Talk:Holodomor genocide question

Target: ucranians or farmers?

This article is almost all about the question if the "holodomor" was deliberate or not, and almost nothing about a question that is equally important - if it was deliberate, the intention was to kill Ukrainians, or it was to kill the supposedly anti-communist farmers who opposed the forced collectivization (independently of their ethnic origin)? Only is a genocide in the first case.--MiguelMadeira (talk) 12:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Outdated Map

The information shown on the map in "Other countries and international organizations" does not completely match the information shown below, the map was made in 2007, so would it not make sense for it to be removed? MJV479 (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Agree. I came here to say the same and found this comment above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14C:6A:A73B:6C32:38B0:B2C7:F844 (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Stanislav Kulchytsky

Hello, Stanislav Kulchytsky has no Wikipedia page in any language. Why is his viewpoint notable enough to merit a quote when numerous academics with recent books on the subject don't even get a section? Per WP:BOLD I've removed it. If you disagree, please discuss. FuzzyCatPotato (talk) 10:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Similarly, Yaroslav Bilinsky has no Wikipedia page in any language. FuzzyCatPotato (talk) 14:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Reversed position on Kulchytsky -- described as "prominent" by Wheatcroft. FuzzyCatPotato (talk) 17:19, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Besides that, he has his own Wikipedia article: ru:Кульчицкий, Станислав Владиславович--Nicoljaus (talk) 07:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Yaroslav Bilinsky is "Professor of Political Science and International Relations at the University of Delaware, has taught Soviet and post-Soviet foreign policy. He is the author of The Second Soviet Republic: Ukraine after World War II and articles on Sovietology and post-Sovietology." [1] He looks rather competent scholar. A review of the above book says: "this rich and rewarding study will undoubtedly remain the definitive work on the Ukraine for a long time to come."[2]--Nicoljaus (talk) 07:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Dallin and others

Removed the section per WP:BOLD -- it's not a primary source. FuzzyCatPotato (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Man-made in intro

I've removed "man-made" from the introduction, since this is a point of contention in the debate the article is summarizing. FuzzyCatPotato (talk) 13:06, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Material moved to Holodomor in modern politics

Hello, I've moved the material in the section "positions of governments" to the article Holodomor in modern politics because most of the content here duplicates the content there, and it seems better to have two specific articles (one scholarly, one political) than one broad and one specific. FuzzyCatPotato (talk) 23:46, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

What has happened to this article?

I seems to have done a 180 percent degree turn from being badly pro-Holodomor as genocide with WP:POV language bells on it to being anti-Holodomor as genocide with WP:POV language bells on it. Representation of the opinions of scholars in the area supposed to represent their entire thought processes, not just those that support the idea of genocide being ludicrous. Stanislav Kulchytsky, for example, is far more strident in his condemnation as not simply democide, but as a calculated genocide. Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)