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On 2 January 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tigray conflict to Tigray War. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
On 25 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tigray War to War in Tigray. The result of the discussion was Not Moved. |
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Requested move 22 April 2021
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The result of the move request was: No consensus FlalfTalk 17:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Tigray War → War in Tigray – WP:COMMONNAME, gets more hits on google search and has more frequent use in media. FlalfTalk 13:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)—Relisted. 2pou (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose because Tigray War sounds more correct in my opinion Mausebru (talk) 13:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Tigray war, as a place name + a war sounds incorrect to a native English speaker in the most unhelpful way for me, and is not liking a name sound a better reason to oppose? Policy over preference. FlalfTalk 14:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose "Name of Region" War seems to be that standard for then civil conflicts. Such as Algerian War, Rif War, or First/Second Chechen war. ReiPeixe (talk) 12:47, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose How many of those sources are saying "War in Tigray" as the name of the war and not just saying their talking about the war in Tigray. For example I get more hits on a google search for "War in Syria" and "War in Yemen" but a lot of the articles refer to it as the Syrian/Yemeni civil war. Also, I agree, Tigray War sounds better. Sorry if I explained my argument badly. Wowzers122 (talk) 19:28, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- No, your explanation was lucid and made perfect sense to me, Wowzers122. --BushelCandle 09:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- You have a point, but I also think that RS never use Tigray war and do use War in Tigray, and it makes sense to adopt the name that is actually used by the media. FlalfTalk 14:26, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- No, your explanation was lucid and made perfect sense to me, Wowzers122. --BushelCandle 09:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. A perusal of the sources in the article reveal that there is no common name for this conflict. Therefore, we should be defaulting to some generic name, such as this article's previous title – "Tigray conflict". I am open to further "generic name" suggestions. While it is tempting for convenience purposes, Wikipedia should not make up proper names, and it is wrong for us to coin proper names like "Tigray War". — Goszei (talk) 02:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I would like to remind editors of similar naming acrimonies that have taken place at Syrian civil war and 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, which concern this exact matter: the coining of proper names not widely used in RS. — Goszei (talk) 02:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Goszei: I agree, we either revert to conflict, or we use War in Tigray. 'Tigray war' by itself is practically never used by RS. FlalfTalk 14:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If this page is moved to "War in Tigray", it should be made very clear that this isn't a proper name (and so should appear as "war in Tigray" where title case isn't needed). I must say that titles like "Timeline of the war in Tigray" look weird though, and so I back Tigray conflict (precedent for this naming scheme includes Metekel conflict, Kivu conflict, Ituri conflict). — Goszei (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Goszei: I agree, we either revert to conflict, or we use War in Tigray. 'Tigray war' by itself is practically never used by RS. FlalfTalk 14:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- I would like to remind editors of similar naming acrimonies that have taken place at Syrian civil war and 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, which concern this exact matter: the coining of proper names not widely used in RS. — Goszei (talk) 02:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support renaming in principle - The current title is a proper noun, which leads to the assumption that there is a conflict called the Tigray War. This doesn't appear to be the case based on reliable sources. In fact, it doesn't even seem to be referred to as a "war". A good parallel may be the Ukrainian crisis and the subsequent Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation. I have to agree with Goszei that either reverting to the previous title or choosing a similar generic description for the title is the ideal course of action. - Floydian τ ¢ 19:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support- I support this, because a lot of articles have names like War In Afganistan. And, it sounds better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki150017281 (talk • contribs)
- Support per the argument that we do not want to impose a proper noun on a conflict with no name that is universally used yet. The result of this discussion should in no way be construed as a consensus on the name of this conflict, and leave no prejudice to renaming this article (again) once such a name emerges in reliable sources. Mottezen (talk) 18:29, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support per existing conensus @ War in Afghanistan, War in Iraq (2013–2017), etc. happened across this discussion via an article draft - Agree re: not imposing a proper noun on a developing conflict. The sources generally use 'War in Tigray', and so should we. -- a they/them | argue | contribs 11:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, we know, but not many people refer thses wars, mainly the one in Iraq. Many people, including some foreign officials, refer it differently. Same as to here in Tigray. Mausebru (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose not without a date attached. There've been many wars in Tigray, this is just one of them -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Though the fighting is mostly in Tigray, there has been spill over’s so I think it’s best to for the article to remain as ‘Tigray War’.
Eritrean Withdrawal
The Eritrean Withdrawal has not been confirmed yet.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki150017281 (talk • contribs) 03:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Garowe Online is not an accurate and a reliable source
Garowe Online has been proven to be fake and spread nothing but fake news and there isn’t a single Somali troop/soldier fighting for ENDF in the Tigray conflict.
It wouldn’t make sense for Somalia to support when Somalia has it’s own conflict. YaBoyTPoo (talk) 06:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Photo-only Tigray War article
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Hello! Someone seems to have created a page called The Tigray War in photos. I do not think this is with Wikipedia policy, please delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki150017281 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Battalion/Division numbers
Hello! The sidebar says that there are "42 Divisions" of Eritrean troops. "How many troops are in one division?", one may say. Another thing to add to the sidebar is the estimate of TPLF troops. If you are going to say something like "23 Battalions", say how many troops are in a battalion. --~~Hello!765678765~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello!765678765 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Introducing the belligerents
On 10 March 2021 this thread was archived here by ClueBot III but it is still relevant. Just now I've corrected again the grammar of the introduction of the belligerents. Mebden (talk) 13:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2021
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I would like to add information concerning the recent murder of three MSF workers during this conflict. Althehistorian (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:35, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Added.--Carneadesofcyrene (talk) 12:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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