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Technonym or occupational surname

Please state your opinion in Talk:surname#Technonym. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for Rayan

An article that been involved with (Rayan) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (Rayan (disambiguation)). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. Cnilep (talk) 07:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

"Sayuki" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Margevicius/Markevičius

I created the page Margevicius but was unaware of the existing page Markevičius. A couple of questions.

• Are these forms of the same surname or considered distinct? (i.e. should they be merged?)
• Both pages list surnames with diacritic and non-diacritic forms of the respective surnames. If they are distinct, should one of the pages be moved so that they are consistent (either both pages named with diacritics or both without)?

Grateful for any help on this. --11:43, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Margis is a well-known Lithuanian given name (diminutive of Margiris) from which Margevičius is a valid derivation (son of Margis). Russian form: Margevich, Latvian form Margevics, Polish: Margiewicz/Margewicz.

Please move to spelling with diacritics (original). Lembit Staan (talk) 22:05, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Have now done so, thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

"List of people" naming convention

FYI

You are invited to join the related WP:RMs at Talk:List_of_people_with_surname_Brown#Requested_move_18_April_2021 and Talk:List_of_people_with_given_name_Alan#Requested_move_16_April_2021 regarding the naming convention of name lists titled "List of people ..."—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Origin of The Scythian Tribe

The history of the ancient Persia is quite complex. I have noticed a handful of authors of Russian, Israeli-Canadian, and Ukrainian origins have recently tried to force the hypothesis that Scythian nation were of Iranian origin. Interestingly, Scythia was a tribe with no confirmed DNA findings who apparently lived on the northern to north-western coast of the Black Sea as outlined by many articles (just google Scythia).

Other extremely interesting fact is none of the mentioned authors, themselves, have the origin of Iran or at least spent a good few years in that country. They have no idea about Iran as a nation or its origin. In fact, I go as far as to make this claim that they do not even truly understand the difference between Iran and Persia.

I am an Iranian. It is devastating when individuals with least information about a nation make such hypothesis, then publish it, then try to force-feed their circumstantial assumptions based on few ceramic artefacts as the facts to the public.

To make some clarifications: 1) Persia was not Iran. There is a huge distance between Persia and Iran Biologically, Anthropologically, culturally, religious beliefs, life style, traditions, languages, and Geographically.

So, it is inaccurate and simplistic to mistake Iran as Persia.

2) Iran as a country, at best, was only formed in 1935 [1] and at least did not exist prior to the Safavid Dynasty [2,3]. Thus, the claims made by these particular group of Ukrainian, Russian, and Israeli-Canadian authors are inaccurate at best and a myth at worst, objectively speaking.

3) The best and most primary way to describe the Scythian's (Scythe, Saka, Sakae, Iskuzai, Askuzai, Ashkuzai, Ashkenazi) origin is to recognise them based on their historical location that would be a cross among the well-known ancient nations of Slav, Khazars, and Turkic origin. It is noteworthy to mention that Turkic nation does not necessarily mean The Turks or Turkish tribes of Ottoman empire, or the modern country of Turkey. It would be the exact same mistake to consider ancient Turkic tribes as today's Turkey. The ancient Turkic tribes spread from Anatolia to Russia , and central Asia [4]. 4) Apart from the political agenda of these handful of authors that I mentioned at the beginning of this note, if one unbiasedly search for the truth based on the facts but not mind's assumptions, one would recognise that : a) Scythian origin is not clear until concrete, unbiased facts in the shape of artefacts such as scrolls, ancient manuscripts or DNA evidence confirm that Scythians were Iranians who migrated to the north. Of course, that would be highly unlikely chronologically speaking. That is because Iran simply did not exist at the time of Scythians. Further to the chronology, why would a group of people most probably farmers had decided to leave warm climate, fertile climate of the South (where the current Iran) for agriculturally cold, comparatively barren climate of the North of Black Sea and Russian Steppes!?

That would be highly unlikely.

b) Looking in to the biogenetics of such claims: The data on Srubna, Cimmerians, and Sarmatians shows clearer Y-DNA bottlenecks (of R1a-Z645 subclades) with the new data, the Scythian samples remain controversial, because of the many doubts about the haplogroups (although the most certain cases are R1b-Z2103), their actual date, and cultural attribution. However, given the expansionist trends of steppe nomads before, during, and after Scythians (as shown in statistical analyses), it is most likely that they are Scythian of ‘Para-Scythian’ nomadic tribes were originated from the east, whether or not they incorporated Balkan populations later would be another matter all together. Fact is Y chromosome-DNA studies have supported by the remaining R1b-P312 and R1b-Z2103 populations in and around the modern Eurasian steppe region, that means Russian steppes and Ukraine regions, not Iran.

Further to the above, the early Iron Age cultures of the Carpathian basin ca. 7-6th century BC, including steppe groups Baraba (modern-day Kazakhstan and Western Central Asia ) and Scythians were eloquently demonstrated by Ďurkovič et al. [5].

You may find an interesting and detailed take on the data published (in Russian) at Vol-Vlad’s Live Journal.

Alternatively, you may read an automatic translation from Google. The study maybe too detailed in debunking all information associated to the supposed Scythians, to the point where just a single sample seems to be an actual Scythian (?!) -, but is nevertheless it is interesting to read the potential pitfalls of the study.

References: 1) https://historyofyesterday.com/when-did-persia-become-iran-b10d639f5b71 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran#/media/File:Saffarids_900ad.jpg 3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran 4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_people 5) https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110266306.93/html