Talk:Harambe

Checking criteria for B class (October 2017)

1. Referencing & citations

• This source may be unreliable.
• Over the next 10 minutes, Harambe became increasingly "agitated and disoriented" by the screams of onlookers.
  The 10 minutes figure is not provided in given references.
• occasionally propping him up when he sat, or pushing him down when he stood.
  Not given in source.
• This source may be unreliable.
• In an interview by the press, he emphasized that animals feel and have emotions just like humans do.
  I couldn't verify this.
• All in all  well sourced and ✓ Pass.

2. Coverage & accuracy

• This source says Harambe's weight is 450 pounds, the article says it's 440 pounds.
• The Change.org petition is not mentioned.
• A Harambe cheetoo was sold for $99,999.
• Harambe's grandmother died.
• ✓ Pass

3. Structure

• On September 18, 2014, Harambe was transferred to the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden to learn adult gorilla behavior and join a new social group.
  Single sentence paragraph.
• On naming contests for newborn baby gorillas, a teenager made a petition to Dublin Zoo to name a newborn baby gorilla as "Harambe Jr." ("Harambetta" if female) after Dublin Zoo announced the newborn baby gorilla by tweet.
  Single sentence paragraph.
• On June 16, 2017, satire news site The Onion featured an article of professional wrestler The Big Show being killed by WWE after a seven-year-old boy wandered into a steel cage during a live event in Indianapolis.
  Single sentence paragraph.
• The Later developments section is short.

4. Grammar & style

• Change "Dicks out for Harambe" to "dicks out for Harambe".
• Unitalicize Vox.
• One meme is a play on conspiracy theories, such as "Bush did Harambe"
  Then it's more than one meme.
• The dead gorilla had 5% support in late July 2016 (ahead of Green Party nominee Jill Stein) and 2% in August 2016 (tied with Stein).
  I believe the years are redundant in this sentence.
• after being daily targeted by trolls
  Split infinitive.
• Harambe vs. Capcom
  One source says "vs.", one says "vs", one says "Vs".
• Unitalicize Otaku Gang.
• Link the first occurence of "Dublin Zoo", unlink the second.
• Consider adding more links. (Per WP:MOS-L)
• but she believed that zoos "with the highest standards of care" could play an important role.
  Change "but" to something else because this isn't contrasting the preceding text. Also, consider changing "could" to "can".
• noting that a tranquilizer dart might have taken five or ten minutes to take effect
  Change "five or ten" to "five to ten".
• Consider changing the zoo had resumed its account to the zoo resumed its account.
• A self-described underground culture collective known as Otaku Gang
  Self-described?
• Change entitled to titled.

5. Supporting materials

•  infoboxes
• Consider adding more images.
• Otherwise, ✓ Pass

6. Accessibility

• Consider changing "USDA" to "United States Department of Agriculture" or "United States Department of Agriculture (USDA)".
• The game itself is a fullgame of M.U.G.E.N, a customizable fighting game.
  What is a fullgame?
• not checked

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Grabbed and Dragged

An editor has been removing the grabbed and dragged language from the lead section and replacing it with wording such as "cradled" ie. what mothers do with children. As the video shows, the child is dragged through the water at high speed. The wording grabbed and dragged is supported by the New York Times, and the overwhelming majority of sources portray the child as roughly handled. I'm concerned there is an attempt here to push a minority POV that Haramabe gently handled the child and by extension the shooting was not justifiable, or questionable. This POV is not well supported except in minority sources and should not be emphasized in the lead. -- GreenC 04:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

As for 'roughly', used by the NYT, according to this source the boy suffered "serious -- albeit non-life-threatening -- injuries". And this source says "a concussion and a few scrapes... no broken bones or internal injuries". We don't know if the concussion was from the fall or being knocked around the pool, as he visibly was, but the NYT reports the dragging as the rough part. That is either accurate reporting or not, but NYT is reliable enough we can assume they emphasized the dragging as rough for reason. -- GreenC 04:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I went through some of the sources and checked the relevant lines:

• New York Times: "At times, he stood over the boy in what appeared to be a protective posture. But then he darted across the water, dragging the child roughly behind him"
• ABC News: "the boy […] was picked up and carried around by the gorilla", "violently dragging and throwing the child"
•  BBC "the boy being dragged through shallow water by the animal"
• CNN "pulled the boy across a moat", "dragging him through the water"
• LA Times: "The gorilla […] stands over the tiny boy, then takes him at one point and gently props him up on his feet. Then suddenly, the gorilla grabs him by the ankle and sets off at a fast clip through the shallow moat, dragging the boy along.", "Whether the gorilla intended to hurt the boy was less an issue than the fact that he simply could do so by the brute force of swinging him around."

Based on this I'd definitely go with "dragged" instead of "cradled". I'm not sure about "roughly". Robby.is.on (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

Add "(200 kg)" after "440 pound" in Incident section for non-americans Alhrath (talk) 01:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) 01:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Dicks out for Harambe

Regarding this deletion [1]. What it "looks like" to you, and what it actually is, are two different things. This was probably the most common meme of the Harambe membes. It was everywhere. The sources confirm it was "pervasive" and "popular" and that is what our article says. That you have a problem with the word "Dicks" is not Wikipedia's problem we do not WP:CENSOR. Simply saying it was a pervasive meme, explaining what it means, including two sources, is sufficient. It is unclear what high bar you require to get past your personal uncomfort with the word Dick - and no, this was not "a teenager" making things up to insert dirty words into the article. -- GreenC 14:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Looks like you didn't understand what I wrote in my edit summaries. I said that if this sentence were to be useful, some context was required. Without that, it just looks infantile and is useless to the reader. You say yourself that explaining what it means is necessary, even while apparently arguing that it requires no explanation. Either the context to make the sentence meaningful should be added, or the sentence should be taken out. Wtqf (talk) 16:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I honestly don't what you are saying. This was one of the most popular memes. The sources say so, and so do we. What is the problem with reporting this information? And it actually does give context as its meaning, not that it is required. Are you after the origin of the meme ie. the first person to use it? Because that is not required for meme inclusion and often unknown. Are you looking for a literal meaning of the meme? Because meme's often do not have literal meanings, they can express a feeling or attitude or position. The sentence reads "the pervasive "Dicks out for Harambe" meme can be seen as a fake tribute to an incident that would normally engender sincere mourning." This is not useless or infantile, it is an analysis of how and why people used this pervasive meme. If all it said was "There was a meme 'Dicks of for Harambe'," I might see your point, but it gives two other pieces of information: the meme was pervasive, and it was a fake tribute (see the previous sentence for more info what this means). -- GreenC 16:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

That is basically all it says. *What was the meme*? Wtqf (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)