Talk:List of Wii games

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May 20, 2005 – December 13, 2005

List of Virtual Boy games table format.

The List of Virtual Boy games is a featured list on Wikipedia. It happens to be a list of console games for a particular console. I think since it's a featured list, this should be the baseline for all other lists of console games. The List of Nintendo 64 games is setup in a similar way. I've done some work for the List of PlayStation 1 games to make it look similar as well. Here's my question.

Should this be the standard on Wikipedia for lists of games for every console? Ceros 03:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that such a format may be suitable, but I can think of at least one modification I would make to the format to suit the Wii - namely, I would add a column listing the control setup (ie/ Wiimote only, Wiimote+nunchaku, Dual-Wiimote, Classic Controller, GameCube Controller, etc). However, I think we should wait until launch before modifying it, as it is a big task.

This seems unnecessary to me. As Ceros mentions, too much information would defeat the purpose of the "list". -- Exitmoose 07:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, I would suggest that games that have been released be marked as such in some way, and the link proving its existence removed (such proof can be found via the game's wikipedia article, once the game has been released). — Aielyn 14:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I always thought other details besides who, what, when, and where belonged in another table. You could name this table Comparison of Wii games. Someone at the talk page for playstation 3 games suggested there be a column for ps3 exclusives. I said that would be best placed in a table on it's own in which there could be all kinds of details such as first party, third party, 1080p, etc. I also mentioned the Comparison of audio codecs table which is the idea I have for this seperate page. Ceros 15:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The list already borders on containing too much information. Something like the List of Virtual Boy games seems like a great way to structure the list, and will get rid of the awkward parenthesis. -- Exitmoose 07:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Splinter Cell 4

According to this GameSpot article, the official name of Splinter Cell 4 is Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent. I have changed it accordingly. I mention this only because I tried to make the change before when another source announced it[1] and the change was immediately changed back. enbob89 01:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeh the new Game Informer magazine has a preview on it and that is where every site got the official name. Jedi6 17:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Backwards Compatible Games

Some people have been adding old games to the list, going by the asumption that since the Revolution will have old NES/SNES/N64 games available for download, so these games will appear on the system (i.e. Donkey Kong Jr., Balloon Fight, Clu Clu Land, etc…). Should we add a note that says that only games developed for the Revolution directly should be on the list, and older games for download (even if they may be altered or fine-tuned in any way, are not considered Revolution games. -- VederJuda 14:18, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Older games are for older systems. Just look and the PlayStation series. PlayStation 3 plays PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games, yet none of those are counted as PS3 games. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Legend of Zelda

Should we included The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess? THe game was recently announced to come out near the launch of the Revolution and be playable on both the Gamecube and Revolution. Also the game will use the Revolution control scheme on the Revolution. Nintendo will probably advertize it as a Revolution game too. So should we make a note of that? Jedi6 21:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

No. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is a Nintendo GameCube game. The Revolution is simply compatible with GCN games much like the PlayStation 2 can play PlayStation games. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I meant including a note about the game. I added one. Jedi6 01:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks good, hopefully anyone intent on changing the entry to Twilight Princess will see it and leave it alone. -- VederJuda 01:46, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, LoZ - TP has been released as both a GC and a Wii game, on two different types of disk. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.19.173.27 (talk • contribs).

Metronome

Though ClubSkill lists Metronome as a Revolution title, the sole article on the site regarding the game states that the platform is currently unknown[2]. For this reason, I have removed the listing. --enbob89 03:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

No End Soon

I removed the entry No End Soon on the basis that its origins point to an extremely shady post on the GameSpot forums[3]. Should links from unknown blogs and forum posts be accepted?--enbob89 01:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

No. If we did then the list would be filled with hundreds of fake games. Just because someone posts, "!!! FINAL FANTASY BONUS MISSION 5 Green version is coming to the NIntendo Revolution!!!!!" doesn't make it true. Jedi6 04:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Suda 51 game

The Suda 51 game is the Grasshopper Manufacture game, so please remove the recently added Suda 51 Game that cites IGN. --enbob89 15:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Silent Hill 5 not coming to Revolution

Sorry, but that rumor has been debunked [4].

Orb

In its current state, I don' think we should list Orb. It's not running on Revolution yet, it doesn't have a publisher and the developer doesn't have a history we can reference (as far as I know). But in the event that it finds a publisher and stuff, like NIBRIS did with Raid over the River, then we'll list it.

On a side note, I do think that there should be a category for these such games. --enbob89 04:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

My current opinion is to leave them in until proved/debunked - the page suggests we use a question mark for rumoured games in the listing. That seems to be enough. I had suggested somewhere else that the page should eventually be split into two sections - one for games released and the other for games in development. Clearly there's little point doing that just yet.HappyVR 14:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. --enbob89 01:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Trauma Center Revolution

Atus has denied the existence of a Trauma Center game for Revolution. [5]

IGN has confirmed that this game will be on this console & it will be at e3. IGN Podcast @ 8:50 min
The last line of the link you provided says "Sometimes a denial is all we need to confirm our suspicions." As a result, this game should be listed (until e3) as Trauma Center Revolution (?). Lord Falcon 23:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Must the reference be free and online?

"A reference must be provided for all titles -- All items on this list should currently have at least one reference link."

Does this mean that if a game is confirmed in a print source or in a subscription-only online source, it does not belong in the article? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 19:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I suppose not - but obviously it's more helpful if everyone can read the reference if they want to.HappyVR 09:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

If a game was confirmed in writing then I can assure you that somewhere on the internet has something about it. Jedi6-(need help?) 02:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why you couldn't add it, as long as you say where it comes from, and replace it with a reliable online link when one appears. -- VederJuda 02:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with adding sources from print material, even if a game is confirmed on the net or anywhere else. Add a reference to it anyways. Here's some more info about citations. That print material might even be a better source of information than most websites. Ceros 03:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

pilotwings not confirmed

it is just a rumor, so it should be removed

I don't think it should be removed but I'll add a (?) after it, as it is a rumour. also, it might be worth removing the (N) as, though it's likely to be a Nintendo-made game, that's not been confirmed. Corbo 20:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Red Steel link

I added this link to Red Steel, but then realized that there is only to be one reference per game, so I took it out (on another PC, hence the IP adress change). But, I still wonder whether my link (the official yet uninformative Red Steel site) or the GI link should stay. Your advice?

Vandalism

Thankyou to some immature person adding "Pokemon Group Sex" and "Someone is a fat hairy whatever".

I laughed myself a new one, you are incredibly witty. </sarcasm> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.236.168.211 (talk • contribs) .

Rumored Games

Considering a game like "No End Soon" has been allowed to stay on this list of games, I readded NiGHTS into Dreams and Trama Center to the list, one of which was rumored in Weekly Famitsu, and another of which was confirmed by IGN as coming out. Both are currently listed as rumored games until an official announcement is made. Fro81 20:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think NiGHTS should be listed, there is no actual evidence to support that it is being developed, and that being listed here might just get people's hopes up. I think there should be more than just an article on a website about a rumor in a Japanese magazine to justify NiGHTS 2 being listed here. Gopherbassist 01:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Famitsu is notable enough to have a page in Wikipedia, and is one of the oldest magazines about videogames. However, I would not add "NiGHTS into Dreams", but instead, "unnamed xxxx project". -- ReyBrujo 02:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think that the age of the magazine or it's having an article in Wikipedia have anything to do with the validity of a rumor, after all, it's still a rumor according to the magazine its self. Other than that, I agree.Gopherbassist 21:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I remind you about the general inclusion guideline: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. This means that we only publish material that is verifiable with reference to reliable, published sources. And more specifically: One of the keys to writing good encyclopedia articles is to understand that they should refer only to facts, assertions, theories, ideas, claims, opinions, and arguments that have already been published by reputable publishers. In other words, it doesn't matter if it is a rumour, as long as you can verify it with reliable sources. Can you verify it? Yes, it is in the magazine. Is it a reliable source? Yes, Famitsu is _the_ japanese bible of gaming. If you still don't trust Famitsu, we can use this IGN link as reference. Note how IGN treats the rumour with more respect just because it comes from Famitsu. Nothing wrong about your point of view, but if only "truth" could be allowed in Wikipedia, this would be Encyclopaedia Britannica ;-) -- ReyBrujo 21:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think truth has anything to do with it, and from what I read there is no proof that this game is NiGHTS, it said there was a flying clown. Plus, it is still a rumor. Now, I have no problem with it saying NiGHTS, but it needs to say some thing like "Unspecified _______ project, possibly NiGHTS."Gopherbassist 04:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Talent Studio

I contacted N-Sider in regard to Nintendo Talent Sudio. It's only speculation. enbob89 23:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

--Is n-sider particularly reliable? I added Duck Hunt 2 with a link, but someone can take it down if the websites up to no good. So long and thanks for all the fish 71.112.43.219 01:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)τнїѕοḶḍмαġę

Untitled Games?

I'm wondering if there should be two lists - one for games with actual titles and one for games that are untitled and only have a studio/developer attached (i.e.: "Unspecified Activision project"). It makes it more confusing to skim through the list and see "Title" "Title" "Something" "Title" "Something" "Something", etc... Just a thought. 71.244.170.75 17:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Perhaps it would be best to shift untitled games to the end of the list and alphabetize them by developer. Geekrecon 18:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I have made the suggested adjustment. I have moved all untitled games to the end of the list. I also put all "unspecified" titles in the same list, as I did not see sufficient distinction between them. — Aielyn 06:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

In this case, perhaps "Mario Kart Wii" should be moved to that list as well, as the source doesn't present a working title. -- Exitmoose 03:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"Unspecified" titles

I think once a company announces a game, their "unspecified" listing should be removed as it is just a placeholder for whatever titles they haven't announced yet. --enbob89 21:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I think we ought to wait until E3, and then remove those "Unspecified" listings. In many cases those developers may be making multiple titles. Fro81 22:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Move

Do we move this to List of Nintendo Wii games? --Ryajinor 16:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Just from what I've read, it seems Nintendo doesn't want the Wii refered to as the "Nintendo Wii"; but rather simply "Wii". Just wondering if the title of this page should be revised, or if it's better to leave the "Nintendo" in there for those who don't know what Wii is. --Smashery

Likewise, is it List of Microsoft Xbox games or List of Xbox games? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 21:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It is fine here. Note List of GameCube games. -- ReyBrujo 23:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Game Pages vs. Actual Articles

I think the actual announcement article is preferable to a game page (such as those from IGN that everybody always uses). I think an announcement article is more indicative of what is known about the game at the time of announcement and the nature of the announcement itself. And that's kind of what this list should do; accurately list which games currently exist for Wii. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enbob89 (talk • contribs) 16:45, May 1, 2006 (UTC)

I think game pages are better because they link to all resources concerning the game: news, media, et al. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

That thought had occurred to me. But I think the reference links for this article are only here to confirm that these games exist. A game page would be better suited for each game's own article. Also, game pages can sometimes be set up prematurely. Sometimes game pages are set up for games that are only speculated to exist. --enbob89 00:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Godzilla?

I think we should delete the "Godzilla" entry, the citation is linked to an N-Sider story from December 31st 1969. Can anyone find another source? proath01 10:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

SOme fan siteshave said that it has been confirmed, but no official info. Delete it.

Let's go by Train!

That's translated from Taito's train game series, Densha de Go!. Just thought I add that little fact up there.

I updated the newest link, one which nearly confirms the existence of a Wii version of DMC4.

Need for Speed: Carbon

After http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=230022 this.

and IGN talking about it too, I am going to add it, unless anyone has something agaainst it.

Seiferalmas 16:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 5

After hearing a rumor for the 5th instalment of the Gekitou Ninja Taisen series (also known as Clash of Ninja) for the Wii, I did a search on Google. I got quite a bit of results, but most were non-english sites and message boards so I couldn't confirm anything.

I got this page: http://www.n-planet.com.br/?view=article&article=4401

I would like someone to review this for me. I want to get this title confirmed before I add it to the page. Its possible that this game is the untitled Tomy battle action game — Gamespot planned for the Wii.--SwordKirby537 00:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Its actually Gekitou Ninja Taisen Ex. It is confirmed, keep it on the list.

Released games

I would like to see a separate list for alla released games and which region they are released in, for all systems that have these list. Not just a list with rumoured games or upcoming games among them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.226.64.211 (talk • contribs) .

The system hasn't been released yet, so their aren't any "released games" yet. I don't see the point in listing which region. Unless this is converted to a table format it will just be clutter. 74.137.230.39 15:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Of course I know it hasn't been released. But you could prepare the list to show dates of games in multiple regions. It would be cool to have a list for some console where dates weren't lost. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.114.165.176 (talk • contribs) .

Perhaps if they simply add a few tags to indicate which regions it has been released in, so {J} might mean "Japan only", while {JUA} might mean "Japan, USA, Australia". These tags would only be on released games.Aielyn 06:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

PRICE of the games

I would like to know the price of the games (Specially the Zelda one and the Red Steel one), thanks.

Game prices vary from region to region, and more importantly, over time. Furthermore, there are sales and bundles that further complicate pricing. As such, they can be documented for each game on its respective page, but to put all of those details on this list would simply clutter everything up. I suggest we do not add this information to this page. — Aielyn 06:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Untitled Hideo Kojima Project

The link to the untitled Hideo Kojima project has either been moved or deleted. If someone can't find another site claiming that there is indeed a project being created, then we should probably take the project off of the list. --DevilSavior 22:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

While I am uncertain as to which article was being referred to by that link, I have found a wikipedia article that mentions, with sources, a proposed game to be made by Goichi Suda and Hideo Kojima. You can see this here - Project_'S'. I will modify the article to reflect this by changing "Hideo Kojima Project" to "Project by Hideo Kojima and Goichi Suda", with the source simply being "see Project_'S'". — Aielyn 16:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Shrek Smash N Crash

Another Shrek game for Wii planned for December 06. Source: Gamespot [6]

nb: This is a racing game, different from Shrek the Third. Goatjuggler 22:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

2 more Wii games

Crash Dummy vs. the Evil D-Troit Source: Gamespot [7]

Gottlieb vs. Williams Source: Gamespot [8] nb: Gamespot doesn't list Gottlieb Pinball Classics, which may be just for PS2/PSP and/or Wii VC. 68.36.108.193 23:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Gottlieb Pinball Classics is a Wii title (not VC) being released in Australia and Europe. This can be confirmed for Europe by looking at Nintendo-Europe's launch lineup list - http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/wii/?site=pr_launchtitles.html&l=enGB — Aielyn 14:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

World Series of Poker 2

World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions AKA: World Series of Poker 2 (US) Source: Gamespot [9] Goatjuggler 00:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

World Series of Poker Link

The World Series of Poker title links to the wikipedia article about the real tournament, not the game. Is this appropriate? I can't find a wikipedia article about the game. I do not feel comfortable making the change myself, so I brought it up for discussion.

I've fixed the link. The name of the game is World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions. TJ Spyke 05:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Bob Ross game

Enbob89 removed Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting from the list, claiming that AGFRAG is no longer developing it. However a search of the net provided no confirmation of this fact. As such, I reinstated it in the list.

Indeed, the AGFRAG site, http://www.agfrag.com/, links to the Myspace site, http://www.myspace.com/xhadoe, where the Bob Ross game is still listed as in development.

If it has, indeed, been cancelled, please provide proof of this. — Aielyn 14:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The game's official Yahoo Group, through which AGFRAG has made announcements in the past, indicates that "AGFRAG is no longer involved int he development of ANY Bob Ross Game. Please contact Bob Ross Inc. for further information." This information has actually been up for awhile. I believe they had a deadline to find a publisher and they were unable to find one. You may need to be a member of the group (as am I) to view it. On a side note, Joseph Hatcher of AGFRAG says the following in a comment further down on the page which indicates that the game may still happen.

"Email Bob Ross Inc. As far as I know, they still plan to get the game developed!

Submit your ideas and suggestions to them and they will gladly listen and respond to your questions, etc.

For those of you curious about what AGFRAG is up to, go to www.agfrag.com or check out my page at www.myspace.com/xhadoe

When Bob Ross Inc. contacts me about taking over this forum (or what they want me to do with it), I will then do whatever they need me to do.

We are in slow progress into our next project...

-Joseph"

I think the Bob Ross listing should be removed until there is another announcement by Bob Ross Inc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enbob89 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Crossbeam Studios

Whoever it is that has been removing the games from Crossbeam Studios, please stop - these games have been confirmed to be in planning for the Wii, which means they belong on the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aielyn (talk • contribs) .

Vandalism

There has been a dramatic increase in the rate of vandalism of this page recently, seemingly due to the Wii's release. Perhaps it is time to restrict the editing of this article to those with accounts, as all vandalism appears to be done by people without accounts. — Aielyn 05:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Pikmin 3

There is already an article on it on Wikipedia. So since we have it, I figured I'd put it on.--Rat235478693--

There was a article on Sonic Riders 2 [10], so let the same happen to Pikmin 3. FullMetal Falcon 01:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[11]--Rat235478683--

Organization (Add Online Enabled Game Category?)

It would probably be a good idea to add another category to the list for games that are online in some capacity. Although since 'O' is currently in use maybe 'I' should be used for 'Intenet Enabled,' or something of that nature? ITZKooPA 18:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Also, the number of players would be handy here rather than having to load each game's Wikipedia entry. Krisjohn 01:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Before we add any more categories, the page should be redesigned with a more organized layout, if anyone can come up with one. --enbob89 23:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can we please make it so only registered users can edit this page? There's way too much vandalism from unregistered users. --enbob89 04:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Just about every post from an unregistered user is vandalism. Can we restrict editing to registered users?--enbob89 18:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment about games based on movies on the list

I've noticed this on this list and other pages as well. People list the film article instead of the game article's redlink. If the article isn't made for the game yet, there is no reason to link to the film, period. It confuses people for one thing, and for another it makes it seem like the game has an article already. So just list the game as a redlink, and let it be. A film article shouldn't be on a video game list page. RobJ1981 21:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Released Games

Currently there is no markings on games which have already been released. This can be valuable for those looking to research games to purchase. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.228.195.207 (talk) 13:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

NASCAR 07

I have noticed that NASCAR 07 has been added to the list on more than one occasion. It is sourced to a vague IGN article that doesn't specifically state that it will be available for the Wii. I don't think it should be listed on this page. Mearnhardtfan 02:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Mario Kart Wii

http://www.thewiire.com/news/128/1/Mario_Kart_Revolution_in_the_Works

This article cited to prove the existence of "Mario Kart Wii" seems like speculation at best. First of all, it's well over a year old, and there isn't even a working title for the game. I removed the wiki link since the article it links to has been deleted and protected, and I'd say that unless a better source can be found, the game itself should be removed from the list. --Exitmoose 03:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hideki Konno says it's in the pipeline and that warrants a listing labeled with a (?). There's no better source than one of the game's designers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enbob89 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

I suppose. It doesn't so much sound like the game is being announced as the interviewee is simply saying that they're considering it. In any case, it's probably coming out sometime, so it's nothing to fuss over. Why was Mario Kart Wii deleted and protected? -- Exitmoose 00:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mario Kart Wii was deleted and protected because there was no proof the game is in development. It says at the top of the page games CONFIRMED FOR DEVELOPMENT. Mario Kart Wii does not meet that criteria and should be removed, whether or not it's "nothing to fuss over". 199.126.137.209 04:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Prince of Persia

Seriously, you guys. It's a frickin' port of The Two Thrones, so it might as well be called The Two Thrones. I read in Nintendo Power about it, and it was NOT called Rival Swords. Link 486 8:47 AM, 1-11-07

Rival Swords is a port of Two Thrones. Read the article. Your Nintendo Power article came before Ubisoft made the official announcement.

Ah, whatever. I'm not gonna do anything to it anymore.

Format as a table

Wouldn't it make it easier to view if the titles were listed as a table (preferably a sortable one)? There could be different columns in the title to denote things such as whether the games are online-capable, first party, etc., and maybe some room for notes if so desired. I myself want to see what unreleased Wii games there are; it's hard to do this when the games are grouped alphabetically. --Brandon Dilbeck 02:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this page is overdue for a reformatting. Table sounds nice. --enbob89 19:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Title	Launch	Released	Exclusive	Online
Battalion Wars 2	N	N	Y	Y
Elebits	Y	Y	Y	N

How's that? 76.5.18.0 19:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. Except the released column should specify the regions in which the game has been released, not just a check or an x. So it should say US, EU, JP or AU (or any combination of those). There should be a column for the source link too.--enbob89 22:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Title	Released	Developer	Publisher	Exclusive	Online	Source
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption	N	Retro Studios	Nintendo	Y	?	Joystiq
Elebits (L)	JP NA	Konami	Konami	Y	N	IGN
100 Bullets (C)(?)	N	TBA	D3 Publisher	N	?	IGN

Let me "kick this up a notch" BAM! Got rid of launches, there would be tons of red x's years from now. FMF|contact 23:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Good, but I think we should lose the party column. I feel like it's unnecessary. How about publisher/developer columns instead? Also, I think there should be a separate table for untitled games. Just more organized. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enbob89 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

Updated table, is that fine or should developer/publisher be separated? This chart just covers those that actually have titles. Someone can work on that later - I just want to focus on this and get it up. FMF|contact 18:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they should be separate only because there can be multiple developers on one game and having a developer column would make it more organized. Make that change and put it up. It looks great. Also, games that are tweaked versions of other games (Madden, Call of Duty 3) don't count as exclusives. Only games that are completely exclusive to Wii count. --enbob89 18:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

One more thing, about the legends. Those not already covered I have added, also I have a urge to switch the legends of online to (O) and other consoles to (C). FMF|contact 21:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

With the new format we don't need any of the tags, except maybe the launch tag. There are online, publisher and exclusive columns, so we don't need the tags at all. They would only be redundant clutter. --enbob89 04:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I was considering purchasing a Wii and was hoping Wikipedia would have a good list of available games for me to research before buying. Unfortunately, this list of games sucks. The tables need to be separated by regional availability AND actual availability. For each region, planned games should have a table, and available games should have a table. It's not hard... but I can tell you what's retarded... having to search through a list of 50+ games for 10 games that are actually available. JudgeX 06:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, a few things you said don't really make sense to me. What do you mean by "actual availability"? And do you mean to say that there should be a separate list of planned games for each region? Most games will become available in all regions; listing them four times (once for each region) would be pointless. While the current format isn't perfect, I wouldn't say it "sucks".

No, man, it sucks. Never before have I seen a list of planned titles sum itself up to be so useless. Fact is, average readers don't care about the release dates in Japan, Europe, etc if they are from the United States (the converse is true as well). If they do care about the release date other than for the region that they reside in, they can go to that region's planned releases. Saying that "most games" will make it to EU or US is certainly true, but only by a narrow margin... there are tons of Japan-centric games for every other nintendo system that never saw the light of day here, pending translation and or import.

By "actual availability", I meant there needs to be an updated list where a user can go to quickly see what titles should be available at the local distributor without having to skim through "upcoming" titles. This would be more useful to people researching the Wii... while planned releases can be seperate completely. It really only requires 3 tables, ordered properly. I propose the following:

Table 1: Region 1 Titles available via retail at time of edit sorted alphabetically, sub-section: upcoming titles with release dates.

Table 2: Region 2 Titles available via retail at time of edit sorted alphabetically, sub-section: upcoming titles with release dates.

And so on and so forth. This allows an extra tier of usefulness in that it includes the release dates for each region for the second part of each table... Imagine the much improved look and feel of being able to go "what all titles are available on Wii... oh, there they are, all 35 of them... and here's the article about this game... awesome." and then being like "I heard Domino Rally was coming out on the Wii, let me check... *scroll down* ... ooh, here it is, April 14. That's awesome." Currently, when you come and want to see what all titles are available, you'd better come ready to look for green checkmarks and copy out the title name into notepad or something if you want to see a list of what you can get right now... as this is a terrible mish-mash of crap... even without the added research of getting an actual release date for each game for each region, it would be HUGELY beneficial to break it up like this. I'm not saying the article is completely without use... I'm just saying it could use serious logical reworking... as I don't know of many people in any region other than Japan that care at all about "Noumiso Konekone Puzzle Takoron", which would almost undoubtedly be retitled for release here in the US anyway...making that game title completely worthless for EU and US readers, and putting yet another time-wasting and confounding entry into the overly humongous table. JudgeX 16:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I like the four table idea (North America, Japan, Europe, Australia), but it would make this article way too long as we'd be listing the same games for each table. If we did that, I think each table would be a separate article. Also, a lot of games are regionally ambiguous - nobody is really sure about the regions in which they'll come out. Another thing is, we don't know anything about retail availability, so it'll be released and unreleased. --enbob89 22:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this would be cool too. Honestly I'd love to see someone step up and make the table more useful. I would but i don't have time, and the current table is absolutely useless. I've tried to use it 2 or 3 times now but cannot deal with sifting through that many "theoretically one day available to you" games. I applaud the original work for being thorough and it is of ultimate use, but, without better formatting, it fails. Honestly this would be about perfect if we could use a datagrid here on wikipedia ;). Then we could just sort by columns. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JudgeX (talk • contribs) 15:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

How about this, separate the current table into two tables: one for released games and one for unreleased games. The former will specify regional availability and the latter will look like the existing format except no "released" column. --enbob89 18:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I can almost agree with this, but like I said, I would like for users to be able to see a list of games that they can get... so, if you sorted it by region and then alphabet for released games, that'd be perfect for me, but without that sorting you still have like 30 games that are unvailable to you appearing in a list of 55 games total, which means you're wasting like 50% of your time... I'm not nitpicking here, I just can't find a solid, currently updated list of games that I can actually go look for in my local market, and that's 1) ridiculous, 2) bad for nintendo, 3) bad for me... because without a list to go on, I simply don't have time to browse 5 or 6 stores every week for new games. Wikipedia is the perfect place for game availability lists because of the ease of updating and the readily accessible links to NPOV wiki articles about the games and external reviews. JudgeX 16:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Winning Eleven?

I'm pretty sure Konami canceled this game with a few other games for the Wii/PS3. This is awful news. :( --Tristam 04:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope. [12] Besides, Winning Eleven wasn't included in the games that were thought to be canceled anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enbob89 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

Maybe it should be listed as PES6. After all, the article only talks about PES, not WE, which are technically different games. I guess there will most likely be a WE then, but I think PES should be listed as well. Militiaman 06:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I really have no idea. Aren't Pro Evolution Soccer and Winning Eleven the same games with different names for different regions? --enbob89 17:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Butterfly Garden

Add Butterfly Garden to the list. JAF1970 16:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Untitled games section

Does this need to exist? The section is one long bulleted and cluttered list. Yes, games are coming out and don't have names: but it's not that important to have a huge list of untitled games. The article does need to be complete as possible: but the section is a mess and certainly doesn't help much (in my opinion at least). RobJ1981 02:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it helps. Knowing which developers are making Wii games is useful, isn't it? --enbob89 03:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources for released games

Are sources for released games really necessary? I completely understand why we have them for when the games are in development, but after a point doesn't it become common knowledge enough that they don't need it? It's like citing a source that Harrison Ford was in Star Wars. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Honestly I don't think it needs its own box within the table in any case. K1Bond007 00:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think if a game has been released, a source isn't so necessary. But a source column definitely is necessary now considering the vast majority of the games on the list are unreleased and every day there are clowns listing fake games. But if we do eliminate sources for released games, I'd rather not have an empty source box. Could we just shade those source boxes in black? --enbob89 01:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea to me. Would would that look like? Perhaps the standard could be to remove confirmation links for games that already are released and have their own article? -- Exitmoose 01:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Add "Aspect Ratio", "Resolution", and "Controller" columns

I think the list of games should add the columns "Aspect Ratio" and "Resolution" to the list of columns. Some games are made in 16x9, some 4x3 and the same goes for 480i/480p. Adding these two columns would make it easy to see what each game offers.

I also think it would be good to add a column that describes the number of controllers necessary for each game. The format could be wiimote/nunchuck/classic where 4/4/0 would say that 4 wiimotes, 4 nunchucks, and 0 classic controllers are required. Ajwillys 20:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the purpose of this list is just to list which games exist. Details should be put in the games' respective articles or in a Comparison of Wii Games article. I feel like the online column is out of place too. --enbob89 21:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Compare List of PlayStation 3 games or List of Xbox 360 games or List of GameCube games, all of which have a similar format. This list is already on the verge of being cluttered with too much information. Title, Developer, Publisher, Release Date, and Region are more than enough. -- Exitmoose 00:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I've successfully removed the online column without screwing up the entire page. I think a good alternative would be a List of Online Wii Games. Such an article would list all of the online games as well as useful information like how many players and WiiConnect24 usage. Just seems more organized and practical to me.--enbob89 23:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Release Dates

I think release dates are worth mentioning.

Agreed, 100%, and regional sorting. I don't care about when Naruto is coming out in Japan. That gives me no way to determine when it is coming out here, and is information that should be sorted out of my way... just like for a japanese-based reader, information about when Naruto is releasing in the US is useless and should be sorted out of his way. JudgeX 16:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Fire Emblem

Goddess of Dawn is the game's Japanese name; Nintendo even said so themselves. Until the English name is released, do not address it as Goddess of Dawn. Link 486 @ 8:18 AM on January 31st, 2007.

Titles vs games (article name discussion)

I noticed the article name was changed to titles because Wii Music isn't a game. But when I looked at that article: I see games announced as part of it. Shouldn't the article be changed back due to this? RobJ1981 00:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Sakaguchi developing a Wii IP?

Hironobu Sakaguchi's page states that he is developing a new IP for the Wii (although there is no source). Can anyone confirm or deny this with a source? (It'd be great if it is true :P ). --Tristam 04:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)