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Checking criteria for B class (October 2017)

1. Referencing & citations
  • This source may be unreliable.
  • Over the next 10 minutes, Harambe became increasingly "agitated and disoriented" by the screams of onlookers.
    The 10 minutes figure is not provided in given references.
  • occasionally propping him up when he sat, or pushing him down when he stood.
    Not given in source.
  • This source may be unreliable.
  • In an interview by the press, he emphasized that animals feel and have emotions just like humans do.
    I couldn't verify this.
  • All in all  well sourced and ✓ Pass.
2. Coverage & accuracy
3. Structure
  • On September 18, 2014, Harambe was transferred to the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden to learn adult gorilla behavior and join a new social group.
    Single sentence paragraph.
  • On naming contests for newborn baby gorillas, a teenager made a petition to Dublin Zoo to name a newborn baby gorilla as "Harambe Jr." ("Harambetta" if female) after Dublin Zoo announced the newborn baby gorilla by tweet.
    Single sentence paragraph.
  • On June 16, 2017, satire news site The Onion featured an article of professional wrestler The Big Show being killed by WWE after a seven-year-old boy wandered into a steel cage during a live event in Indianapolis.
    Single sentence paragraph.
  • The Later developments section is short.
4. Grammar & style
  • Change "Dicks out for Harambe" to "dicks out for Harambe".
  • Unitalicize Vox.
  • One meme is a play on conspiracy theories, such as "Bush did Harambe"
    Then it's more than one meme.
  • The dead gorilla had 5% support in late July 2016 (ahead of Green Party nominee Jill Stein) and 2% in August 2016 (tied with Stein).
    I believe the years are redundant in this sentence.
  • after being daily targeted by trolls
    Split infinitive.
  • Harambe vs. Capcom
    One source says "vs.", one says "vs", one says "Vs".
  • Unitalicize Otaku Gang.
  • Link the first occurence of "Dublin Zoo", unlink the second.
  • Consider adding more links. (Per WP:MOS-L)
  • but she believed that zoos "with the highest standards of care" could play an important role.
    Change "but" to something else because this isn't contrasting the preceding text. Also, consider changing "could" to "can".
  • noting that a tranquilizer dart might have taken five or ten minutes to take effect
    Change "five or ten" to "five to ten".
  • Consider changing the zoo had resumed its account to the zoo resumed its account.
  • A self-described underground culture collective known as Otaku Gang
    Self-described?
  • Change entitled to titled.
5. Supporting materials
  •  infoboxes
  • Consider adding more images.
  • Otherwise, ✓ Pass
6. Accessibility
  • Consider changing "USDA" to "United States Department of Agriculture" or "United States Department of Agriculture (USDA)".
  • The game itself is a fullgame of M.U.G.E.N, a customizable fighting game.
    What is a fullgame?
  • not checked

This link is dead. Ꞷumbolo

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

Add "(200 kg)" after "440 pound" in Incident section for non-americans Alhrath (talk) 01:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) 01:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dicks out for Harambe

Regarding this deletion [1]. What it "looks like" to you, and what it actually is, are two different things. This was probably the most common meme of the Harambe membes. It was everywhere. The sources confirm it was "pervasive" and "popular" and that is what our article says. That you have a problem with the word "Dicks" is not Wikipedia's problem we do not WP:CENSOR. Simply saying it was a pervasive meme, explaining what it means, including two sources, is sufficient. It is unclear what high bar you require to get past your personal uncomfort with the word Dick - and no, this was not "a teenager" making things up to insert dirty words into the article. -- GreenC 14:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you didn't understand what I wrote in my edit summaries. I said that if this sentence were to be useful, some context was required. Without that, it just looks infantile and is useless to the reader. You say yourself that explaining what it means is necessary, even while apparently arguing that it requires no explanation. Either the context to make the sentence meaningful should be added, or the sentence should be taken out. Wtqf (talk) 16:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't what you are saying. This was one of the most popular memes. The sources say so, and so do we. What is the problem with reporting this information? And it actually does give context as its meaning, not that it is required. Are you after the origin of the meme ie. the first person to use it? Because that is not required for meme inclusion and often unknown. Are you looking for a literal meaning of the meme? Because meme's often do not have literal meanings, they can express a feeling or attitude or position. The sentence reads "the pervasive "Dicks out for Harambe" meme can be seen as a fake tribute to an incident that would normally engender sincere mourning." This is not useless or infantile, it is an analysis of how and why people used this pervasive meme. If all it said was "There was a meme 'Dicks of for Harambe'," I might see your point, but it gives two other pieces of information: the meme was pervasive, and it was a fake tribute (see the previous sentence for more info what this means). -- GreenC 16:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is basically all it says. *What was the meme*? Wtqf (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is the meme, the phrase. Whenever someone mentioned Harambe, you would reply "Dicks out for Harambe", for example. It is "a fake tribute to an incident that would normally engender sincere mourning". -- GreenC 21:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What you have said makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't describe anything recognisable as a meme. I think we should be writing for adults, yes? Educated, intelligent people? It would need to be described in appropriate terms for that audience. Wtqf (talk) 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If what I wrote "makes absolutely no sense", there is nothing more that can be said. Taking this to the wider community to decide. -- GreenC 15:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Dicks out for Harambe

Should the article include the "Dicks out for Harambe" meme? -- GreenC 15:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It has been in the article for years, without controversy, and was recently deleted by User:Wtqf in this edit and this edit and discussed in the section above without resolution. -- GreenC 15:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Poll

  • Support inclusion. Multiple reliable sources call the phrase a meme saying it was "pervasive" and "popular". Wtqf has shown discomfort with this phrase, we should be writing for "Educated, intelligent people", and "we should be writing for adults", and "just looked like a teenager trying to get rude words into an article for a laugh". This meme was everywhere during the Harambe era, it can be sourced to multiple reliable sources that confirm it. We are saying things about the meme not merely repeating it: that it was popular, and how it fit into the larger meme landscape of meaning. -- GreenC 15:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support inclusion. It's cited, it's been part of the page for quite a while already. If a user feels that it needs elaboration then they should add that elaboration, not just remove the reference altogether. Also, there seems to be some confusion over what a meme is. As the linked page states, it is an "idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture". It does not imply (in this context) use of an image macro or even that it is exclusive to internet culture. Quantum Burrito (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The point has been entirely missed: I did not say it should not be mentioned. I have not shown any "discomfort" with the phrase and I don't appreciate you making such claims about me. What I have said is that we are adults, and we write for an educated, adult audience. Simply saying "The Dicks Out Meme" is meaningless. Adding the word "pervasive" adds no clarification of any kind. You apparently believe that literally everyone knows of this meme and therefore it doesn't even need to be stated what it is. I, until reading this article a few days ago, had never heard of it. If the thing can be described in a meaningful, informative, adult way, then by all means do that. If you don't want to write in an adult manner about it, then it should be taken out. The point is about writing in an encyclopaedic way. Wtqf (talk) 19:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, and "been in the article for years" means absolutely nothing. I can find you as many examples as you like of extremely substandard text that has been in place for years. Wtqf (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support inclusion. I suggest the concerned editor take a stab at adding context or information if they feel it's needed, but no reason to remove the meme mention altogether, as it's clearly cemented in the collective memory surrounding the incident. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

This poll has nothing to do with the reasons for the edits I made. The issue is not "should this thing be mentioned" but "should we write in an adult way for an educated audience? Wtqf (talk) 23:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you are not concerned with whether or not it's included, then why did you remove it? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I have said repeatedly: because it was not written in an adult way for an educated audience. If someone feels that it can be written in such a manner, they can do so. Like I said in my original edit summary: "the meme would need explaining for this sentence to be useful. As it was, just looked like a teenager trying to get rude words into an article for a laugh". Wtqf (talk) 00:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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