk]]) 11:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Zaxander}}I think it is just an attack to Morozov by some of his enemies. There is nothing verifiable and in any case Wikipedia is not a place for such investigations. We just need to use information from reliable sources and anti-Morozov site evidently is not among them. [[User:Dron007|Dron007]] ([[User talk:Dron007#top|talk]]) 11:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately although this could be true, the articles make a lot of good points that turn out to be based on fact from the reliable sources. Viktor Morozov exists. He supported the "Cashbery"-scam and "SkyWay" according to other verified references. Schastlivy and other figures named all exist and work for Skyway; the companies that are mentioned all exist. Do you think that Victor Morozov has nothing to do with SkyWay and that we should stop researching his involvement in the business? What about the claims about Schastlivy and the other BVI companies and the white washing of money? We know that there are companies in the SkyWay Group which promote false information, pay journalists and stifle dissent. These articles just explain why and exactly which company does what. They also explain how money is funneled via UK companies from small investors to offshore locations via the shell companies in London. Shouldn't we have the freedom to investigate if these claims are true? No one is suggesting we use this material to change the article, but if any of these claims are true we should have the freedom to investigate these allegations. I just need to hear from you what you think about the allegations because I respect your opinion. [[User:Zaxander|Zachar]] ([[User talk:Zaxander|talk]]) 12:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately although this could be true, the articles make a lot of good points that turn out to be based on fact from the reliable sources. Viktor Morozov exists. He supported the "Cashbery"-scam and "SkyWay" according to other verified references. Schastlivy and other figures named all exist and work for Skyway; the companies that are mentioned all exist. Do you think that Victor Morozov has nothing to do with SkyWay and that we should stop researching his involvement in the business? What about the claims about Schastlivy and the other BVI companies and the white washing of money? We know that there are companies in the SkyWay Group which promote false information, pay journalists and stifle dissent. These articles just explain why and exactly which company does what. They also explain how money is funneled via UK companies from small investors to offshore locations via the shell companies in London. Shouldn't we have the freedom to investigate if these claims are true? No one is suggesting we use this material to change the article, but if any of these claims are true we should have the freedom to investigate these allegations. I just need to hear from you what you think about the allegations because I respect your opinion. [[User:Zaxander|Zachar]] ([[User talk:Zaxander|talk]]) 12:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::::{{re|Zaxander}}Yes, I think that we shouldn't do any researches in Wikipedia especially if we don't plan to edit the article using it. Wikipedia rules prohibit it evidently. And discussion page is not a forum to collect all rumors about the topic. Yes, Morozov exists and refers to Skyway, at least he was one of its managers many years ago and visited the Skyway meeting. That of course means nothing. All other "facts" are not supported by anything and most of them are definitely falsified. That is very primitive attack site, absolutely not reliable. Wikipedia has very strong policy about publishing unchecked negative information about living persons: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" so let's not even waste time to it until strong reliable sources mention it. [[User:Dron007|Dron007]] ([[User talk:Dron007#top|talk]]) 14:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help on the SkyWay Group

Your posts on the subject of the SkyWay Group companies have been well-researched, thorough and interesting. Furthermore, you've been helpful pointing out potential mistakes I've made in things I've written that could be problematic. Thanks for your careful reference of things that are posted to this site and helping me to improve mistakes. I appreciate it. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the time you've put in to help me with this. It's human to make mistakes, but it's a lot easier to admit you make them and learn from the experience if you know there are people out there who are willing to correct them in an objective fashion and enter discussion on these topics.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 10:20, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zaxander: Thank you too. Dron007 (talk) 11:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
People have started making personal attacks, I've been receiving threatening mails and the accusations have been getting very personal. I came to this subject with the pure interest of removing the pseudo-science like you did. I was a paying donator to Wikipedia and I believed it was a worthwhile endeavour, until I discovered with horror that blatantly false information was being peddled in the name of science. I felt I had to to help because of the knowledge I had of activities in Belgium. I enjoyed having my worked checked with other people democratically to improve the SkyWay articles. Andrew Postelniak, I fear he's an investor in the company, reacts really badly to poast I make and he's started saying I'm corrupt and that I work for the competitors. Then the really personal attacks started. You helped make it a real pleasure. But the personal attacks have become too much and I've decided to pull back. The same set of sock puppets are returning to post lots of long complaints which don't actually mean anything and now they're focusing on me. If I can help you in any way (Robin/Dron007) please let me know, i.e. advice, English, translation of articles or in fact anything, contact me via my email address zachar@nachtschimmen.eu. If I knew that I would get involved in a controversial Belarusian technology company involved in a complex international financial scam I wouldn't have connected my name and identity so close to the project. Live and learn. Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Thanks again for your help. Wishing you rhe best and when they've stopped harassing me I may come back and check in the future to make sure it's still pseudo-science free. I thank you again for your patient help and wish you the best of lcuk with whatever you choose to do. By the way; your English is equally good as that flowery language that Kmarinas86 uses the 'expert sectioneer' who promotes SkyWay with really strange English. Kindest regards from Belgium, Zachar.Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Zaxander:That's their main purpose, knock out anybody who publicly criticizes Skyway. They call it "protection of investments". Anyway you have done huge job editing this article, translating original sources, finding information. Of course they'll try to vandalize the article in future. I hope they'll not succeed in it.Dron007 (talk) 17:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They're already back I fear. You can contact me if you need my advice on anything; last months I've developed an extensive knowedge of the how SkyWay Group works so just let me know. If I notice bad thinks are happening I'll try to control the problem with your help. Wishing you the best; –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 00:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your advice on the Victor Morozov articles. I have removed them to an archive. Which parts of it do you think are untrue?
@Zaxander:I think it is just an attack to Morozov by some of his enemies. There is nothing verifiable and in any case Wikipedia is not a place for such investigations. We just need to use information from reliable sources and anti-Morozov site evidently is not among them. Dron007 (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately although this could be true, the articles make a lot of good points that turn out to be based on fact from the reliable sources. Viktor Morozov exists. He supported the "Cashbery"-scam and "SkyWay" according to other verified references. Schastlivy and other figures named all exist and work for Skyway; the companies that are mentioned all exist. Do you think that Victor Morozov has nothing to do with SkyWay and that we should stop researching his involvement in the business? What about the claims about Schastlivy and the other BVI companies and the white washing of money? We know that there are companies in the SkyWay Group which promote false information, pay journalists and stifle dissent. These articles just explain why and exactly which company does what. They also explain how money is funneled via UK companies from small investors to offshore locations via the shell companies in London. Shouldn't we have the freedom to investigate if these claims are true? No one is suggesting we use this material to change the article, but if any of these claims are true we should have the freedom to investigate these allegations. I just need to hear from you what you think about the allegations because I respect your opinion. Zachar (talk) 12:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Zaxander:Yes, I think that we shouldn't do any researches in Wikipedia especially if we don't plan to edit the article using it. Wikipedia rules prohibit it evidently. And discussion page is not a forum to collect all rumors about the topic. Yes, Morozov exists and refers to Skyway, at least he was one of its managers many years ago and visited the Skyway meeting. That of course means nothing. All other "facts" are not supported by anything and most of them are definitely falsified. That is very primitive attack site, absolutely not reliable. Wikipedia has very strong policy about publishing unchecked negative information about living persons: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" so let's not even waste time to it until strong reliable sources mention it. Dron007 (talk) 14:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]