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  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 1 - includes sections "Unresolved questions", "Joseph Smith image", "Disputed edits", "Neutrality", and "Vandalism"
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 2 - includes sections "Moroni's Visit", "Succession Crisis", "Succession Crisis", "Plural Marriage", "Importance of First Vision", "Using the words some and claimed", "Images", "Title", "POV edits", and "Propose we make a Mormonism WikiProject".
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 3 - includes section "President Box".
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 4 - includes sections "Quinn" and "Plural Marriage removal".
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 5 - includes sections about Danites, JS as feature article.
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 6 - includes sections about "Smith's Death", "Featured Article", "Comments from 66.87.28.66", "Plural Marriage/DNA testing", "Brigham Young transfiguration legend.", "Interesting question", "Introductory paragraphs", "References and footnotes", "Family and Marriage(s)", "King Follett Discourse needs detail", "Infobox problems", "New Bushman biography", "Proposed new public domain image of Moroni and Joseph", "Newsweek Cover Story", "More info on the jailing / lynching", "About featured status", "New split-off article covering Smith's early history", "Company seeking their share", "Nominating Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. for peer review", and "Nominating Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr as a Featured Article Candidate". This is every section (since the last archive) that was created before December 2005.
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 7 - includes sections: Urim & Thummim, Dradamh, City Beautiful controversy, Spinoff articles, ...,Biased article, NPOV disputes, Plural wives section, Nancy Johnson, additional NPOV concerns.
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 8 - includes sections: FreedominThought's NPOV concerns, Reverting edits by anonymous editors, Life In Missour section, Changes, good luck, Witnesses, Life in Missouri subsection, Jesus Christ to Jesus, Gathering of Israel subsection, Quotes that Mormons were considered abolitionsists, Inclusions by 67.9.135.139 and 65.70.157.104, Intro edits, NPOV dispute (Ongoing NPOV concerns), Sock puppetry accusations, Issue with Mormonlicious edits, NPOV: Mission Impossible?, More intro edits, In before bcatt reverts me, That's right, it needs reverting, No other Religious Leader is treated with such a negative POV
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 9 - includes sections: "An interesting quote, Archives, Is The South Park Episode Accurate?, NPOV Tag revisited, The dispute history, Improved, Quotation Marks, Recent edits, Joseph Smith, Smith's wives and children, Eldest son dying, Edited introductory paragraph, Edits on Smith's Death, Editing section "1827 to 1831"

  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 10 - includes sections: Polygamy: Cultural or religious heresy?, Was it Moroni or Nephi that gave the plates?, Rigdon needs earlier reference in article, Comments of User:Hoboken, Re: Archive 9 - Is South Park quote Accurate?, Masonry, Joseph Smith diaries, Removed paragraph, Polygyny, Fawn Brodie & Bushman, Bullet-list in introductory paragraph?, His family supported Strang, Succession boxes, Citations, Crystal gazing sentence removal, References, Recent edit on D&C 111:4"
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr./Archive 11 - includes sections:Haun's Mill, Death, Masonry, First Vision, Splitting the article, witnesses, Media section, SouthPark, Reasonss for POV tag, Mob persecution, 1826 trial, Church of Christ, Myth of Joseph Smith killing two men at Carthage"


Citation style

The unusual citation style used in this article makes it incredibly difficult to read. Why can't the normal WP <cite> tag be used? Fragglet 00:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life

Does anyone know if Joseph Smith was ever baptised into another denomination before his "revelations"? I seem to recall mention that there was a baptismal record entered for him in the Methodist Church when he was an infant, but I can't recall the source.

It is Anti-Mormon folklore based on a misreading of source documents. Smith was enrolled in a methodist sunday school class - classes that typcially led to the enrollee being baptized, however Smith withdrew from the class before baptism. Because his name was on the sunday school roles, critics claim that he "joined" the methodist sect, however, there are no records of any methodist ordinance, nor of Smith being baptised prior to May 1829 (when he was baptized by Oliver Cowdery - see D&C Section 13). Most churches consider baptism the gate into membership of a church, although nowadays people may or may not particpate in such ordinances to join a denomination. It was common, and still is for investigators of religious denominations to attend church meetings (and even sign roles, etc.) prior to joining a church. he simply attended their meetings - as he did with the presbyterians - baptists and others (although he didn't sign their roles or enroll in one of their sunday school classes). For more references on this, visit Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr.#Smith.27s religious background.
Smith's mother was presbyterian which does perform infant baptism, but she joined when he was in his early teens, and didn't belong to an organized religion before that time. If I remember correctly from her memiors and biography of her son, she was told that one of their children would be dammed as it died before it was able to be baptized - which led to Joseph Smith Seniors dissafection with organized religion the lasted until his son organized the church. None of the Smtih children were baptized by any records I've found until they were old enough to request it. For more information, refer to The History of Joseph Smith, Jr. by his Mother, Lucy Mack Smith [1]. Hope this helps. -Visorstuff 20:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. He did, apparently join a "probationary class" in Palmyra in his teens but after a while he announced he was quitting because all churches were false, and then he attempted to join a similar class in Harmony (as Visorstuff discusses). But he never actually joined the Methodist church. There is one statement by a man named Fayette Lapham who interviewed Smith's father in 1930, who claimed years later that Joseph, Jr. was baptized in the Baptist church in Palmyra. But Lapham's memory of the facts may have been distorted over time. Somebody else, a guy named Mitchell Bronk, does corroborate that Smith attended a Baptist church for a while in Palmyra, but Lapham is the only one who said he was actually baptized there. COGDEN 21:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes

I reverted and thus deleted a quote supposedly from Hale today. It was just plopped into the article without any introduction. If one is going to introduce a quote, then it may easily be appropriate but taking a quote and introducing it, particularly when it is controversial, when be best. Additionally, why is Hale appropriate or worthwhile. Did he know any of the subject firsthand? No. Was it hearsay? Yes. What is the value of the quote? Possibly to describe how inidividuals felt about Joseph Smith. It is not, however, a quote about facts or reality, which the editor appeared to be using it. --Storm Rider (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New time periods

Any comments on how I divided the time periods? It seemed the most logical division to me, but we can always fiddle with the year boundaries. COGDEN 22:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Smith was shot before the Latter Day Saits Settled in Utah. So I don't know how he was a military force in the west.

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