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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 2601:648:8202:96b0::313a (talk) at 08:04, 19 January 2021 (→‎Surname). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.


Added POV tag

This article is a caricature and is bordering on libelous. Please see the BLP policy for the many rules that must be followed.

kevinp2 (talk) 07:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be more specific?Slatersteven (talk) 09:28, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevinp2: Agreed with Slater, can you be more specific? Without specifics this is just unhelpful driveby tagging. I am quite familiar with the BLP policy. GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This article violates WP:BLPSTYLE, WP:BLPBALANCE and WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE
And the NPOV tag cannot be removed unilaterally! kevinp2 (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevinp2: You need to be specific—which parts of this article contradict the BLP policy? I am familiar with all of those policies, but this article is not in violation of them—all statements are supported by reliable sourcing. As for him not being a public figure, how can you make that argument? Just Google his name, he is mentioned repeatedly in high profile sources including the BBC, The Huffington Post, The New York Times, etc. Also, please be careful not to rearrange other peoples' comments when you edit this talk page.
As for the tag, I've re-added it since you appear to be around to respond to the requests for explanation—I'd removed it because you did not explain why you'd added it, and I wasn't sure you were actively watching for replies. I'll leave it up until this conversation is settled. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


The sources, tone and balance of the article combine to describe a living person as a neo-Nazi, anti-semitic white supremacist. This violates WP:BLPBALANCE which states:

Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association, and biased, malicious or overly promotional content.
The idea expressed in meta:Eventualism—that every Wikipedia article is a work in progress, and that it is therefore okay for an article to be temporarily unbalanced because it will eventually be brought into shape—does not apply to biographies. Given their potential impact on biography subjects' lives, biographies must be fair to their subjects at all times.

I won't be the one paying out legal fees to defend against a libel charge. Wikipedia and you will do so. So feel free to carry on with this page as you wish. Remember Oberlin College. kevinp2 (talk) 20:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevinp2: So you're objecting to the fact that this article represents the sources, which describe Monster in this way? WP:BLP does not say that we must whitewash biographies of people who have made statements that reflect unpleasant ideologies, or who have been widely compared to objectionable groups of people. This article quite fairly states that he has been described as making statements or having ideologies that appear white nationalist or antisemitic, and that he has denied being either of those things. That is an accurate representation of the sources, and of his own self-description. Also, what about Oberlin College? I am not very familiar with it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, implied legal threats like the one in "I won't be the one [...] and you will do so." are completely unacceptable. — Newslinger talk 10:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Surname

See here for some discussion of Rob Monster's surname: it is pretty clear that this name is of Dutch origin. It is held by 1370 people in the Netherlands, and may be related to the town of Monster, South Holland. Here Mr. Monster mentions that he is Dutch-American and that he is fluent in English, German, and Dutch. He mentions here that he was born in the US to Dutch parents. That might be worth mentioning in the article if that source is considered ok, since it makes his name sound less like a prank. I think it is certainly ok to at least say he is Dutch-American, cited to epik.com's management page. 2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:313A (talk) 04:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article already mentions in Rob Monster#Life and education that Monster is Dutch-American. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, good point. 2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:313A (talk) 08:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]