Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne Wilder

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne Wilder

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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. The references may establish the local notability of the subject's band, but do not meet notability criteria for the subject himself. ubiquity (talk) 13:03, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. ubiquity (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. ubiquity (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not appear to meet WP:MUSICIAN. I added three of the four refs in the article. They are either passing mentions or are about his former band, the Atlantic Pirates. Seems like the only leg to stand on would be WP:MUSICIAN #4, "a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country"" since (according to the article) "In August 2015, Wayne supported the Oddsocks Revival on the western leg of their Irish tour". However, #4 requires non-trivial coverage of this. Is there I any? I didn't find any. I'm not happy about about my vote since he might well be reasonably well known in Galway or even in Ireland generally. It's hard to judge small-country entertainers. He's not just some nobody, it seems. But he looks to be basically a bar-band musician, and anyway we need refs.

A sustainable article about his former band, the Atlantic Pirates, could be written I think, based on this in-depth article. And maybe that's the way to go, with a section for Wilder in it, that could include most of the stuff in this article. I hate do destroy this nice article, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Herostratus (talk) 17:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I want to make it clear that I don't think that failure to meet Wikipedia standards of notability makes him "just some nobody." I'm not a nobody -- I have 17 patents, publications, have made appearances on national television, was at one time well-known professionally -- but I'm not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, because no significant coverage of me exists. I am sure Mr Wilder is an accomplished performer who is very popular in Galway. But that doesn't necessarily warrant an encyclopaedia article. ubiquity (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I mean he seems to be sufficiently accomplished and known that 1) if we can just dig up some refs we can probably have an acceptable article, and 2) it wouldn't be surprising if we can dig up these refs. In that sense he's not just some person who's posted a few videos on YouTube or whatever. Here is a new ref added recently... it's not enough but we are working in the right direction. Still recommend an Atlantic Pirates article instead, at this time. Herostratus (talk) 16:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 16:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. Even if the provided references established notability of the band of which the subject is a member (and even that would seem a stretch), they do not reflect WP:SIGCOV for the subject directly. GNG and NMUSIC not met. Guliolopez (talk) 22:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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