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Your removals of links to www.idea.int

I apologize, I was unaware that site owners or representatives should not create external links to their own websites (though this of course generally is a good rule). I do think the link itself qualifies though. International IDEA is a NGO with 24 member states working on research on and promotion of different aspects of democracy, gender, electoral processes etc., and the actual link pointed to a page summarizing the institute's up to date info on the country at hand. It was not my intention to break any rules of Wikipedia and in the future I will suggest my link to be added on the discussion page instead of adding it myself. Btw - by mistake, I was not logged in when I added some of these links. Cheers // Petrux 10.08 1 november 2006 (UTC)

- Siobhanan No, I am not connected to the Baptist Healing Trust or to the Journal of Sacred Work. But I have studied this organization and believe my information is completely accurate. Mary thayer 20:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)Mary Thayer

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Architectural visualisation

I'm quite happy to see it go, but how come there isn't an AfD - is dictionary definition a speedy delete criteria? --Mcginnly | Natter 14:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You'd probably get more coverage at WP:WPARCH. --Mcginnly | Natter 15:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

artist's own entry

hi siobhan please take my entry down.. i was simply trying to get a link from wikipedia to my website to get some traffic because these images get little exposure (search engines search text not image). i'm an emerging artist and i thought there was no crime in putting an entry like this up. i now know that wikipedia doesn't work that way. sorry for the trouble, richard —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richardmosse (talk • contribs) .

External Link about Auto Recycling

Hi siobhan, Why did you remove the "auto recycling" link from the Car Donation page. It was a great, very relevant article about "Where Old Cars go" with information you can not find anyplace in Wikipedia?--mp 16:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand you are concerned about the source of the article. The figures have been taken from a magazine published by Geico Car Insurance (Please click on the external link and see the left side). Unfortunately, Geico did not post the information on their web site, www.geico.com

When people call our charity to donate their car, they very often ask: What will you do with my old car? Or they will say: My car is not running. Can it still beneficial to your charity?

I could rename the external link to: "What charities do with cars that are not running" if that will help. I honestly believe that people who will read the car donation article in WIkipedia will find this link very informative and relevant.

I could ask the web designer to take out any information in the page you feel is soliciting too strongly for car donations.

Thank you so much for your time and effort.--mp 17:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

CTRL, ALT, DELETE

hi siobhan, thanks for referring this to art specific editors. my biggest concern was having to try and justify myself in terms of importance (by modifying the entry to contend with an editor's assertion of my work as "exceedingly minor") when that wasn't at all my intention in making the entry in the first place. i am an emerging artist and make no bones about my career being exceedingly minor at this stage. i was a little disappointed that the wikipedia process forced me down the path of commodifying myself. but that's essentially the problem of making a wiki entry on yourself, and i shouldn't have even tried. but live and learn. i would rather the entry comes down until someone else puts one up there, if ever. and i'll scour the web for other ways to link to my website. in the meantime, i'd be delighted to make a few wiki posts on the art scene that i am in touch with. can you point me to a set of wikipedia's ground rules on expanding the vaults? thanks, Richardmosse 18:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)richardmosse

Liberty-search link

Hello,

I have edited my search engine so that it would better fit the needs of the wikipedia community: by clicking the "about this website and how to contribute"-link, people can find out who has made it and which websites it searches. I hope you don't mind me putting the links back without prior discussion - I really think the website is a valuable device - it instantly provides a libertarian perspective on just about any subject one can imagine. (about the 'Liberty Search'-link on the articles 'liberty', 'libertarianism', and 'classical liberalism'.) Demoscho 16:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Demoscho (talk • contribs) .

Asset_Protection External Links

Hello, I just received a message from you that you removed those two links I added to Asset Protection. Both links are to websites that are extremely helpful, written by experts in the field, and are non-commercial. I am a new user of Wikipedia, but have been browsing for years, and I believe those links are consistent with my many positive experiences on the site.

Tom Boone

Hi Siobhan,

I am not sure if I am writing this in the "correct" place. I am just learning the Wiki interface here and, believe me, it is not entirely intuitive.

I appreciate your taking the time to help me edit the pages pertaining to social entrepreneurship and Bill Drayton. Bill was extremely disappointed in what information was out there before and I am doing my best to better explain. I expect that I will be continuing to try to rewrite these pages to more accurately reflect who we (Bill, Ashoka, and the leading social entrepreneurs) are and what we mean by these concepts.

I am not sure exactly what changes you made or did not make -- so it is difficult to indicate whether I agree or disagree. I will do my best to comply with your Manual of Style.

Thanks again!

Tom Boone (tboone@ashoka.org) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomboone (talk • contribs) .

Bull Terrier

I lurk on this one - and wonder whether the 'famous' owners needs a perusal - there are some dubious looking entries there - just thought I'd ask anyone doing anything on it for a check? SatuSuro 23:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

ATP Links

The links I added explained more about the cleanroom industry and how cleanrooms are used. We provide general cleanroom information as well as sell the products. Cleanroom products are bought based on specifications rather than advertising. Advertising is a bit pointless in this business. The Wikipedia cleanroom and static control articles are a bit sparce so I was trying to expand on them. There is no really site that isnt commerical that gives detailed useful information on cleanrooms and static control except maybe the societys, but they are funded by industry so... *shrug* 83.141.103.162

Most where articles talking about a particular topic? Where they moved to a convertsation topic? Those topics where no currently covered. Wikipedia gives no really indication about how each product is designed for this sort of environment. Nor a really understanding of the materials. The items links makes sense to be deleted though due to the guidelines, but I would repeat no one in this industry would buy one of these products from reading about it on wikipedia. Thousands of euros could be lost. Wouldnt happen.83.141.103.162

Its B2B purchase. Not B2C.

No one in this industry would buy one of these products from reading about it on wikipedia. Thousands of euros could be lost. :::Wouldnt happen.

Purchases are made by evaluated material specification and shippment costs.

Please then go through appropiates sites yourself and add extra content to explain how cleanrooms environments are ran, built and how static control is used in the real world ex in painting, printing, manufacturing.

Otherwise other sites will have a much better explaination than wikipedia.

Conversation

83.141.103.162 10:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)83.141.103.162

Gigmasters

Thanks for the heads up. I've protected the pages against recreation and indef blocked the latest account as an abusive sockpuppet. Best, Gwernol 16:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What is a sockpuppet? Thanks, Jeter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.86.122.229 (talk)

According to Wikipedia, a 'sockpuppet' occurs when another user account created secretly by an existing wikipedian, generally to manufacture the illusion of support in a vote or argument. Also, particularly on AfD, a friend of an existing Wikipedian who has created an account solely for the purpose of supporting that wikipedian in a vote (this special case is often called a meat puppet). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.86.122.229 (talk)

I would also like to thank those who helped get Gigmasters.com back onto Wikipedia. The references were key. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gigmasters (talk • contribs) .

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Your edit to Category:Handmade Wedding Stationery

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Really not vandalism. --Siobhan Hansa 18:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverting link to Letterpress Printing

Hello Siobhan,

Forgive me if I'm not writing in the right place or not following proper etiquette in some way. This is my first time using Talk. I am the person who added the external links to the Fine Press Book Association and Codex Foundation yesterday, and I see you have removed the latter.

As a letterpress printer myself I put these up as a possibly useful resource for others interested in letterpress who might want to attend the conferences these associations organize, as they are excellent places to learn about letterpress printing in person. I thought it would also be useful to point to one in the UK and one in the US. (There may be more in other countries, but these are the ones I have either attended personally or know of firsthand through the network of letterpress printers.)

I have read through the guidelines for posting external links and am not sure where I went wrong in posting the Codex Foundation. It is, I admit, a relatively new organization. However, its mission is very similar to the FPBA's, and its fair is equal in scope (and some of FPBA's members will be exhibiting there). It is not about selling books but about education and keeping the book arts, especially letterpress, alive.

So those were my reasons for putting up the link. On the other hand, I'm sure you had a good reason for reverting it, and as a newbie I would be grateful if you could let me know why, so that I can avoid making a similar error in future.

Thanks for your time.

Mmechinita 11:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Cyprus

You are correct. I do not see that there was a mixed BC and BCE pattern. I guss I saw a mixture then, but I do not now see it was so. My mistake. Hmains 18:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hello,

You sent me a message about spamming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rental_agreement with a link to http://www.agreementsetc.com/rental-agreements/ I had added the link because I have actually used that site a few times and found the doucuments to be really helpful, I thought it would be a good resource here.

I am just getting into the Wiki thing so if I am out of line I apologize.

thanks. Legaldocs 20:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

backronym

Thanks for the more reliable source on the article. I have absolutley no connection to the article other than i took it as a challenge to clean it up! The help is appreciated. Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Brokerblogger Message Alert

Hi SiobhanHansa. I just wanted you to know that I just left a message for you at my talk page, and I appreciated the message you left me. Brokerblogger 14:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Image:VCraigJordan.jpg

There isn't anything formal in place. Basically we're just writing to people and asking them, and then forwarding the permission letters to <permissions@wikimedia.org>. I've been using variants of this, but I'm not totally happy with it. It's a fine line because we want to explain to people what we want, which is complicated, without confusing them so much they just give up. —Chowbok ☠ 16:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I forgot about Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission, which seems to the point. —Chowbok ☠ 02:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Marriage edit

There's a slight problem with that: Click on the button on the Table of Contents to hide it and Bad Things (tm) happen. Any ideas? Adam Cuerden ^talk 20:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've got it to something that has non-ideal but acceptable behaviour. It could be better, but I'm not at this moment sure how. Adam Cuerden ^talk 20:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The Combi template was a good idea, but since one i sonly half the width of the other, it left awkward space between the left border of it and the space: Not ideal. It'd work better elsewhere, I'm sure. Adam Cuerden ^talk 21:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Multiple Edits Of External Links - HELP

Hello, Recently I posted a nummber of “external links”, maybe ten or so, under various themes. All seem to have been removed. I am not certain why. Of course it is presumed that nothing is meliciously done and that I have not follwed the rules. I can presume that it looks like I am “spamming” in some way. I can only say that I feel I am not. The only clue I have gotten so far is that in one edit note it says that I was marketing a book. This is ture but I am at a loss as so many other links that are up market books, DVD’s and even ask for funds. Mine is rather discrete and all the links are to ligitamate organizations or to sustiaining or croberating material. The underlying theme is a pychological one and I see it as far reaching and thus the many posts trying to link many subjects. I am affileated with at least three of the grups that have links posted. Here I include a few of the posts you edited and a few comments. So, could you please give me some guidence as to what I can do? (Believe me this is no way to sell books. It is the content of the pages I am trying to get across.) Thank you very, very much. B. Lynch

Entry on “Humilation” “External Links” Just Fight On! Centre Against Workplace Bullying UK raising funds · mobbing.ca (Mobbing resources in Canada) book for sale · Human Dignity and Humiliation Studies book for sale Affect Thoery

The Silvan S. Tomkins Institute selling DVD lints to many other bodks and tapes

Under “Twelve Steps”

I note these books for sale

[edit] AA · The A.A. Service Manual combined with Twelve Concepts for World Service by Bill W.. 2005-2006 Edition, New York: Alcoholics Anonymous, General Service Conference 2005. · Alcoholics Anonymous. The Story of How Many Thousands of Men and Women Have Recovered from Alcoholism, New York: Alcoholics Anonymous, 4th ed. new and rev. 2001, ISBN 1-893007-16-2 ('Big Book'). · Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, New York: Alcoholics Anonymous, 1953, ISBN 0-916856-01-1. [edit] Supporters · "The Steps We Took", by Joe McQ. (of "Joe & Charlie") 1990 August House ISBN 0-87483-151-2 .

I do list a book for sale entitled “Twelve Steps To Emotional Health” on the site but the site is primarily a alternate version of the Twelve Steps. It seems to me a very arbitrary call, books are books.

Under “World Peace”

http://www.peace.ca/ There are many external links one example given here where lots of books are for sale.

I believe I linked my “Twelve Steps to Justice” here. These are principles that are related to The Restorative Justice movement which many think has a basis in Affect Theory (see above). The principles of Restorative Justice have been officially adopted by the U.N. So It is all connected. I am not “just” spamming if that is your thought.

Under “School Violence”

Only one “external link” listed now. Mine was removed no reason given. It was in the from of a “open letter” and with some links to Affect Theory which “we” think is a need “take” on the problem. (I don't understand the instructions about the signature.)

Brian Lynch 3044 North Laramie Chicago, Ill 60641 brianlynchmd.com DrBPLynch@aol.com -

Scott Mitchell (businessman)

I added some comments about the Scott Mitchell article on the article's talk page. The article seems kind of like an advertisement bio to me... please see my comments. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.34.246.37 (talk)

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Heh, I was actually going through Category:Semi-protected unprotecting stuff when I unprotected 529 plan. I've unprotected the other now. -- Steel 17:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Marriage

I'm really interested to see how they deal with my cites. I suspect they'll try to deny them, despite having asked for them in the first place.

P.S. Want a copy of that last cite? It's eminently usable for the article. Adam Cuerden ^talk 18:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Do briefs stink?? protection

Why would it be better to leave it redlinked? Kimchi.sg 13:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I was guessing it might not have been you, but AGF got the better of me so I decided to reply on your page. I've blocked him as an impersonator. Kimchi.sg 14:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[[Removal of link]

My apologies. I fully understand the logic. I despise spam and was primarily trying to share quality information with users. knoxtenn Knoxtenn 15:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Amnesty International

I'm unclear on why you chose to revert my Amnesty edit. Amnesty is often ctiticized and I think stating it give more balance than some which means it's critics are in the minority.Preform 01:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is getting out of hand, did you even look at my edit? I added another Carr nickname for Nancy Pelosi that he has been using ever since the 2006 election. What is the problem?

Chinese Foreign Stereotyping

I specifically mentioned the source: Culture Shock! China by Kevin Sinclair and Iris Wong Po-yee. Why did you delete it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by X911 (talk • contribs) .

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Re: Rajkumar Kanagasingam

I created this article based on another one here at Wikipedia which was done all wrong. I don't know anything about him, or why there is an article. Could be a candidate for deletion actually. — Wackymacs 20:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Though the Rajkumar Kanagasingam was posted by me to the wikipedia originally but wrongly as a newbie (and still feel so), it was actually created by Wackymacs[1] and subsequently shaped by others [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6].

After they all have given notability for Rajkumar Kanagasingam only, I started to shape the Rajkumar Kanagasingam.

The Daily News of Sri Lanka [7] is a Sri Lanka's National Newspaper since 1918 and the widest read newspaper in Sri Lanka and overseas.

Rajkumar Kanagasingam has published articles over the years and the following articles [8], [9], [10] and [11] are available online since 2002.

Though the articles have been written by the subject Rajkumar Kanagasingam, the facts he has mentioned in those articles might have well accepted by the populace without any complaint before he published the next article over the years and might have established some credibility within the Editorial circle as well.

I wonder why those articles can't be considered as Reference for Rajkumar Kanagasingam.

The Press Release in Daily News [12] could speak for Rajkumar Kanagasingam's association with leading Sri Lankan and international personalities and adding notability for Rajkumar Kanagasingam.

The US State Department's Office of Weapons Removal and Abatements "Safe Passage" Newsletter carried a news[13] on "Night of A Thousand Dinners" which was organised jointly by Asian-German Sports Exchange Program and PDIP, A Think Tank which was founded by Rajkumar Kanagasingam.

As the PDIP's Secretary-General, his activities in the available publications (on-line) will speak for his achievements.

All of his above attempts are substantial enough for a fair testimony for his notability among Sri Lankans and gives weight of his book German Memories in Asia which is about-to-be-released.

Ezine Articles may be "Vanity Press" but the contents in most of the articles by Rajkumar Kanagasingam are falling in the lines of well-researched and well-documented articles than those of mere Search Engine Optimization (SEO) ones.

After all his Ezine Articles are linking to his Book/Author Info. Page in AGSEP[14], which is an NGO and not to his personal or affiliated sites with ulterior motives of Ad Sense and click-gimmicks. As an author he is trying his fair attempt for his book without any hidden baits.

Some of the linkings might be Link Farms as I am a newbie of mere three months, but you should consider few of the internationally prominent people I have so far created and those have been left out in the wikipedia so far, especially Dr. Gamani Corea and others.

I have spent lot of my time to keep Dominic Jeeva from deletion with rest of my creations Arumaipperumal and Pandara Vannian which are not falling into the Link Farms.

The Internet is introduced after the mid nineties and still most of the news items are not falling into the web-world. By expecting reference for testing a person's notability with on-line reference materials might be some times misleading where the particular persons' references are mostly in off-line media archives.

Internet is mostly weighing a person's prominence based on the Internet availability in English and few other languages and not in all other world or local languages.

I don't have any objections if suitable and appropriate deleting Rajkumar Kanagasingam from wikipedia, but my kind expectation is at least wikipedia should attempt to have a survey among Sri Lankans through its available means whether Rajkumar Kanagasingam is prominent enough or not among Sri Lankans.

User:Rajsingam 2 December 2006

Global Volunteers

Hi, thanks for improving and deprodding Global Volunteers. The current version is much better and I have no problem with it – Gurch 04:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Hallo! Thanks for your kind advice.

I noted your points carefully and like to brief myself for your kind concern.

As I stated already I never thought of entering into wikipedia but it happened its way.

That is the way I received a Peace Award in 1989 from Srichinmoy, the head of the Peace Meditations at the UN Headquarters, New York on his visit to Sri Lanka for my initiative on a Peace Mission around the world, but it never happened for various reasons.

But the Peace Award changed my world view and made me popular in the island by featuring in various media.

As the recipient of the award and my links with the UN Association of Sri Lanka, I involved in indirect politics and peace initiatives for a lasting solution in the Island.

Other than my above peace attempts I did my Business Administration and a graduate-level course on international affairs and started to lecture on Business Administration and Economics.

At times I combined my lecturing and UN Association links for various charitable purposes.

I founded the PDIP, A Think Tank and spent a lot my time, effort and my own money for various awareness programs on landmine and economic issues.

I did a marathon speech on "world economies" for nearly 20 hours in a day and that gave me a chance to be interviewed and featured in a weekly English newspaper and subsequently gave me a chance to be a Business Reporter for that newspaper for some time and to interview some of the top personalities in the island and overseas and eventually made me a columnist on various issues in the Sri Lanka's leading newspaper, Daily News.

I did a speech in India on "Re-building the Indian Economy beyond natural disasters" to raise fund for Gujarat earth quake victims in 2001 and gave me some popularity among Indians by featuring in the Indian media like "THE HINDU" and other.

My speeches on "Changing Role of the US Economy in the Year 2000 and beyond" and "Globalization and Future Role of the Sri Lanka Trade and Industry" are chaired by Dr. James W. Spain, a former US Ambassador for Sri Lanka and the UN and Dr. Gamani Corea, a former Secretary-General of UNCTAD gave some more prominence.

I did many things by some hidden urge which eventually made me popular among the LTTE and the Government circles and helped a lot in the tsunami time in coordinating things between the Government, LTTE and the NGOs on relief assistance towards the tsunami victims.

I have evidence for all what I did and said above in off-line media archives which are written by others and me and appeared in English and the local languages Sinhala and Tamil, but wonder how I could furnish to wikipedia.

Still I don't know whether I am eligible for the popularity which I gained but things works its way and made me to author the book "German Memories in Asia" which is well documented all what I did and said above and more about the world from the pre-historical times.

User:Rajsingam 2 December 2006

Hi Siobhan, the user above asked me for help as well. I found a link from a Sri Lankan paper and the Sri Lankan embassy in Canada to assert some more notability. I encouraged him to ask myself and other Tamil users to do the writing for him so that we dont violate WP:AUTO and WP:COI. Also I am not a Sri Lankan Tamil, so theres more NPOV. I would love to help Mr. Kangasingam with his article and see him as a good faith contributor whos merely learning a bit. I see from your replies on his talk page that you think the same way. Thanks for helping him out.Bakaman 23:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

User:81.97.107.117

Thanks for spotting that. The IP is taking a time out. If you spot a repeat let me know. Best, Gwernol 22:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Replied comment

Hello Siobhan,

I replied to your comment on my user talk. Please have a look. [15]

Thank you for your welcome. Retrogames 22:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Marriage is being edited to death

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Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Hello Siobhan,

I will try my best to add references by bringing off-line archives into the web.

User talk:Rajsingam 5 December, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rajsingam (talk • contribs) 09:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Restaurants

Hi,

I appreciate your viligence in keeping spam off the restaurant ratings page, but my last edit was not intended as spam. I think that not mentioning any web resources in the restaurant guides section is a glaring omission that should be corrected. I only used Restaurantdb as an example because it is the site I use, and because there is a wiki page for them (I believe internal links are preferrable to external ones?). Would it be acceptable if we added several links? E.g. in addition to restaurantdb, also chefmoz, restaurants.com, citysearch, chowbaby, etc. etc.?

By the way, in my opinion the statement that newspaper reviewers typically return to a restaurant many times to sample the whole menu is a gross exaggeration at best. Only a very few (e.g. New York Times), if any, newspapers have the capability or the inclination to do this. Also, the next statement that newspapers have the best insight into an area's restaurants, pronounced with the certainty of a logical inference (with the "Therefore...") is also a misleading exaggeration. Again, only very large and rich newspapers in affluent areas have the capability or the interest in hiring competent reviewers and covering a large number of restaurants. And in those kinds of places, there will be other resources available (e.g. Zagat's or other specialized guides). My experience with newspaper restaurant guides in small to medium cities has been extremely poor. Just another reason that web resources should be included on this page.

Anyway, I don't know if you wrote that content but you seem to be responsible for the content now. That's my 2 cents.

68.238.87.65 22:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if you'll get this since you're clearly not always at the same IP address so I'll respond here: You make some good points. I don't think of the article (or the wording I reverted to) as mine, but I hate seeing paragraphs I know are going to become blackholes for directory (internal or external) like listings that promote minor examples that don't really enhance people's understanding of the main subject. I've had a go at changing the wording - please feel free to join in. --Siobhan Hansa 17:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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Glad you've had an edit here - but what bit did you consider POV? (The observation that many feel or choose to act as if the marriage did NOT end on death? Well that's why I gave the Lewis ref. It is more than 'tradition' I suggest). Bob aka Linuxlad 18:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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Re: addition of historyinfocus-london.co.uk (City of London 1960s Revisited) external links

Hello Siobhan,

I must admit I was a little bewildered at first when I found that the link I had added, in all innocence to your page, had been deleted. But, then I found your message. So, I am sorry if you thought the link to be inappropriate. I was certainly not intending to seek publicity in any way. But, I am afraid that I am a little new to all this, despite having read what I thought were all of Wikipedia guidelines. So please forgive me.

However, how I came to add my link to your page and other pages about the City of London, is as a result of an e-mail I received the other day. Actually, I receive some very complimentary e-mails about my site from people across the world. But this was the first e-mail I received asking me if I had thought of adding a link to my website from pages about the City of London, on Wikipedia? The writer went on to say that she thought my site, comparing the City as I had experienced it in the 1960s, with today, would be of enormous interest to people. Adding, in her words: “Your photography, especially, is incredible and your pictures, quite beautiful. They bring everything to life! More than often, pictures on the Internet are so small (sometimes postage stamp size), dark and barely discernable. So, how refreshing it is to come across your site!”. What can I say!

I am, therefore, only too sorry you feel that my site would not be a suitable one to link with as an interesting additional resource for readers of your page. But, maybe you might reconsider. Anyway, thank you for your time. 82.27.142.114 01:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The "Flirting" article and "kino"

The seduction community has a term, kino (derived from kinesthetics), for precisely this sort of casual touch. An example would be a woman gently touching a man's arm during conversation.

So, there is a subculture in the world that has a good word for something. It's just like referencing a bit of hacker jargon in an article about operating systems, or a bit of CB lingo in an article about the trucking business. I do want to explain in the article that there is a certain type of touch that is meant here, and I like including the word "kino", one reason being that a curious reader can then type "kino" into a search engine and get relevant results.

I don't want to imply that the seduction community is the only authority on what kind of contact counts as flirting and what doesn't, and eventually I'd like to see several sources on the matter.

Now, how can I rephrase that footnote while preserving the original intent? Squidfryerchef 03:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Jargon and sources

Well, the Manual of Style says to "explain jargon". Im pretty sure we're not supposed to write articles _in_ jargon, but I don't see any problem with saying "there's a subculture that has its own word, 'x', for this".

Now, I know that mentioning _only_ kino as an alternate term, in the only footnote in the "Notes" section, sticks out like a sore thumb. And I know there is a problem with there being more explanation of what "kino" is in the Flirting article than in the "Seduction community" article. But I'd rather leave it as is and allow other material to be added to balance it out.

The reason for singling out "casual touch" to footnote was that it is a very general term. And most of the other terms such as "eye contact" had good links to other articles; linking to the article on the sense of touch didn't do it for me. And I wasn't up to creating a new article on "kino" or "the use of touch in flirtation".

As far as original research, I don't see any problem with people sourcing ( with references ) terms from various subcultures in the article and comparing them, as long theyre not trying to advance a particular thesis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Squidfryerchef (talk • contribs) 05:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

Footnotes vs. references

I noticed that in between my revision and yours, the "kino" footnote was moved into the "references" section. I originally put it in a separate "notes" section on purpose, to show that this was intended as an "extra" explanation and not something we were relying on to prove or disprove a point. Squidfryerchef 06:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for removal of link

Thanks for the removal of the spam link in the numerology article. I saw that and was kind of iffy on whether it was spam or not. Thanks a lot for the removal. :D Tinkleheimer 05:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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external link - africaresource.com

Siobhan,

Please take another look at AfricaResource.com. It is NOT an African-American website unless of course, you are collapsing Africa into African-American experience.

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Regarding Maria Ozawa

Shiryu22 here - wanted to say thanks for correcting my edit. However, this leads me to a question - if the information is unverifiable, should it then be taken off Maria Ozawa's page in the trivia section? I've seen a few articles with iffy trivia sections, and, as thus, am not sure if I should go ahead and remove the reference to Christian Academy in Japan. Shiryu22 06:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thousands of Tamils in London and from overseas paid their last respect to Anton Balasingham, their one time hope for peace in their home land and the LTTE’s theoretician and chief negotiator at Alexandra Palace in north London[16][17][18].

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Balasingham’s casket was placed at the front of the Palace’s Great Hall was escorted in by an honour guard, white gloved and dressed in black suits. After a brief initial ceremony, where hundreds of Tamil activists around the world participated by placing flower petals on Balasingham’s body, followed by a long line of families with children, youth and older Tamils and distinguished personalities internationally.

While paying respects, many wept openly, others prayed and some lifted their young children so they also could place petals. Community organizations from across the world have sent representatives and they placed dozens of wreaths and bouquets alongside the casket. While one said ‘Voice of the Nation’, the title bestowed on the LTTE theoretician by the movement, another said ‘Uncle’, the title by which many LTTE cadres used to address him affectionately.

Thousands of people from far away places arrived in several coaches and flights from Switzerland, France, Canada, US, Australia, Norway and Germany were waiting outside the venue on a freezing cold day and the queue snaked back from the Great Hall.

Balasingham was cremated shortly afterwards at a private ceremony leaving the people for whom he was fighting for by his intellectual wisdom.

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I have well placed the reference for the above article, please let me know where I stand.

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