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Fixed — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 07:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Tebriz khanete

@CuriousGolden:the founders of this Khanate added the Dunbilli nobility to this tribal Kurd.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli Frat070699 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Frat070699 I'm having hard time understanding your sentence, please try to write with better grammar. I think you're claiming that Donbols established the khanate. Which is not true. No source is given to this anywhere, including that article which only has one source that's even remotely close to what you said and it's from Encyclopedia Iranica, which in itself does not mention anywhere that the khanate was a kurdish one. If you have specific quote from another reliable source, I'd be happy to hear it.

— CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 17:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:Ping, Tabriz principality writes that it was founded among Dombilians http://tarix.info/azerbaycan-tarixi/feodalizm-dovru/204-t601briz-xanl305287305.html#sel=6:1,6:96 Frat070699 (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%B2 Frat070699 (talk) 00:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Frat070699: Tarix.info is frankly not a reliable source. They do not provide any source for what they claim. Please find a reliable source — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 06:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Konuyu fazla uzatmak istemiyorum. İngilizce dombivli sayfasında diyor, aksi takdirde bu sayfayı düzenleyerek başlayabilirsiniz. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli Frat070699 (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I do not want to extend the issue too much. English dombili says on the page otherwise you can start by editing this page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli Frat070699 (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Frat070699: I frankly don't enjoy having arguments as well, but unfortunately people don't always agree on stuff.

The page you linked does not have any reliable source for their claim. Even, hypothetically if they did, that would still not make the khanate a "Kurdish" khanate. Especially when the tribe is a turkic-speaking one. Ethnicity of ruler does not equal to what the country they're ruling over is.

Her iki dili anlıyorum, o yüzden ya Türk, ya İngilizce yazsan da olur. İksini de yazmak zorunda değilsin.

— CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Donbolli aşireti tarafından. Kurulduğu açıkçası tüm kaynaklarda yazıyor Türkçe mevzusuna gelirsek bu aşiret zamanla Türklesmiş olayın kısa özeti bu. @CuriousGolden: Frat070699 (talk) 19:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/tebriz @CuriousGolden: İslam ansoklepedesindede bahsediyor zaten.

Frat070699 (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Finally, you have provided a reliable source. I think we should mention in the article that the establisher of the Khanate was of Kurdish origin. But, still calling it a Kurdish Khanate, is very weird and wrong, as all the khanates of the time were considered "Caucasian Khanates" and would be better, for unbias sake, to be named like that. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 20:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Tabiki öyle adlandırılabilir ama Sonuçta Kürt tarihi ve hanedanliklari sayfasina ekledim diğer tarfatan bu Karanlığın Kürt kökenli olduğu belirtilmeli Bu düzenlemeleri yaparsınız Şimdiden teşekürler. @CuriousGolden: Frat070699 (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Edit

"Worsens sentence structure" 

How? --Sweetkind (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sweetkind: Hello! The sentence you edited already was good enough and had good sentence structure, so, while I understand your edit was in good faith, I found the edit unnecessary. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 15:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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next time, please, more effort at reading, ok? --Geysirhead (talk) 10:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

What? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 11:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Fuzuli District

It doesn't matter, the de facto seat is still Horadiz. there is currently no single functioning building, so until it's rebuild, Horadiz is the de facto seat. Doesn't mean Fuzuli isn't under Az control. Beshogur (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Beshogur: Okay, sorry for confusion. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 12:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Azerbaijanis in Armenia

Hello CuriousGolden. You recently reverted my correction of 100,000 to 58,000 as the number of Azerbaijanis sent from Armenia to Kur/Araz in the 1947 scheme. Actually the Arseny Saparov article referenced - which is accessible through this link https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/8604#xd_co_f=NGFkNGRiNTAtM2YyMC00Nzc4LTlhZTktNjBhZGMwYzAzMGU5~ says pretty clearly in paragraph 13 that the plan was for 100,000 but that according to Azerbaijani researchers reporting to the Academy of Sciences in Baku in 1970, the actual figure was 58,000. [M. M. Allakhverdiyev, A. K. Aleskerov, “Regularities of changes in the territorial distribution and occupational cross–sections of the population in the Azerbaijan SSR” in Materials on economic history of Azerbaijan (presented to the Vth International Congress on Economic History) (Baku: Elm, 1970) p131.] That also fits better with the rebound of the Azerbaijani population statistics in the later 1950s. Best wishes, Malikbek

Thank you for pointing it out, I have added your edit. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Azokh Cave

Hello, sorry, but I think that it's better to discuss you ths subject on this page, if you don't mind. I'd just like to note that considering the sources that we can see in the Article, it's strange decission:

1. "Azykh Cave". Archived from the original on 2017-12-23. Retrieved 2017-12-26. This sources says Azykh 2. V. Doronichev, "The Lower Paleolithic in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus: A Reappraisal of the Data and New Approaches" in PaleoAnthropology 2008, p.147, 132 and many pages. Also all note Azykh 3. Taphonomy and Site Formation of Azokh 1, in Azokh Cave and the Transcaucasian Corridor, 2016. Noted Azokh, but it's new studies of archeologists. Of cause, they use the name of the territory de-facto under the control of Nagorni-Karabakh authoroty. 4. According to the administrative-territorial division of Azerbaijan - Azykh. Against the administrative-territorial division of non-recognised Nagorni-Karabakh - Azokh. 5. this article refers only the name of the Cave, neither etymology of toponym, nor scientific studies of great archeologits(by the way no one of these specialists has page in internet to understand their level, but it's not important). There are administrative-territorial division of Azerbaijan before the konflict and new one, studies of archeologists in Soviet time (one of them in the Article as the source), all studies reg discovery in Cave since 1960 note the Cave as Azykh. If you think that my arguments are not enough as any Azeri sources, please, let me see sources about Azokh name before the konflict. Nobody can accept the decission after and during the konflict. Everybody call as they want. Many cities change their name accordance to the "winner". My target is correct and right information. Etymology could be negociated but this cave is known till 90-s only like Azykh Cave.Hope my next comment will be short.Aydin mirza (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, can we close the discussion? I can't close it. how can we do it? Aydin mirza (talk) 12:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aydin mirza: I believe an administrator comes and closes it themselves after 7 days, so we just have to wait. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

ok.I see. Thank you. Aydin mirza (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of move request in progress

Hello Curious Golden. Please undo this improper removal of a valid move request. If you think the move should not take place, you can support or oppose in the discussion itself. Your action is out of process. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: It was a move request I myself started and later realized was unnecessary, but I agree that it still shouldn't have been deleted. Added it back. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 06:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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@Beshogur: Hey, I'm somewhat confused about how I'm supposed to reply. Do I just explain the dispute from my view or propose solution? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Your view. Beshogur (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Khari Bulbul

Hi User:CuriousGolden, you recently reverted my edits to the Khari Bulbul page. You might not have realized that this was an attempt to revert earlier edits that had actually made an attempt to distort and eliminate factual information. The page is now a dishonest representation of the current reality, with no mention of the flower's endemic region to be within the Republic of Artsakh which it currently is. Your political, pro-Azerbaijani views aside, erasing factually-correct information from Wikipedia, and by extension, history, isn't a very intellectually honest thing a Wikipedia editor should be engaging in.

I hope you'll realize that I made no effort to erase any mentions of Azerbaijan or the Nagorno Karabakh Region from your edits. This is factually correct information, and in contrast, I don't believe my political views allow me to change anything.

As a more experienced Wikipedia editor, I hope you understand and add the relevant factual information yourself. Should Azerbaijan manage to invade Shusha in the next few weeks, I'm sure Armenians will be ethnically cleansed, alongside their memory, history will be rewritten regardless and this conversation will be moot. You can change it however you like, then. But if that were the case, it would be nice of you to include a "in what was once the Republic of Artsakh" in there too. Again, our collective memory is all we have. And as intellectuals, we shouldn't be affected by the politics of the day, joining militants in base propaganda.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danniel33 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Danniel33: You made no effort to erase mentions of Azerbaijan? Hm, weird. It must've been a ghost who changed all mentions of Azerbaijan to Artsakh, and Shusha to Shushi then. As a more experienced Wikipedian, I can tell you that this breaks WP:NPOV and WP:COMMONNAME. The "Azerbaijan" there stands to indicate what part of Karabakh it grows in, as parts of Armenia are also considered the region of Karabakh. I've removed the "Azerbaijan" in "Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan" though, to achieve WP:NPOV. Not even going to reply to the third paragraph about invasion and cleansing as it'd lead to arguments. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Demographics of the Jabrayil District

Wellp, I was trying to search 2020 Census of the population of Jabrayil District. So I've added «Historical Population» and used previous source. What that wrong? Niedrug (talk) 18:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Was that* Niedrug (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Niedrug: It's okay, but you shouldn't change the format and put it in a weirdly-located box. You can just add it in, the same way the previous one is. Also, your edit kinda broke the whole thing and got rid of the ethnicities. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

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Battle of Shusha (2020)

Hi again CuriousGolden. Please take care when reverting edits – I noticed that you accidentally restored vandalism to the article with this diff, then wrongly templated the IP user who had just removed the vandalism. All the best, Jr8825 • Talk 11:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Small apology

I mistakenly undid your edit on the march days article instead of another edit. My apologies. Kevo327 (talk) 11:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: That's alright, no worries. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

IAGS open letter

Salam Necesen? Men IAGS resmi mektub aldim ki, ele bir oficial letter olmayib. Bunu attach edib sohbeti baglaya bilersense sene gonderim emailine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirhasanov (talk • contribs) 16:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mirhasanov: Salam, məni report eliyiblər. Ona görə o page-ə girə bilmirəm. Solavirum-a at. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 17:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Belke men de onlari report edim? Meni de elemishdiler amma sonra sildiler hec ne subut ede bilmediklerine gore. Indi Solavirumun sutune dusubler. Solavirum sene nece atim o emaili? Mirhasanov (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

CuriousGolden, Mirhasanov, mövzuya bələd adminlərdən biri ilə əlaqəyə keçə bilərsiniz. Tanıdıqlarımdan biri. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 17:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Solavirum o axirinci defe mende dedi ki meni narahat etmeyin.

A barnstar for you!

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	You deserve this. You're civil, you're hard working, a good contributor, an absolute trooper if I do say so myself! So have this sparkly thing it's quite nice. FlalfTalk 15:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

ヽ(°〇°)ﾉ my first barnstar! thank you! — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It's well deserved :) Flalf^Talk 17:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Armenian Massacre of Jews in Quba

Hey bro, I see you are an experienced wikipedia user---as you know, there is some systemic bias when describing Armenian war crimes. Can you add your sources to the Jewish-Armenian Relations article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.120.126.65 (talk) 11:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

"Historical context"

So a village changes hands over the course of several wars. Who says that that is not good information? Who says that maps of before / during / after are not good information. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I believe I've already made my points clear in your talk page. You can read that. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Selective use of primary sources: Shusha / Shushi

You are very selective about the primary sources that you like to see in the Shusha article. Why some and not others? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I've already opened discussion and pinged you in the talk page of Shusha. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Page moves

Hi, I've just done your requested page moves - let me know if any problems with them!. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

So there's a tag team? So much for "goodfaith". Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I honestly don't understand what you meant by that. Could you elaborate? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I'm still waiting for you to explain what you implied here. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

It appears that you have engaged in a policy of systematic renaming of placenames that were or are under the de facto control of the Republic of Artsakh since the end of the 2020 war. These renamings have, in all cases, favoured the Azeri version of the placenames. Furthermore, many have involved changes using non Latin characters. In this work, you are not alone. Many other editors with Azeri sympathies have engaged in similar work. The fact that there is communication between editors engaged in such work, as evidenced above, suggest that this is not just a happy coincidence; instead, it is suggestive of collusion - a "tag team", to use wrestling parlance. This is contrary to Wiki policy. It is also contrary to wiki policy to use non Latin characters in the English-language wiki. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) where is states "[Names not originally in a Latin alphabet, as with Greek, Chinese, or Russian, must be transliterated into characters generally intelligible to literate speakers of English.". On my talk page you asked about the implications; the implications are quite clear - place names using non Latin characters must be converted to Latin characters. This I intend to do. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: Mate, Kj cheetham is a certified page mover that I have no relation to. I move pages I can myself and ask the pages I can't (e.g. page names that have letter "Ə", as they create an error that can only be moved by a page mover) to be moved by page movers in WP:RMT. Next, in case you haven't realized, Azeri letters are Latin script, including "Ə". If you had read literally the first sentence of WP:UE, you'd know that non-anglicized Latin titles are common to use for lesser known geographical objects. Any other questions? You have broken WP:GOODFAITH, WP:ETIQUETTE and WP:MEAN severely during almost all our discussions and I'm having enough of it. Follow the Wikipedia policies if you don't want to find yourself in WP:ANI. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:40, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I withdraw the "tag team" comment. I I do not see where you get your interpretation of "non-anglicized Latin titles". The sentence used in the policy states, "...the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources". Is this the part on which your renaming actions rely? If so, then it does not apply because hamlets like Xərxan, Khojavend do not "predominate in English-language" sources. They scarcely feature in English-language sources at all outside of Wiki. On the other hard, if you are relying on a different part of the policy, I'd be grateful if you would point me to it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I simply follow the norm, which is the use of extended Latin. WP:UE does not state that names in Latin need to be transliterated. And, since these small villages have not ever appeared in any foreign media, their WP:COMMONNAME comes from the local media which uses the non-anglicized names. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

That interpretation is contrary to the plain meaning of the policy. Please desist from making future changes based on this misinterpretation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I didn't make it based on that interpretation. I made it based on the fact that only media reporting on it is local media which uses the non-anglicised name, which makes it the WP:COMMONNAME. If you have source in foreign media showing an anglicized version, then you can show it and we can change it. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Nagorno-Karabakh war

Could you be a bit more accurate when linking to Nagorno-Karabakh war? This is a disambiguation page, not a page connected to the war itself. So please, make sure the link points to the right war. Please! The Banner talk 12:34, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Banner: I made the links before the article name had been changed. I'm now in the process of changing them to First Nagorno-Karabakh war. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I have fixed a few already too. But with my Dutch-Irish view on matters, I only know of two wars and it is not immediately clear to me which one was intended. The Banner talk 12:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Banner: Thanks for the help. Could you change them to just [[First Nagorno-Karabakh war]] rather than [[First Nagorno-Karabakh war|Nagorno-Karabakh war]]? That'd be easier for readers and it's what I'm doing. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Armenian place names

Hey, it's good that you're updating the NK/Artsakh-related articles with regard to the changes in the de facto situation after the ceasefire deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, please make sure to retain the former Armenian names in some form for historical purposes, I saw that you removed the Armenian place names on the Bağbanlar, Agdam and Aliağalı articles completely.

These place names represent useful information for the readers about the history of the region for the last 30 years, and should be taken into consideration when editing. AntonSamuel (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@AntonSamuel: Sure, that's what I always do anyway. But, in these cases the Armenian name is just the Armenian script for the exact same name. No change at all. Therefore can't really put it as "It was renamed as X during occupation" since it wasn't renamed, it's the same name in different script. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 07:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Good that you re-added the names, yeah I've seen that many Armenian place names around Kalbajar, Lachin and Agdam are transliterations of existing names into Armenian script, this can also be clarified if needed - however, they can still be useful when doing research about the region and searching for Armenian-language sources for example. AntonSamuel (talk) 10:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:18, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Azokh (village)

Hello, sorry for disturb, but no one responds in Talk Page. Regarding the citing, no problem, waiting for it. I applied concerning the name of the article. Do you think that the arguments in Talk Page are not enough to rename the article?--Aydin mirza (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I do think some of the sources are not reliable or important enough. Would be better if you tried to find more sources. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 08:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I've replied in Talk Page. Aydin mirza (talk) 12:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Move of Tigranakert of Artsakh

Regarding your move of Tigranakert of Artsakh to Tigranakert (Agdam): The "Tigranakert of Artsakh" name is related to histotic Artsakh name - "Artsakh (historic province)" of the Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity). If you have an issue with the name and wish to rename the article - open a move request discussion on the talk page. AntonSamuel (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@AntonSamuel: Ah, didn't know that. I thought "Artsakh" was used to specify where it was, like in Tigranakert (Nakhchivan). Thanks for moving it back. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:29, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Lachin Corridor

I am happy with the edit made by a third editor. I think that the edit war on this article can now be called off. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

Thank you for fixing the march days article while I was still scratching my head thinking how to fix them. Kevo327 (talk) 10:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)