User talk:WikiDan61

Please post all new discussions at the END of the page, to allow for easier chronological tracking! Thank you! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

regarding editing of page AKM Abdur Rouf

dear wikidan61,

all the information used in editing the mentioned page is from the authenticated source. I have bunch of files that that can verify it, only i don't know the proper way to upload it. please help me to construct this page for the honor of a great man of Bangladesh.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwiki911 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Greenwiki911: Files that you have that can verify this information don't really count as reliable sources as we have no idea of the provenance of those files. Wikipedia relies on information published in reputable publications (newspapers, magazines, books, etc. that have editors and fact-checkers) and websites that exercise a degree of editorial oversight. If you can reference such sources, great. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

No Sources - Site Development Group

Dear WikiDan61,

Thanks for replying so quickly.

I received your comment with respect to No Sources. However the only source would be the company their website which I set as a source: www.sitedevgroup.com in addition I could add the Wyoming publication of this company would that be sufficient to get the article approved ?

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boyschook (talk • contribs) 14:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Boyschook: No. Wikipedia is not a business directory covering every existing company. To be included in the encyclopedia, a subject must meet the criteria for inclusion, with specific criteria covering companies. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

manish kr jha wiki page

Hello SIR , I Have created the Manish kr jha wiki page , I have tried to give as much as relevant sources and information for MR manish kr jha . You have marked me to write at position he is associated in PJP Group , I have corrected this as "CHIEF MARKETING OFFICER (CMO) . this details also mentioned in Pandmmall.com of prakash jha , his nephew Mr manish kr jha . can you guide me to remove this deletion warning on my page . I will be helpful for your kind support . as I changed some details as "position" . can I remove this deletion warning on my article by my side or it will be auto removed . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manish techguru (talk • contribs) 08:17, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Manish techguru: You may not remove the Articles for Deletion notice from Manish kr Jha. You may comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manish kr Jha with any information that you think will help inform the community about why you think this article should not be deleted. When the discussion has run its course (usually 7 days, but possibly longer if there has not been sufficient input after 7 days), an administrator will either decide to keep the article and remove the notice, or to delete the article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:41, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Request on 13:07:04, 27 March 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Bostongeorge86

• Bostongeorge86 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:DataHjelpOslo AS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I created a page exactly like this: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intility, why mine is not been approved?

Bostongeorge86 (talk) 13:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Bostongeorge86: Your submission (Draft:DataHjelpOslo AS) has the following problems:

1. It is written in Norwegian. This is the English language Wikipedia: all content must be written in English. If you wish to contribute an article in Norwegian, contribute it at the Norwegian Wikipedia.
2. It contains no references other than the company's own website, meaning there is no indication of the significant coverage in independent media that is needed to show that this organization merits inclusion in Wikipedia.

Yes, your article is substantially similar to Intility, but since that article is on the Norwegian Wikipedia, it is appropriately written in Norwegian. As for the lack of useful sources on that page, that's a problem for the no.wiki community to resolve. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Harlequins Foundation

Hi Dan,

Just got your message about the Harlequins Foundation page. Harlequins foundation is an independent (and registered) charity - an organisation in its own right, whilst being associated with Harlequins FC. Additionally, there is no information on the wikipedia page of Harlequins FC about the charity. The draft is just the beginning of the page. It has its own company logo, website, CEO and staff etc.

Does this not deserve its own page?

Best wishes,

Pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat.Metcalfe.Jones (talk • contribs) 15:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pat.Metcalfe.Jones: Based on the coverage you have provided, it does not apear to deserve its own page. And yes, the charitable foundation surely has its own registration number, it would certainly not exist or have relevance outside of its association with the rugby team. If the article about the team doesn't contain information about their charitable foundation, I suggest you add it. (A small section -- one or two paragraphs -- with suitable citations should do.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:29, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Deleting of Paul Westwood page

I am trying to edit the above page which has a deletion message can you please let me know why? Thanks Joyce Gyimah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyce Gyimah (talk • contribs) 21:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Joyce Gyimah: If you go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Westwood, you'll see that I have explained my deletion rationale: I have found no significant coverage of Westwood or his work. He wrote a book, but I can't find any reviews. He has recorded some stuff, but I find no evidence of any awards won for his music, or any significant coverage of him as a musician. (See WP:MUSIC for relevant criteria.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Paul Westwood/Deletion/Evidence

Dear Dan, many thanks for your reply.

Please find below websites that reference Pauls work in the industry.

All Music https://www.allmusic.com/artist/paul-westwood-mn0000956164/credits

Review of Bass Bible. https://www.thomann.de/gb/ama_verlag_e-guitar_school1.html

Dewolfe https://www.dewolfemusic.com/search.php?code=eUeJG2&id=14521944

Licklibrary https://www.licklibrary.com/store/49370/paul-westwood-az-of-bass-guitar

apm/ Paul Michael Westwood music https://www.apmmusic.com/search/%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22composer%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22Paul%20Michael%20Westwood%22%2C%22operation%22%3A%22must%22%7D%5D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyce Gyimah (talk • contribs) 10:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Joyce Gyimah: Arguing the case here will do you no good. The deletion discussion is open; it cannot be closed until it has run its course. You are free to add your thoughts here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Westwood. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:48, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Request on 16:41:45, 5 April 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Nikolai Petrovich

• Nikolai Petrovich (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Tatiana Stupak (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear User:WikiDan61, as I had updated the article with additional proof and links can you kindly review and provide your comments again?

Nikolai Petrovich (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@Nikolai Petrovich: The changes in the article since I reviewed it appear to be the removal of images by the BOT because of copyright issues, your removal of a citation to Stupak's own website, and the addition of a citation to a website that, although I cannot open it at the moment (office firewall), appears to be an announcement of Stupak's appearance at a charity event. These changes do not alter my initial conclusion that this musician does not yet merit inclusion at Wikipedia (or, at the very least, that you have not yet demonstrated that she merits inclusion). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Confusion about Feedback

Hello,

I'm trying to post a page about a nonprofit organization that states it mission and gives a quick overview of the programs it has. I wrote the material specifically for Wiki. While there will be similarities in the descriptions of the programs, this text was not copied from another source. Can you please point me to what the specific issues are with the article?

I want to be in compliance with Wikipedia's terms and conditions and I appreciate your guidance!

Best, Mariah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgwen19 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mgwen19: The material that exists presently at Draft:The Andrew Goodman Foundation does not appear to be a copyright violation, but the material that was posted 3 days ago was. (There are tools available at Wikipedia for users and administrators to compare the text of the page and the relevant source pages, so claiming that the old copy was not in violation is a pretty hard sell.) Since you have rewritten the material to avoid direct copyright violation, that is no longer a problem, but the present text is still largely promotional. I was not the one who tagged the present draft for deletion, but I don't disagree with the rationale of the editor who did tag it. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Nexus Development Security

Dear, thank you for your comment. i am doing a lot of researches now and every book that i have read so far, describe the phenomena that i describe as " Nexus Development Security. well i don't know if some people use the term like you name it but i don't know if whether i must change the title or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuzjm (talk • contribs) 13:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Yuzjm: Perhaps the books you're reading are not written in English? In English, the noun of this phrase is Nexus; it is a nexus of issues concerning both economic development and security, so the phrase Development-Security is an adjective describing the nexus: hence Security-Development Nexus. In foreign languages such as French or Spanish, the adjective might naturally follow the noun, but not in English. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Yuzjm: Also:

• The Security-Development Nexus. World Bank
• The Security-Development Nexus: Conflict, Peace and Development in the 21st Century. International Peace Academy
• Conflict, Crisis and Security-Development nexus. European Commission
• Whither Post-Post-Conflict Development? Development in the Security-Development Nexus. Africa at LSE

I could go on, but I think I've made the point. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

no litigation

we have observed a concern that you have published an article mentioning of sexual harrassment allegations. This is highly harassment and misconducted.

After the article, deservedly there has been no litigation. We kindly ask you to remove this urgently and never post it again on his or any other places on Wikipedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Helene1982 (talk • contribs)

@Helene1982: Although it is customary not to remove content from other users' talk pages, I will take your removal as a recantation of the prior legal threat you had posted here. Thank you. As for the content of the article, I urge you to enter into the discussion at Talk:Greg Kadel. There you will find that I was originally in agreement with you on the matter, but since the allegations (unproven, perhaps, but not yet retracted) have resulted in loss of significant contracts for Kadel, Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons would have us retain the information in the interest of fairness and neutrality. Again, I urge you to discuss this matter at Talk:Greg Kadel so the entire community can weigh the alternatives. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:04, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you WikiDan61 for your kind advices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helene1982 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Is everything oki now? or can other people go in and give their edit comments?Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helene1982 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Helene1982: I'm not sure what you mean by "is everything OK now?" I've reported your recantation at the Administrators' noticeboard, so that should end that process, but an admin may decide differently (I doubt it). As for the Greg Kadel page, I note that you have not yet commented at the talk page, so that page remains in a state that you disagree with. You are free to engage in the discussion, in a civil manner. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, many thanks for you beeing so quick back to me. Are you talking about taking the edit back to the: Revision as of 18:20, 5 February 2017 ???

is that the one you will take it back to? My english is not perfect, so I dont understand where to leave my comments on your edit?

I just want him to grow again as he is working for various famous magazines and brands again. Since it has not been any actions towards him and the girls doesnt say their names I think it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helene1982 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Helene1982: I'm sorry. I don't understand your question. The Greg Kadel page continues, as of this moment, to contain information about the allegations against him, and his loss of contracts due to those allegations. If you would like to see that information removed, you need to edit Talk:Greg Kadel and make your case there. If your English is not good enough to understand these instructions, I cannot help you further. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

re: 'Causes of Seperation'

Hi,

• 'Causes' is a published novel.
• Available to the public.
• Has decent sales numbers.
• Is book 2 in a series - the first book merits inclusion in Wikipedia.

I believe the preceding points, and not it's award nomination, merit inclusion in Wiki.

How can I patch up the article so it passes scrutiny?

~bdunbar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkdunbar (talk • contribs) 18:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bkdunbar: Taking your points in order:

• Being a published novel is not, in itself, a sign of notability (especially given that Morlock Publishing seems to exist solely for the purpose of publishing Corcoran's books).
• Ditto "available to the public."
• Define "decent sales numbers" (which are unmentioned in the draft, by the way).
• I would argue that the first book does not merit inclusion at Wikipedia, but that's my opinion, and not necessarily shared by the community, but notability is not inherited.

As Causes of Separation has only been nominated for, but not yet won, the Prometheus Award (which does not appear to constitute a "major" literary award, even in the sci-fi genre), it may be too soon for its own article. However, if you can demonstrate that the novel has received significant coverage in independent media, you might make a case for promoting this draft to article status. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Elisabeth Scott

Dear Dan, I have read your message re citations. If you kindly take a look at the webpage www.sigbi.org/bournemouth/Our Inspirational member! you will see an entry regarding Elisabeth Scott. Perhaps you would advise as to whether this will suffice. We have not yet added Dr Doris Odlum. Sylvia A Fox (talk) 13:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sylvia A Fox: It's a weak reference (wherein an organization if claiming for itself the honour of having had a notable member, which is a nice claim to fame, but not independently verified). I'd prefer a stronger reference for the claim, if possible. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Algiers: Capital for revolutionaries

Hello, I saw your notification that my draft about Algiers as a capital for revolutionaries is against the neutrality principle. Since I'm writing for the first time a Wikipedia Article, I wanted to ask if only the title is the problem or also the content? Could you maybe give me some more details?

Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silserchranz (talk • contribs) 21:16, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Silserchranz: Predominantly the title. A better title would be "Revolutionary activities in Algeria". Concentrating on the activities (which the draft mostly does) without giving the impression that Algeria is more or less a hotbed of such activities (unless such a comparison can be drawn from reliable sources which specifically compare revolutionary activity in Algeria to anyplace else) would be a good start. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because... I am sohel sk, Besically I manage the official website of Dev Entertainment Ventures, That Article (http://www.deventertainment.in/password.php) also Written by me its not a copy, so please Remove The Copyright claim as soon as Possible from The Wikipedia page of Password (2019 film) --Sohel1997 (talk) 13:35, 19 April 2019 (UTC) @WikiDan61:

@Sohel1997: The Password page at Deventertainment.in clearly displays a Copyright claim at the bottom of the page. Its text can therefore not be included here at Wikipedia unless someone who can be verified to work with this organization contacts the Wikimedia Foundation. (See WP:Donating copyrighted material.) But if you do this, anyone can take this text and use if for any purpose; is this really what you want? I'm also curious: did the title of the film change from Dark Net to Password sometime during development? The synopsis says that "Dark Net delves into...", but the film's title is Password so the synopsis makes no sense. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sohel1997: You also need to read that pages on WP:COI and WP:PAID. If your job involves editing Wikipedia, you need to make the disclosures on WP:PAID. Ravensfire (talk) 22:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Duplicate drafts with different titles

The duplicates are Draft:Algiers: Capital for revolutionaries and Draft:Revolutionary activities in Algeria. Mitchumch (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I brought this to your attention because you last looked at "Draft:Algiers: Capital for revolutionaries" on 16:48, 18 April 2019. It looks like the creator of the draft you looked at decided to circumvent your assessment that "It is unlikely to be accepted for publication." and published the content the next day on 19 April 2019 under the title "Draft:Revolutionary activities in Algeria". Should I go elsewhere to resolve this issue? Mitchumch (talk) 09:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: I contacted the user on their talk page and gave advice on neutralizing the article, including changing the title. Apparently, not knowing about page moves, they chose to recreate the article at a new title. I still think the draft is problematic. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

My concern is the editor may not return to Wikipedia. Their edit history only consist of two days worth of work - 18 April 2019 to create "Draft:Algiers: Capital for revolutionaries" and 19 April 2019 to move "Draft:Revolutionary activities in Algeria" into article space. Mitchumch (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: I believe the draft that has been published should be returned to Draft space. It is clearly not ready for publication. If the author chooses not to return to finish it, it will eventually be deleted as an abandoned draft. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: I see no evidence that Draft:Revolutionary activities in Algeria has been moved to article space. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:30, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry. I thought the title may have the term "Draft" in it, but still register as an article space page. I think that may be what the author thought they were doing. Why else would that person create a second page with duplicate content and different title? Mitchumch (talk) 12:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: Because I told them to. (Well, not exactly, but I did tell them that the article title was highly problematic. (You can see the brief discussion here on my talk page, a few topics up from this one.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:13, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Do you want a new user to also initiate a deletion request for one of the articles? I can understand the move function, but it seems a bit much to ask a new user to clean-up this mess. Mitchumch (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

So, fix it. You found a problem. You don't need my permission to fix the problem. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Gasoline Lollipops

Hi Dan, this is Adam Perry from Gasoline Lollipops. I just came across a Gasoline Lollipops entry someone created, and wow, it looked messy and didn't include many references. I corrected some biographical history and added articles from six reputable publications on the band, which won Denver Westword's "Best Country Artist" award in 2016 and 2018 and has won Colorado Daily's "Best Local Band/Musician" award three times (2014, 2015 and 2017). Will you please confirm the Wikipedia entry for Gasoline Lollipops will go live? My email address is mppedro@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:300B:5CF:4000:18DF:6C3D:CC75:8C09 (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@2603:300B:5CF:4000:18DF:6C3D:CC75:8C09: Adam, I believe you've already been warned about the conflict of interest issues involved with writing about your own band. Also, your updates have already been reviewed by another editor and found still insufficient to move forward to publication. Basically, you might be a hot band in Denver, but Wikipedia wants a broader indication of notability. (See WP:BAND). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 02:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing Jess Hynes

Sorry wikiDan - I am completely new to Wikipedia and only recently began to be concerned that my page seemed a bit out of wack and needed a bit of clean out and an update. I have only today been looking at the rules and realise that the information can only be changed by someone who isn't me, so have contacted Wikipedia for help and advice! The changes I have made tell a more expedient, accurate and updated story of my career so far and I would really like to keep them. Is there anything I can do? Mrs Adam Jessica Hynes (talk) 20:57, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mrs Adam Jessica Hynes: As you have been advised, if there are changes you'd like to see on the Jessica Hynes page, please address your comments to Talk:Jessica Hynes. Make clear specifically what changes you would like to see, and offer as much evidence as possible (citations from reliable sources) to verify that your requested changes are legitimate. I'm not sure that "expedient" is a goal we're trying to achieve here at Wikipedia, although accurate and updated certainly are. I note that your changes removed some of the older biographical bits in the article. I'm not sure that's proper: early career history is as important as recent history in showing a full career arc. I also note that you've removed information about "Political activism" despite that information being well-sourced. I'm afraid that sort of information will probably remain in the article: notable persons' political views are considered valid content for an encyclopedia article, especially when the subject has been politically active (making public statements and appearances). As much as we all might like to whitewash our past, we don't get to do that here at Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for your time in replying. Wikipedia have also been in touch and explained the procedure and have been very helpful. I was interested in your statement that 'Wikipedia doesn't work like that' in reference to your speculation that I would not be able to make an edit and remove a section headed 'political activism'. Is 'Wikipedia' a committee of anonymous Internet users who decide what is or isn't relevant or factual via the talk page? If so, how many of you are there and could you explain specifically and in detail the procedure of deciding what is included and what is excluded please? Who makes the final decision? I absolutely and completely understand the need for verifiable facts on an encyclopedia page - although the internet itself is not as vigorously policed as Wikipedia its the best we've got I suppose. My issue is - it is the selection and curation of those 'facts' that may or may not constitute a bias or defamation of a persons life and character. For example - my sit-com 'Up the Women' which was nominated for a writers guild award, is a well documented and historical series given that it was the last one to be filmed at the old BBC TV centre, yet it is omitted from the career section of my page and a quote from a ten year old article in reference to childrens book 'Ants in the Marmalade' which I failed to get published, is included. One could come to the conclusion that in choosing to include a minor failed project from ten years ago over a major completed one that is more recent is deliberately intended to make my life and career look rather shabby. Also in reference to my 'political activism' this heading itself is absolutely misleading. I tweeted once about voting Labour, perhaps i shouldn't have but one tweet does not constitute as 'political activism' 'Political Activity' at most. The most 'political' thing I do is visit schools and support drama departments because they are struggling. I don't think this is political I just think it's the right thing to do. That is supportable fact and yet that is also omitted. You see my point - I have no desire to' white wash' my life but I look forward recieving a lengthy and detailed breakdown of exactly how the facts of my life and career are chosen, compiled and included in the worlds biggest online encyclopedia.

Thank you for your time, I'm sure you have better things to do but I'm thrilled if you don't. Kind regards Mrs Jessica Hynes Mrs Adam Jessica Hynes (talk) 05:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mrs Adam Jessica Hynes: The Wikipedia community is comprised of people like you and me: regular people who decide they want to edit the encyclopedia. There is no "Wikipedia committee", there are just people who have registered an account to edit here. As to how decisions are made as to what content should stay and what content should be removed, it is a matter of discussion and consensus. If you feel that there is information on the page that does not belong, make your case at the talk page. Other users will weigh in on whether your request to remove the material is legitimate or not and if consensus is reached, the material will be removed. But the simple fact that you do not like that the material is there is not sufficient cause to remove it. (Working on the assumption that you are actually Ms Hynes here:) If you are uncomfortable with this publicisation of your past political activities, that discomfort in itself is not sufficient grounds to remove the material. If, on the other hand, you feel (and can verify through some reliable source) that the material improperly portrays your political activism (perhaps a single story was published that misrepresented your views), then the material should probably be removed. But it's all a matter of consensus. Make your point, seek opinions, and then we can move forward with whatever decision is made. (By the way, if you make the point at the talk page, and no one joins the discussion after a week or so, I would not object to you removing the information based on your attempt to build consensus. Just make the attempt.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mrs Adam Jessica Hynes: I've removed the "Political activisim" section from the Jessica Hynes article. Clearly, one tweet and a parody video by the "Siobhan Sharpe" character do not make for political activism. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Joel's draft article "Luna Parc": removal of unrelated images.

Hi Dan,

I just looked at your work (on this article, and on some other articles), and am truly impressed. You keep the best interests of Wikipedia in mind. You contribute intelligently, objectively, civilly, and reasonably. Moreover, you articulate issues with extraordinary clarity. I'm proud to volunteer alongside such high caliber. Thanks for all you do, sir!

Yesterday 9-May-2019, you had removed an irrelevant Wikimedia Commons photograph from the "Luna Parc" draft article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Luna_Parc&diff=896322631&oldid=896321345).

I agree with your action. The photo was just a placeholder until a Wikipedian could get an appropriate (relevant, quality, not in violation of copyrights, etc) image. I planned to try to email Luna Parc founder Mr. Boscarino to ask if he would upload a few illustrative images to Commons. I don't know how or if he'll respond - hopefully he doesn't dismiss me as a spammer. ;-)

Thank you for your vigilance, sir. I wholeheartedly share your desire for good content.

Sincerely,
Joel
JoelDougal (talk) 16:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@JoelDougal: There are placeholder images available at Wikipedia (see, for example, File:Placeholder.png). These images would better serve the purpose of showing that you intend to add an image to your draft, without giving the impression that you are trying to fool people into thinking the park looks different than it really does. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:13, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I understand. You are correct. Thank you, sir. JoelDougal (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Joel's draft article "Luna Parc": removal of 2 See Also links

Hi Dan,

Again, thanks for all you do, sir!  :-)

Yesterday 9-May-2019, you had removed two See Also links from the "Luna Parc" draft article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Luna_Parc&diff=next&oldid=896322631).

I understand your position, and acquiesce to your action.

My goal was to facilitate rapid navigation to the world's two other architecturally-related parks. Notwithstanding, perhaps my hyperlinkage is not the optimal implementation. OK.

Thank you for your vigilance, sir. I wholeheartedly share your desire for good content.

Sincerely,
Joel
JoelDougal (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@JoelDougal: "See also" entries are supposed to link to other Wikipedia articles, not external websites. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

OK. Thank you, Dan.

Joel's draft article "Luna Parc": reliability of cited sources for claims made

Hi Dan,

Again, thanks for all you do, sir!  :-)

Yesterday 9-May-2019, you suggested that the Luna Parc article lacked sufficient evidence that the topic has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Luna_Parc&diff=prev&oldid=896322905).

I've made approximately sixteen improvements to the draft article last night and this morning 10-May-2019 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Luna_Parc). These changes should resolve your concerns. Please give me another chance.

The claims made in the Luna Parc article are factual. They are not opinion, nor speculative. For example, the article does not make claims such as "recruited some of the finest musicians", "hoped that his youth and exuberance would rejuvenate", "thrived financially and artistically", "is seen by many as a beginning step toward great careers", nor "made a generous grant", nor "accomplished vocalist".

The factual claims made in the Luna Parc article are objective. They are not subjective.

The objective factual claims made in the Luna Parc article are neutral. They are not biased towards a point of view.

The objective factual claims made in the Luna Parc article are not based on original research. All claims are based on independent, unbiased, 3rd party, published, cited facts.

The objective factual claims made in the Luna Parc article are not controversial (e.g., allegations of sex abuse, athletes doping, political positions).

No claims made in the Luna Parc article are exceptional, challenged, or contrary to prevailing views of the relevant community. Thus exceptional sources are not required.

I believe the cited sources are highly reliable for exactly the narrow neutral objective factual claims that the Luna Parc article makes. In some citations Wikipedia can count on best-in-class editorial oversight over staff-authored journalistic pieces (New York Times, Tribune Publishing, Morris Communications, Globe Pequot Press, CNN). In some citations Wikipedia can count on excellent editorial oversight over staff-authored journalistic pieces (NJ.com, Discovery Channel, HGTV, Times-Herald Record, Leaf Enterprises, Lee Enterprises). In some citations Wikipedia can count on the publisher being the governing authority (IRS, Luna Parc - e.g., for hours of operation). In some citations Wikipedia can count on the publisher demonstrably being a subject matter experts (SME) and authority in the relevant field supporting the article claim (Oddities: Kralyevich "Weird US", Weird NJ "Weird NJ", Discovery Channel HGTV) (Art, especially sculpture and mosaic: SHAMc, SAMA).

In some citations Wikipedia can count on the narrow factual claim relying only on 3rd party published material that was a direct recording of reality (e.g., still photographs of property, still photos of art, audiovisual video recordings of artist being interviewed, audiovisual video recordings of property being physically toured). Thus somewhat less faith needs to be placed in the publisher or the publisher's fact-checking and editorial processes. For example, an visual image of the bright yellow and orange and green colors obviates a fact-checker evaluation of the journalist's text assertion "bright colors". Wikipedia's journalistic goal remain verifiable fact, and that goal is met by the image.

No source cited in the Luna Parc article has a poor reputation for checking the facts, or a real or apparent conflict of interest.

All sources cited represent pieces that are dedicated to Luna Parc. None were just indirect references, tangential discussions, or just passing mentions.

I've analyzed every citation below in an effort to honour your time. Hope this helps:

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 4 publishing sources to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims in Wikipedia articles regarding matters anywhere in the world:

• New York Times (2 articles)
• Chicago-based Tribune Publishing Company - formerly Tronc, Inc
• Atlanta-based AT&T WarnerMedia Cable News Network (CNN)

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 published source to be sufficiently reliable for many objective factual claims (existence, owner, structures, landscape, materials, appearance, artwork, artifact collection, artist, backstory) in Wikipedia articles regarding Home and Garden matters anywhere in the world:

• Tennessee-based Discovery Channel HGTV show: https://www.hgtv.com/videos/luna-parc-0197276

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publishing source to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims in Wikipedia articles regarding matters in or around New Jersey USA:

• Advance Local's New Jersey On-Line LLC NJ.com

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publishing source to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims in Wikipedia articles regarding matters in or around upstate New York USA:

• New York-based GateHouse Media, LLC Times-Herald Record (including recordonline.com)

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publishing sources to be sufficiently reliable for many objective factual claims (location, what inspired artist, when did artist begin, hours of operation) in Wikipedia articles regarding unusual travel destination anywhere in the world even if the content were contributed by the destination's owner:

• Washington DC-based Atlas Obscura - covers world

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 3 published sources to be sufficiently reliable for many objective factual claims (tax status as charity, open house hours, uses of buildings, materials used by artist, images showing appearance of property, images showing personal art displayed at property, existence and charter of the managing Foundation) in Wikipedia articles regarding real property even though the content is published by the property's owner:

• https://www.lunaparc.com/untitled-component_14104
• https://www.lunaparc.com/paintings
• https://www.lunaparc.com/insects-and-arthropods
• https://www.lunaparc.com/
• https://www.lunaparcfoundation.org/www

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 2 publishing sources to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims (existence, location, appearance, elements, significance, backstory) in Wikipedia articles regarding odd curiosity matters in or around New Jersey USA:

• New York-based Kralyevich Productions, Inc "Weird US" TV show (all 50 states)
• Bloomfield NJ-based "Weird NJ Inc" (books, TV show)

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publishing sources to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims (legal name, director, purpose, tax exemption status, type of org) in Wikipedia articles regarding U.S. Federal Tax matters in the USA:

• Cincinnati-based Internal Revenue Service (IRS)

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 2 publishing sources to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims (artist, artist medium, artist's expertise, artist's work) in Wikipedia articles regarding ceramic and other art matters in the USA:

• Florida-based Safety Harbor Art & Music Center (SHAMc) - covers USA
• Pennsylvania's Society of American Mosaic Artists (SAMA)- covers USA

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publisher source to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims in Wikipedia articles regarding unique matters in any state within the USA:

• California-based Leaf Group's "Only In Your State" - covers USA

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publisher source to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims in Wikipedia articles regarding matters (including visiting artists and art exhibits) within approximately 21 states (40%), including Iowa, of the USA:

• Iowa-based Lee Enterprises (NYSE-traded)

I believe reasonable Wikipedians would consider the following 1 publishing source to be sufficiently reliable for most objective factual claims (existence, location, appearance, elements, significance, backstory) in Wikipedia articles regarding odd curiosity matters in New Jersey USA:

• Morris Communications Globe Pequot Press book "New Jersey Curiosities: Quirky Characters, Roadside Oddities & Other Offbeat Stuff"

To address your (legitimate) concerns, I erred on the side of citation clutter. At least that will protect Wikipedia from future linkrot.

Thank you for your vigilance, sir. I wholeheartedly share your desire for good content.

Sincerely,
Joel
JoelDougal (talk) 22:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

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WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

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draft:Hugo Freund

@WikiDan61: Hello! A have a question about the article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hugo_Freund). Can you review this article and post it on the site? Thank you! Earth0001 (talk) 14:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)Earth0001

@Earth0001: I've taken a look, but I do not choose to publish the draft at this time for the following reasons:

1. The draft does not use inline citations, which help readers understand which references verify which facts of the article.
2. The subject does not, in my opinion, meet the criteria for inclusion at Wikipedia. The sources you've listed are not evidence of significant coverage of Freund; rather, they are images of his jewelry store, of some products from his store that are currently for sale as antiques, and a database listing of him as one of the sadly too many victims of the Holocaust. (The fact that the entry is translated from cs.wiki is not significant. Each Wikipedia community maintains their own standards for what is and is not included; clearly the cs.wiki community has not (yet) decided that this article should be removed.)

Should you wish to improve the article and have it re-evaluated, I suggest you use the WP:AFC process so that your request for review will receive a wider audience. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:29, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

talk

Hello! I would like to write that this person is part of our family history and I am doing everything possible so that my grandfather was on Wikipedia. Yes, we, as a continuation of our family history, are trying to resume his business. But, first of all, naturally, it is about the person himself. In my opinion, every talented person who died during the Holocaust has a place to be on Wikipedia. This is a kind of encyclopedia in which worthy people deserve to be alive or dead. Please add this article just because other people can edit it and add new links.

Thank you! Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: I applaud your dedication to your family history, but Wikipedia has rather strict rules about who or what gets included, and I'm afraid that your opinion about the inclusion of your grandfather's biography does not agree with those rules. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:43, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

talk

Sorry, but I had to search the magazine of the 1930s in the Czech archive, where there is a huge article about Hugo Freund. The same article was added to the article (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Freund_%26_Co). In my opinion, this is a serious confirmation of its significance and existence in general. What else do you need for add this article? Thank you in advance. Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: I don't see the reference to the article you're talking about at either the en.wiki draft or the cs.wiki article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

You do not see my link? This magazine is in the article about his company “Hugo Freund & Co” (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Freund_%26_Co) on the Czech Wikipedia. Vintage black and white magazine in 1933. If you do not see it, I can send on email.Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: No, I don't see a link to any magazine article on cs:Hugo Freund & Co. I see:

• A link to a slideshare page with pictures of Freund's shop (but no magazine article)
• A link to the Holocaust database listing for Freund
• A link to a collectors' website listing a lipstick holder sold by Freund
• A link to what appears to be a website that sells collectible paper artifacts, which in this case, happens to be a stock certificate from Freund's company

Did I miss something? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 00:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I found these links on the Internet, the rest I found in the archives of the Czech State Library. The pages of the article are much larger (about 10 pages), I uploaded only a couple of photos. Naturally, I can provide you with a link to the whole article. I can add a photo directly to the article, if it helps me. What do you think?

Thank you WikiDan61 for your kind words and advices. I'll take them seriously. Thank you for communication. Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: It took me a while to figure out that this link is actually a series of photographs of pages from the Czech magazine Časoměr. I don't speak or read Czech, so I can't be sure, but this appears to be an advertising supplement so I'm not sure it's a great source. In either case, rather than referencing the source as a slideshare page, I've recreated the reference as a magazine citation, with a link to the slideshare site as an archive. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Yes, this magazine is in Czech. If you want I will try to translate it. If I understand correctly, it is better to load all pages, for example, on a dropbox and add to the article as a source? would it help me?Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: No, that would not be a good idea. Publishing material online that you don't own the copyright to is problematic. A citation that provides the name of the magazine and its publication date is sufficient: the magazine is likely archived somewhere that someone could access to verify, and that's sufficient. If you could please translate the magazine's date of publication, and update the citation template (replace "year = 1933" with "date = ...") to provide more accurate information about the publication, that would be terribly helpful. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Please, look at my article, I corrected the title of the link to the magazine and added two new categories. Earth0001 (talk)

@WikiDan61: Hello! I followed your instructions all the time. Tell me please, is this enough? Will you add an article? Thank you. Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: I'm still not convinced of Freund's notability. A single article about his company is not even sufficient to establish the notability of his company, let alone of the man himself. I suggest you follow the directions at WP:AFC to submit the article for actual review through the AFC process: another editor may reach a different conclusion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:51, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Please look now at my article. Did I specify the code for an open discussion correctly? Did you mean it? Thank you in advance. Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: No. You need to add the "submit" template to the page. At the top of the page, type:

{{subst:submit}}

That will submit the draft for review. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Thank you! Tell me please, is it possible to somehow speed up the review process?Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: Not that I'm aware of. Is there some particular rush? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:39, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Yes there is. Earth0001 (talk)

@Earth0001: Care to explain? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:46, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: If it possible. Thank you. Earth0001 (talk)

Regarding editing of page Record Producers

My removal of information on that page was not a blanket deletion. There is blatantly misleading and false information in that section. The second paragraph begins by saying "They also discovered only 2 percent of music producers are women" which is false, inaccurate, and misleading. The study clearly states that the subset used were producers who had songs on the top 300 charts in america between 2007 and 2017. the data is not there to make such a blanket statement. Furthermore no other section mentions winning awards or chart placements, as it is not relevant to the topic of Record Producers. I don't believe this section should be entirely deleted but in it's current state, it does need to be heavily revised in order to be factual and neutral. MontclairReality (talk) 14:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC) comment added by MontclairReality (talk • contribs) 14:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@MontclairReality: Your edit was bold, but perhaps too bold. It's the kind of thing that should be discussed first. Now that you have opened a discussion, I have no problem with the edit as those who watch the page closely will weigh in on your arguments. (I no nothing of the topic, so I will not weigh in on the merits of the arguments.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Dont kid urself pal u love d the edits realistically — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherwoodoj (talk • contribs) 10:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Argh

Sorry for the mixup at Chemtrails; I don't know how I applied the wrong revert. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

GOCE June newsletter

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Can you let me know why you rejected Continuous Innovation Framework

Hi Dan,

Apparently, you rejected the page I suggested on the COntinuous Innovation Framework. Could you let me know what was wrong or missing, so that I can fix the propose a better version?

BR.

Arent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arentvantspijker (talk • contribs) 20:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Arentvanspijker: I'm sorry my comments on the draft itself were not sufficiently clear. Let me attempt to clarify. In order to be considered for inclusion at Wikipedia, a topic (the Continuous Innovation Framework, in this case) must have been covered in some significant fashion by some media outlet that is independent of the topic. In this case, that would mean that a newspaper, magazine, scholarly journal or major website (one with a record of editorial oversight) has published a full article (not just a blurb or announcement) on the topic, not written by anyone involved with the topic. The references you provided in your draft link to articles about the concepts on which CoIn is based, but not to any articles that discuss CoIn at all. If you can show that this concept has been covered significantly, the draft can be re-reviewed. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello WikiDan61,

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Backlog

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Rewritten - will this be approved?

PFA92 (talk) 08:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Proposed copy for Advance A/S article

Advance is a Copenhagen-based advertising and marketing agency. It is currently one of the largest independent agencies in Denmark, employing over 60 people. The agency is known for its work with LEGO, Coloplast, Piz Buin and Ipren. History The agency was founded in Copenhagen in 1976 as a result of the Ted Bates network winning Playmobil as a new client. LEGO was a pre-existing client and having Playmobil as a new client meant there was a conflict of interest. The solution was to create a new agency. This resulted in the development of Advance, the new spin-off agency, who would continue working with LEGO. Clients LEGO LEGO is Advance’s oldest client with a partnership totalling more than 40 years. Advance’s defining moment with LEGO came with LEGO Bionicle – a subsidiary of the LEGO Technic series and, according to LEGO CEO (1979-2004), Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen, “… a huge contributing factor in reviving LEGO at a critical time”. Unlike previous LEGO themes, LEGO Bionicle utilized an original story universe disseminated across various media channels to prove a context for the toy. Set in an alternative fantasy universe it followed the good versus evil saga of the Toa – a tribe of heroic cyborgs. Launched in Europe and Australasia in 2000 and then the Americas in 2001, it became a bestseller for LEGO over its 10-year lifespan. Production was discontinued in 2010 before a 2-year revival in 2015. The success of Bionicle led to Advance having input on other collaborative projects such as Hero Force and Eco Force, as well as creating campaigns and storytelling for the LEGO Friends, LEGO Disney and LEGO DC Super Hero Girls lines. Adapting to change – Advance webpage Coloplast Coloplast is a Danish global company that focuses on creating medical devices and services related to ostomy, urology, continence and wound-care and is known for its innovative, state-of-the-art products. Since 2009, Advance has acted as Coloplast’s Global Lead agency for Continence and Ostomy Care. As well as creating numerous materials and campaigns for Coloplast’s products, Advance worked with the brand to develop the interactive app, WheelMate, which allows users to find and asses wheelchair-friendly toilets and parking spaces so that others can locate and use these toilets when necessary. There are now 100,000 WheelMate users around the world. Piz Buin Johnson & Johnson brand, Piz Buin, is a premium European sun care brand and has been client of Advance since 2009. In 2015, Advance created the “Where have you been?” brand platform which continues to drive growth in key markets. In 2016, Piz Buin achieved their highest market share goals to date. IF If is a property and insurance company with more than 3.6 million customers in the Nordics and Baltics. Since becoming a client in 2017, Advance have helped to create IF’s new strategic communication platform for the Danish market. Ipren Ipren is a brand of Ibuprofen in Sweden and a client of Advance since 2013. During Advance’s tenure, Ipren went from the #3 to the #1 painkiller brand in Sweden. Widex Widex is a Danish company, and sixth largest hearing aid manufacturer in the world. Advance have helped them develop several successful campaigns and product launches. CHR Hansen CHR Hansen is a global bioscience company that develops natural solutions for the food, nutritional, pharmaceutical and agricultural industries. Since being a client of Advance, the agency has helped them communicate their technical knowledge to multiple audiences, playing a key role in creating campaign concepts and communication strategies. DOT DOT is the public transport organisation which operates across Sjælland/ Zealand. Advance helped them to communicate the benefits of public transport across all media. In 2016, Advance helped them develop a new app, ‘Pendlertjek’. This app allowed commuters to check their journey time, the best mode of transport, costs per month, effects on transport and even how many calories can be burned depending on the transport chosen. Nilfisk Nilfisk is a company which specialises in professional cleaning equipment for industrial, commercial and consumer markets. They are headquartered in Denmark. As a client of Advance, the agency produces a full spectrum of global communications services, from B2B to B2C. Takeda Takeda is a global healthcare agency and one of the top 20 pharmaceutical companies in the world. As their agency, Advance help them to build their OTC portfolio as well as promote their individual’s product brands across many digital platforms in Norway and Denmark. o.b. Owned by Johnson & Johnson, o.b. specialise in feminine hygiene products around the world. Advance created the “Be comfortable in your own panties”, campaign through video, print and digital assets in the Nordic regions. Coop Coop is a Danish retail company and one of Denmark’s most successful online retailers. Since becoming a client of Advance in 2014, the agency has helped to promote their beauty offerings through visual identities and campaigns implemented on the company’s own platforms. Awards Advertising Effectiveness Award in Denmark & USA Selected Partners Responsive Ghost VFX IUM Worldwide Partners SEO.dk Novasa The NetworkOne UserNeeds Sir Lancelot Geelmuyden Kiese Verdens Bedste Kollega Spring/Summer

@PFA92: This copy still reads largely as an advertisement for the Advance agency. It lacks any sources, and the company's claim of notability appears to be that it works with notable companies, but notability is not inherited. You'll need to tone down the promotional language, and provide independent sources to verify the article's claims and the company's notability. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for clarification

Dear WikiDan61, Greetings for the day, Could you please let me know why my "Anant Chaturdashi link was removed" if any thing wrong in article please tell me i will correct for future articles.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by D CHANDRA MOHAN RAO (talk • contribs) 14:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia's external links policy, only links to reliable third party sites that can provide information beyond that which is contained in the article should be included. The site you're linking too appears to be a personal blog site whose purpose is to advertise various Indian travel services, and therefore does not qualify as a reliable third party site. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Peterborough Ontario Mayor - Refusal to enforce bylaws

The mayor has stated publicly she refuses to enforce the by-laws. This is proven through her direct statements. https://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/news-story/9548432-despite-new-bylaw-peterborough-not-evicting-homeless-campers-mayor-says/ "Just know that even though there's a bylaw, it's not actively going to be enforced."

The statement that she refuses to enforce bylaws is accurate.

Can you help me understand what wasn't correct? Trevormerritt (talk) 20:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Trevormerritt: The version you have most recently added (On August 13, 2019, Peterborough City Council unanimously passed a by-law to eliminate camping in City Parks. Mayor Therrien has stated publicly she will not allow the police to enforce the bylaws as written.) is neutral. The prior version:

Ms. Therrien dragged around the argument 'The Parkway is an antiquated idea, and should not be built.' as one of her arguments. With the progression of the parkway and growth of business, she regrouped and has used her current position to continue her vindictive hatred toward progress. There has been a motion to waste $300,000 on a pair of houses that are in the path of the parkway. Ms. Therrien has also refused to allow police to enforce local by-laws. Victoria Park, located in the downtown core, has been overrun with a horde of drug addicted vandals and the park has become unsafe for the general public. Multiple stabbings have occured in and around the park]. Local business people have been robbed and assaulted.

was entirely non-neutral, specifically in the italicized sections. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Most of those statements are accurate and can be backed by citations. I will do better going forward.

Thank you for the input. I'll keep getting better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevormerritt (talk • contribs) 23:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Trevormerrit: Accuracy and neutrality are not mutually exclusive. While it may be true that Therrien made the argument that "the parkway is an antiquated idea", your choice of the language that she "dragged around" the argument makes the statement non-neutral. Similarly, while it may be factually true that she proposed spending $300,000 on renovations of two houses, your representation of that expenditure as a waste of money is non-neutral. Please do take care to avoid such injections of personal opinion into articles in the future. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey Honey.

Seems that facts aren't quite what you're looking for. The stabbings in the park is associated, with the park. The stabbings of people from the encampment on the streets surrounding them, are from the park. You are not aware of the situation and your continued reverts show a bias against that which is documented, cited, and available for review by all.

Please show me what is inaccurate. I've cited all but 1 statment as I am unsure how to state that one hasn't done something and prove it. She hasn't made a statement on record, and the petiution is available. Given that its in the cited article, one can conclue its public and accessible to all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevormerritt (talk • contribs) 12:35, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Much the way I can't cite that Canada has never invaded Pakistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevormerritt (talk • contribs) 12:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Trevormerritt: You added to the article In the weeks prior to the August 13th council meeting, a number of violent crimes were comitted by those camping in the park. You then proceed to list a number of crimes:attempted murder:

1. There was an attempted murder cited to this source which confirms there was a stabbing, but not that the suspect was someone camping in the park.
2. there was a local business person beaten and robbed cited to this source which explicitly states "It’s unclear if the suspects were staying at the park."
3. multiple stabbings cited to this source which makes no mention of the park or its homeless occupants; and this source which explicitly states "there was no immediate word on whether the stabbings were related to the tent cities."
4. the drug trade cited to this source which (you might be surprised) makes no mention of anyone from the tent city being involved in the drug trade.
5. and intimidation cited to this source which deals with the fear that the homeless experience living in these conditions, but not to intimidation (and specifically, not to intimidation by the park residents of other city residents).

The point is that you're citing a lot of crime in the neighbourhood and blaming it on the homeless in the park, whereas none of the sources do so. And by including all this material in the article on Diane Therrien, you are implicitly blaming her, even though none of the sources have done so. Your tone in replying to me indicates that you are more interested in airing your grievances than in having a meaningful discussion about the merits of your edits. If you continue to edit in this manner, I will be forced to take this matter to the Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard where administrators will evaluate your edits and take appropriate actions. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your input.

I am concerned for the safety of those being stabbed, robbed, and intimidated in and around the park. I apprecieate you are not at risk of being stabbed while you walk to work, but that is the reality that was not the case prior to the 'tent city' being established.

I will happily document the history of the events on a page that links to Ms. T's page as her clear refusal to enforce bylaws, she has taken responsibility for it.

You have also removed a number of items that are very clearly stated.

Here is a review with the specific statements from the cited articles.

Misinformation was spread claiming no availability of shelter beds[5]. - There has been empty beds the whole time. The table that was there and the items below show the number of available beds.

In the weeks prior to the August 13th council meeting, a number of violent crimes were comitted by those camping in the park. There was an attempted murder[6], - Micah Drynan, 27, of age of no fixed address <-- This stabbing was < 50M from the park, the stabber was staying in the park.

there was a local business person beaten and robbed[7] - Noah Eggleston, 22, of no fixed address, has been arrested and charged with robbery <-- Again, resident of Tent City. - Jacob Collins, 32, of no fixed address, is charged with robbery. <--- Another tent city resident.

multiple stabbings[8][9] The building at 610 George St. North is a known drug house. This may not be 100% tent city related, but shows the increased crime in the downtown core. The next citation has very little question. Perhaps more context relating to this article would be appropriate. - Known drug city --> https://globalnews.ca/news/4027532/peterborough-police-seize-drugs-loaded-handgun-in-bust/

multiple stabbings[8][9] "Police say the stabbing injuries are related and may have happened at or near Victoria Park." "Yellow police tape was placed around the entranceway of the St. John Centre retirement home and along the sidewalk along Water Street leading up to the entranceway. There was also police tape up around the fountain in Victoria Park for the investigation.

A forensic investigation unit van was at the scene and officers searched the area with flashlights." "But there was no immediate word on whether the stabbings were related to the tent cities." - to summarize, the police say it may have happened where they had a forensic investigation using flashlights to collect evidence, while keeping those arrested in custody.

the drug trade[10] "The Peterborough Police Service says an officer on foot patrol observed alleged drug activity taking place in the park on Water Street shortly after 4 p.m." - The officer observed a drug transaction and arrested the person with cocaine. Sounds like drug activity.

• • and intimidation[11]

"Donald Eric Robinson, 35, of no fixed address, was charged with causing a disturbance and resisting a peace officer. He was released and will appear in court Aug. 1."

• • Those in the park agree it is a dangerous place.[12]

"An unemployed and homeless personal support worker who's been living in a tent at Victoria Park since late June says she and her fiancé take turns sleeping at night for fear of being robbed." "She says one man with a mental health condition howls all night. Cars drive by and people pelt objects at the campers and yell at them to get jobs. Campers fight one another."

With these statements, one can conclude that the tenter is in fear and takes turns sleeping as there are dangerous conditions.

• • To respond to the new grouping of homeless, City Council voted unanimously to open 30 additional beds on an emergency basis[13]

30 new beds opened. It was a good move for those in need.

• • even though beds were still available[14].

4 beds were available before the 30 additional beds opened.

• • One complaint in the shelters are drugs, violence, and sexual assault[15].

"Keith says he has stayed at the Warming Room and Brock shelters, but feels more comfortable in a tent once the weather warms. He says there are a lot of problems at the shelters, including drugs, fights and people stealing.

“I was in the Warming Room one time and somebody actually came and peed in my bed,” he explains." - Being urinated on is sexual assualt.

• • One encampment is located at St. John's Anglican Church[16].

"St. John's congregation has been accepting of the campers, Smith said.

"I think most of the congregation understand that we have a front lawn and there are people who need a place to stay." "

• • Neighbours of the St. John's Anglican Church site feel unsafe living next the encampment[17]

"Tenants at the apartment say it's been "hell" living next to the church for the last few weeks." ""We don't feel safe in this building," one woman said." ""I'm petrified now," Sanders said."

• • Over 1700 members of the local community have signed a petition[18]

1701 had signed as of the time I looked.

• • Therrien has not yet responded to the petitionTemplate:NO CITATION

I am unsure how to cite something that hasn't happened. Much like Canada has never invaded Pakistan, I can't reference something that doesn't exist.

• • On August 9, 2019, the church put up a sign indicating they did not want any additional campers[19]

I should have linked to the original Twitter post. https://twitter.com/patchcollecter/status/1159532595740385282

The table shows the numbers as reported by the city.

I see some areas to adjust, I'm just curious how so many of them, with specific quotes from the articles, ruffles your feathers so much? Trevormerritt (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)