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Emir or Sultan?

I see that in subsequent pages mentioning the rulers of the Emirate of Granada individually, they always get the title Sultan. Shouldn't their title be Emir instead? Takeaway (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:Nasrid dynasty#Sultans or Emirs? --FordPrefect42 (talk) 07:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April Fool

The date given here for the surrender is 1492 January 2 but a legend among Muslims is that the day was April 1 and that it is the origin of April Fools' Day. See this story which is repeated on several websites. Sgroupace (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. The date of 2 January is well-documented in the contemporary chronicles. Maybe a misunderstanding, because in the Treaty of Granada the Catholic Monarchs assured freedom of belief to anybody, but in the Alhambra Decree dated 31 March 1492, they ordered the expulsion of all Jews from Spain. So, if anybody was fooled in 1492, it were not the Muslims, but the Jews. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 00:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Castilian language of Granada?

I wonder how it is possible that Castilian (i.e., Spanish) were spoken in a territory not conquested yet, when in the Crown of Castile itself most of their territory did not speak Castilian (but Galician-Portuguese, Basque, Asturo-Leonese, and still many mozarabic survival dialects), not to say "Ladino", which was purely and simply Castilian (at that time there was no difference at all, historic Ladino is born from old Castilian when communities of castilian-speakers were exiled from Castile). As far as I know, it is not possible to state if southern mozarabic (i.e., another romance language developed in muslim Spain, now extinct, and developed in a way completely independent from those northern romances, which are the only ones spoken now) still was the language of most of the population (Arabic being official in any case), or Arabic had taken over. Anyway, Castilian took over those languages *since* 1492, not before.83.165.19.63 (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Nasrid dynasty

It was pointed out in an edit summary that I did not start any discussion of the rationale for my proposed merge. Well, it seemed obvious to me that there was some redundant content, and the distinctions drawn seem unclear to me. I trust that the following two sections, one copied from each article, make the rationale for merging more obvious. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like like the two should be merged. --Bye for now (PTT) 20:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sultans of Granada

Years Ruler Reign
1238–1272 Muhammed I ibn Nasr
1273–1302 Muhammed II al-Faqih
1302–1309 Muhammed III
1309–1314 Nasr
1314–1325 Ismail I
1325–1333 Muhammed IV
1333–1354 Yusuf I
1354–1359 Muhammed V
1359–1360 Ismail II
1360–1362 Muhammed VI
1362–1391 Muhammed V Second
1391–1392 Yusuf II
1392–1408 Muhammed VII
1408–1417 Yusuf III
1417–1419 Muhammed VIII
1419–1427 Muhammed IX
1427–1429 Muhammed VIII Second
1430–1431 Muhammed IX Second
1432-1432 Yusuf IV
1432–1445 Muhammed IX Third
1445–1446 Yusuf V
1446–1448 Muhammed X
1448–1453 Muhammed IX Fourth
1453–1454 Muhammed XI
1454–1461 Sa'd
1462-1463 Yusuf V Second
1464–1482 Ali Abu l-Hasan
1482–1483 Muhammed XII Abu 'abd Allah
1483–1485 Ali Abu l-Hasan Second
1485–1486 Muhammed XIII Abū `Abd Allāh
1486–1492 Muhammed XII Abu 'abd Allah Second

List of Nasrid Sultans of Granada

Misleading Motto Translation

The motto as it stands at the moment is:"Wa lā ghāliba illā-llāh", translated as "(There is no conqueror but God)". This wrongfully implies 'conquest' in the context, when in loosely means "There is no victor but God" and literally means "There is no defeater but God". It shows both humility for not claiming the victories (any: civil or military), while showing the philosophical wisdom and faith in believing that nothing is in one's own hands. I recommend the that the motto translation be changed from "conqueror" to either "victor" or "defeater", I would personally lean towards "victor" since it includes the lingual context and references it accordingly. 8227 19:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Andalusian Arabic an official language?

I added the dubious template to this statement. Does anyone have any evidence for it? First of all, the concept of "official language" to my knowledge does not antedate the establishment of Castilian as "Spanish", which (if I recall correctly) was in the early sixteenth century.

I cannot think of an example of an Arabic-speaking polity of any period in which the official language was anything but Classical (Koranic) Arabic, if the concept has any validity at all. deisenbe (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I would also note that the first external link "Granada - The last refuge of Muslims in Spain" points to a document produced by the so-called "Foundation for Science, Technology and Civilization" (FSTC), an organization clearly devoted to pro-Arab and pro-Muslim propaganda. The propagandistic tone is blatantly evident in the referenced document. In my opinion such propaganda material should not be endorsed or distributed by an encyclopedia adherent to NPOV principles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.234.145.187 (talk) 16:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nasrid dynystay

I will add Nasrid dynystay tribe becuase its not exist which is The Nasrid dynasty was descended from the Arab Banu Khazraj tribe from Sa'd ibn Ubadah, the chief of the tribe and one of the companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The nasab of Yusuf (nicknamed "al-Ahmar", meaning "the Red") The Nasrids were of Azd origin. Isamaxzs (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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