Talk:Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preussen

Focus on Property Claims required?

Should the article focus more on the property claims? In Germany he was known to the general public only after the claims surfaced in 2019, when major news outlets took this story up (and yes, way before Mr. Böhmermann took up the topic). Before he was mostly known to a special-interest group and their according news magazines (see that references are "Bunte" etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8070:88AB:0:55C1:890A:F81F:1C82 (talk) 13:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

While his grand-parents have historic relevance, he has none it itself. Just being a kid of a relevant person does not justify an article in the wikipedia (for comparison: The kids of Bill Gates are not even mentioned by name in Wikipedia while being rich and have relevant parents).

Thus I agree to the person above: Any relevance of Georg Friedrich to the general public is that the claims property rights on real estate and art artifacts currently in public ownership. only this gave him media attention in Germany outside of the yellow press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8070:88AB:0:4142:E519:7B85:416D (talk) 07:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Most people in former monarchies know who the pretender to the throne is. 2A00:23C5:E08D:8A00:19B7:8C05:3358:45D4 (talk) 00:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes. The head of the House of Hohenzollern has historical relevance. 24.4.136.172 (talk) 01:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

He looks like Wilhelm II!

woohoo

This person is not a prince, he has no styles or titles, there is no such thing as a Prussian royal family any more

This article I think is full of very misleading information, or maybe more accurately, lies. There is no Prussian royal family, there are no German royal titles, this person does not have any styles or titles. Look at the German article on this person, there is none of that foolishness there.[1] Why is the English WP playing out some sort of pre WWI snobs' fantasy? Per WP:BRD I am deleting it all.Smeat75 (talk) 00:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

So I changed the template for "Prussian Royal Family" but that section on "styles and titles" needs to be removed, those titles have not existed since 1919.Smeat75 (talk) 19:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Several reliable sources in different languages have been added to the article documenting the notability and post-1919 attribution or use of Royal and/or Imperial Highness for Georg Friedrich by journalists and experts in international titulature, as well as his current position as representative by dynastic primogeniture and historical heir of the patriline of the Kings of Prussia and the German Emperors. FactStraight (talk) 03:30, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

These titles are given out of courtesy, but do not have any legal standings. Same for the address "Royal Highness" etc. While Germany doesn't go as far as Austria in completely abolishing the titles (Like Prince Otto of Habsburg becoming "Otto Habsburg-Lothringen"), legally, after 1919 the title "Prince" has become part of the surname, as in Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preußen (no comma), literally George Frederic Prince of Prussia. (the last three words being his surname.) And yes, they are used that way in everyday usage, except for royalist circles and glamour magazines, who put the "Prinz" before the first name. -- megA (talk) 15:57, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

So why is there a comma after "Friedrich" in the title of this article? And why does the infobox call him "Prince of Prussia?" Completely ridiculous fantasy,there isn't even such a place as Prussia.Smeat75 (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

No such place as Prussia? You must be joking. Surtsicna (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Prussia was a German kingdom ....Prussia was legally abolished in the 1940s...The end of Prussia ....In Law No. 46 of 25 February 1947 the Allied Control Council formally proclaimed the dissolution of Prussia"Smeat75 (talk) 14:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I suppose, then, that places such as Bosnia, Occitania, Scandinavia, Dalmatia, Anatolia, Bavaria and Prussia are just a product of bored people's imagination. I am being sarcastic, of course. Surtsicna (talk) 09:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Bavaria and Bosnia for instance certainly do exist but there is no such place as Prussia any more.Smeat75 (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Bosnia exists just as much as Prussia exists - as an historical rather than administrative region. Surtsicna (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you re-write the Prussia article and correct the section heading "The end of Prussia" and all references to Prussia being abolished, making it clear that it still exists as an "historical" region, just like it still has crown princes and Imperial and Royal Highnesses (in the deluded imaginations of monarchist fantasists).Smeat75 (talk) 16:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you read Prussia (region) and then nominate it for deletion, as it is obviously a hoax. Oh, and nobody said anything about Prussia having a crown prince; the last one died many decades ago. Surtsicna (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

It is worth noting that until he married a Roman Catholic, he was in the British line of succession. His sister, "styled" HRH (Her Royal Highness) Princess Cornelie-Cecile of Prussia, is 160th. Pretty far down, but she is still recognized as a princess for purposes of a royal succession by another existing monarchy. See http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wakefield/history/britsucc.html As an aside, he also carries the "title" Prince of Orange, which is also shared by the Crown Princess of the Netherlands. Waterproof blue (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes he is a prince in a way since the wiemer republic ( that got rid of the titles) never really had a right to do so he is a prince as realated tothe royal family the prussian royal family is really and germany let him keep the title because prinz von prussian is aprt of his name and that what happen to former titles (KingOscarXIX (talk) 17:39, 31 July 2015 (UTC))

I looked up Article 109 of the Weimar Constitution and found "Noble titles form part of the name only; noble titles may not be granted any more. Titles may only be granted, if they indicate an office or occupation;" Nothing has been done since to change this. As this guy was born well after this was written he cannot carry a title.

So, these folk are not royalty. The ex-Kaiser carried on a fantasy for the rest of his life about still having titles, while successive German leaders making it quite clear he did not. Now it seems that many wish to carry on the fantasy for his offspring. I, personally, have just as much right to style myself 'His Serene Highness', indeed we all do. Rogers Nelson has much more right to use the title 'Prince', and Gerhard Schröder has more right to the title 'Prince of Prussia' though nobody ever though of him that way. These pages are full of factual errors, perhaps we should just dump them?

In short, allowing these people to use WP to be presented as anything more than citizens who just happen to be descended from an ex-Kaiser is making a mockery of Wikipedia. I see lots of talk on this subject, but nothing actually happening. Should we just go ahead and delete the pages on the German Hohenzollerns, or can someone correct them. Note: Some of the Hohenzollern descendants are fom the Romanian branch, these might be genuine?

Supreme Emperor of the Five Galaxies kimdino (talk) 19:33, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia refers to people the way that cited sources refer to them in English. Most citations given for his nomenclature in English refer to him as "Prince", so that's how English Wikipedia refers to him. Ditto others. Information about his legal status and use of "Prinz" in Germany is provided, currently, in footnotes 1 and 6. FactStraight (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

He is the pretender to the throne of Germany. He is in the line of succession to the British throne (they changed the rules in 2015, so his Catholic wife is now no bar) Whether he is a ‘real’ prince or not, he is in the game, so to speak, and notable enough as such for inclusion in WP. Note that when in the Bundeswehr, he had the name of ‘Preusse’ (Prussia), similar to Brit princes serving as ‘Wales’. This all seems real enough. It is anyway part of the history of Europe. 213.205.240.202 (talk) 10:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

A very worthwhile conversation. Personally, I am strongly anti-monarchist and have always found it somewhat ridiculous to read that Leopold von So-And-So holds some title in a monarchy that was abolished a century ago. The British monarchy may be silly, but it is currently functioning, it is embraced by many of those who live under it, and it is recognized by other governments, leaders, etc. But it's flat-out ridiculous to imagine yourself king over a populace that abolished the office generations earlier. PurpleChez (talk) 15:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

That is why he is a ‘pretender’. He has never claimed to be a King - or a Kaiser, for that matter. He is in the same class as the Comte de Paris, who is not the King of France, but would be if the Bourbons were placed on a restored French throne. And you never can tell. In my lifetime, the pretender to the throne of Spain got his son on the throne when Franco died. 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:EDDC:A6B1:9C5D:85E (talk) 01:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

King of Germany

Google lists him as King of Germany only because it does so on Wikipedia. This really should be corrected, especially the reference to Germany being an absolute monarch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephven (talk • contribs) 17:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Google currently lists him as King of Germany. --94.134.89.203 (talk) 18:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I can't find anything online to verify the statement below - and am fairly sure that Germany is not an absolute monarch. How did this creep in? Suggest it be removed or links should be added to verify this information.

"Re-Installation as Emperor of Germany "In 1997 the German Bundestag and Bundesrat made an official decision to re-install Georg as Emperor of Germany and is houses former title as King of Prussia. Since then Germany has been ruled over by an absolute monarchy." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephven (talk • contribs) 17:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Citation? This just sounds loopy. 2A00:23C5:E08D:8A00:19B7:8C05:3358:45D4 (talk) 00:15, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Ancestry/Paternity issues! (Major)

The princes father is listed as Louis Ferdinand (his grandfather) leading to confusion on the rest of the article. His father was Prince Frederich Wilhelm, who died in 1977. He succeeded directly from his paternal grandfather Louis F which may have led to this confusion. This is listed wrong in the article and in the info box. Murreywhgold (talk) 00:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Georg Friedrich's father was also named Louis Ferdinand, not Friedrich Wilhelm, who is his eldest uncle. Friedrich Wilhelm died in 2015. Piratesswoop (talk) 01:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)