Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlotte Devaney (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:27, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Devaney

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Create-protected page which was declined nine times as a draft was moved out of process by the main contributor to a disambiguation page, which was then moved by an unknowing editor to its current location.

The issues of the previous AFD, as well as the AFC comments, have not been addressed, namely that there is a lack of significant coverage of the individual in independent reliable sources. Primefac (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete as a recreation of a deleted page/circumvention of process (WP:CSD#G4). – Joe (talk) 18:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:37, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here's why the subject is worthy of its own article space. http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesSingleAccreds2016.htm The subject's single featuring Snoop Dogg received accreditations and charted in Australia. On top of that, the subject has reliable sources from news outlets. It's a borderline keep, basically. Scorpion293 (talk) 23:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
delete no evidence of notability on this article , secondly this article lack reliable sources. Samat lib (talk) 14:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Appears to pass WP:GNG. Has had a single which charted in Australia- Has had coverage in Independent-UK, BBC, The Mirror and Flavourmag. CBS527^Talk 18:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
comment there is no independent significant coverage about her as a musician, DJ , actress, or whatsover she claim on any reliable news article, from those sources you just mention on the article page @User talk:cbs527 please kindly read those article again and again, ... maybe you will find out why this article is not relevant Samat lib (talk) 12:56, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did not make a determination as to whether the subject passes WP:NMUSIC or not. I agree a number of sources in the article are not that great, but a search of Google and High Beam produce a number of independant, reliable sources concerning the subject to pass WP:GNG. Additionally, The Australian Recording Industry Association certified that her recording "Flip It" achieved Platinum status in 2016 which would indicate subject passes WP:NMUSIC as well. [1] CBS527^Talk 19:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep easily per WP:NMUSIC, various categories. I don't know what is the play here. The subject is required to qualify on only one criteria of NMUSIC, but qualifies on various, as listed:

NMUSIC#2: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." – Devaney charted in the official ARIA charts and topped at #12.^[2][3] This is of course apart from cracking the top 10 on iTunes Australian charts.^[4]
NMUSIC#3: "Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country." – Devaney's record was certified Gold after multiple weeks on the charts.^[5]
NMUSIC#12: "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network." – BBC, ABC... there are just too many such national networks playing her on rotation; you can expect that of chart toppers.

Like I said, all NMUSIC requires is for the subject to qualify on one criterion to be kept. Here, the subject qualifies on multiple criteria. This is an investment of time of editors on a deletion discussion that should not have been done. Lourdes 04:39, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject meets WP:BLPCRIME as their charges have been documented by BBC News and The Independent; combine with the minor WP:NMUSIC accomplishments, it means they meet our guidelines for an article. Let's hope whoever tried passing it through AfC doesn't have a conflict of interest, as they'll have now got their client documented as a kidnapper all over the internet. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie333, small note. BLPCRIME doesn't apply to well-known people. You probably meant WELLKNOWN. Lourdes 16:59, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that "well known" is marginal; certainly the sources describe her as a "DJ and producer", which isn't particularly special. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Ritchie333. I've seen BLPCRIME applied as an exclusion criterion and not inclusion (for example, Chaz has not been convicted, therefore, per BLPCRIME, if she weren't well known, we should remove the accusations from her BLP). That's why mentioned it. No worries either way. Lourdes 17:14, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'll be honest, I missed the Platinum ranking. Withdrawing my support per the above keep arguments. Primefac (talk) 13:59, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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