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Should we put the US official claim that Iran is responsible for the attack in the infobox?? Wouldnt that be WP:UNDUE?--SharabSalam (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Same could be said about the May one - I would say wait until most reliable sources at least say "Iran as alleged by the US". So fsr they seem to be not doing it yet. Juxlos (talk) 15:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should remain out of the infobox. StudiesWorld (talk) 15:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Juxlos. I don't even think we should add any allegation in the infobox because that would give undue weight to a certain POV. In this case it is obviously UNDUE because it is attributed to a US official and his name isn't mentioned we don't even know his authority. In the May attack article there are some states that have accused Iran like Saudi Arabia and the UAE(I guess) but then in their investigation report they didn't mention Iran. So I think it would be neutral to put "Unknown" in the belligerents section of May attack as well, we can mention that Iran was accused of carrying the attack in the lede paragraph.--SharabSalam (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read the WSJ. Does a second or real official certainly blame Iran? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.51.250.205 (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have access to the WSJ source, even though I had it earlier. IIRC, the WSJ did not directly identify a source, instead attributing it generally to the United States. StudiesWorld (talk) 16:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then do not mention multiple officials. What was generally attributed to the whole country? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.51.250.205 (talk) 16:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reading through the source and I cannot verify that statement in the article. No anonymous officials or anything of the like. I'm removing the WSJ source - the CBS one is pretty easily verifiable though. Juxlos (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please be careful with rumours, they can start wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.51.250.205 (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing Wiki can do is start an edit war, IP. Please take it down about a thousand.02:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Now that we have Mike Pompeo allegation. Is it worth inclusion in the belligerents section? I think it will be not a NPOV. It will give undue weight to a certain POV even if we write (allegedly) because that's the (((belligerents))) section. Nice4What have added Iran again. So we might need to discuss this here first. Allegations in my opinion should be added to the body or even to the lede paragraph but not in the belligerents section of the infobox. Who agree with me?--SharabSalam (talk) 23:33, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- My bad, didn't see this discussion. I say add to lede, but if another country comes forward to blame Iran, we can add to infobox. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

Mehr News Agency (which is on CC-BY-SA 4.0) published this article which contained a watermarked photo - I think it should be valid for this article? Juxlos (talk) 22:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Juxlos: I've uploaded the image and added it to the infobox. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That pic is of the Front Altair, I think? Juxlos (talk) 23:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Japan

Would somebody care to add to the background the context of Japan attempting to act as a mediator between Iran and the US a day prior to the incident? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done -Wikiemirati (talk) 00:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::I'm reading through the source and I cannot verify that statement in the article. No anonymous officials or anything of the like. I'm removing the WSJ source - the CBS one is pretty easily verifiable though. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 16:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 Please be careful with rumours, they can start wars.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.51.250.205|142.51.250.205]] ([[User talk:142.51.250.205#top|talk]]) 16:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:::The only thing Wiki can do is start an edit war, IP. Please take it down about a thousand.02:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 *Now that we have Mike Pompeo allegation. Is it worth inclusion in the belligerents section? I think it will be not a NPOV. It will give undue weight to a certain POV even if we write (allegedly) because that's the (((belligerents))) section. {{U|Nice4What}} have added Iran again. So we might need to discuss this here first. Allegations in my opinion should be added to the body or even to the lede paragraph but not in the belligerents section of the infobox. Who agree with me?--[[User:SharabSalam|SharabSalam]] ([[User talk:SharabSalam|talk]]) 23:33, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 **My bad, didn't see this discussion. I say add to lede, but if another country comes forward to blame Iran, we can add to infobox. [[User:Nice4What|Nice4What]] ([[User talk:Nice4What|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Nice4What|contribs]]) – <small>(Don't forget to share a [[Wikipedia:Notifications/Thanks|Thanks]] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 23:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)