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"Western world" or "Europe"?
LittleJerry, friends, lionfolk, lend me your ears. A schism exists among us today, basically centred on whether Far Eastern, Middle Eastern and Near Eastern cultural significance of Leo should be understood relative to Old World approximation of the Western world that ended in the Sea, or post-15th century thinking, wherein Western culture is pretty much dominated by stuff from New York and Los Angeles (but also encompasses parts of Southern Ontario, South Australia and South Africa).
As a Roman Catholic Algonquin metalheaded forest spirit, I personally feel the subsection in question deals almost exclusively with the times and spaces living people collectively prefer to group as "European", or pertaining to Europe (minus the MGM mascot, arguably). But I appreciate how an editor who identifies as an Anglo-Saxon Protestant technopunk urban dweller (or other class) might read it differently. What say you, international volunteer committee? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:13, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Come to think of it, there's probably enough lion-related content to spin out a North American branch entirely. Off the top of my head, I can think of two teams Europeans wouldn't think of as football clubs and two luchadores the Turks, Uzbeks and Mongolians don't likely consider famous wrestlers. And there are multimedia licensing discrepancies, too. All in favour of recognizing/recognising at least the potential for a breakaway sublevel of trivial organization/organisation? Aye. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- You should ping others too, Casliber, SilverTiger12 and BhagyaMani. No we should not be splitting the sections over technicalities. They are nice and broad and this is an article on an animal, not a culture article. "Western world" is accurate enough for this. LittleJerry (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Agree to both, accurate enough + NOT split. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Nice to hear from and meet you. New here, so no idea who I should have pinged. I only singled out Jerry because we met in the reversion. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ah. greetings. I agree with LittleJerry and BhagyaMani that "Western World" is an appropriate term for the section- and any cultural content in the section should be restricted to only the most significant, long-term stuff; hair-splitting sections doesn't exactly encourage that parsimony.
- Those are some rather fascinating descriptions you used, by the way, and welcome to either Wikipedia (or this region of Wikipedia). Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have no strong leaning either way really, though "Western World" more inclusive and more aptly covers books etc. described Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Nice to hear from and meet you. New here, so no idea who I should have pinged. I only singled out Jerry because we met in the reversion. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Agree to both, accurate enough + NOT split. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- You should ping others too, Casliber, SilverTiger12 and BhagyaMani. No we should not be splitting the sections over technicalities. They are nice and broad and this is an article on an animal, not a culture article. "Western world" is accurate enough for this. LittleJerry (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, so everyone's here now, greetings and salutations! Seems clear there's consensus against splitting or renaming "Western world", and that's just peachy. But for consistency and dualism's sake, could it also be ducky to have an "Eastern world", comprising cultural bits and bobs from the Near, Far and seemingly forgotten Middle? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Something tells me I should also invite LionMans Account, strictly at face value, possibly just for an outside opinion. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- You shouldn't invite someone who is not a contributor to the article. LittleJerry (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Isn't that how you guys started, as outsiders? Maybe not. In any case, this was enlightening, but I've said my piece and whoever wants to take it or leave it can. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)\
- You shouldn't invite someone who is not a contributor to the article. LittleJerry (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
InedibleHulk, when ahead and divided it into Africa, Asia and the west. Three paragraphs each = better balance. LittleJerry (talk) 22:41, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- When we met, you seemed to say this wasn't geographical. I think Eastern world would make that clearer than Asia, and better complement its opposite. But three is tighter than four, in this context, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2021
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Tanmay yelane1 (talk) 16:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC) plz give me permission
Please Tanmay yelane1 (talk) 16:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Target
The article currently contains the sentence "Male lions usually aim for the backs or hindquarters of rivals, rather than their necks" in the "Mane" section of the article. I think this statement is a little confusing, and that context should be given here, and that the article should explicitly say something along the lines of "due to the protection provided by the mane" or "unlike other big cats". I don't want to be gun-ho about it because this is a featured article, so I said I'd ask for consensus. Xx78900 (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
CITES status
BhagyaMani thanks for your edits to the CITES sentence, however I don't entirely agree that reference to the CITES split listing of Lions should be removed from the taxobox section completely. I do agree that a ref tag is not the most appropriate way of doing this - thanks for pointing that out. I have substituted for a note instead. In my view, is it important to note the CITES status in the taxobox and given it is split listed it could be misleading to the reader to not refer here to the split listing. Hopefully your changes in the text body and this amendment will now make that clear for readers. Goldfinger00 (talk) 03:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Correct etymology
etymologically, lion comes from Old French lion which derives from Latin accusative LEONEM (nominative LEO) – it's important to explain this, as LEO does not sound like LION, while LEONEM (pronounced LEONE(nasalized E)) looks more like LION — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:F1:2F3F:B81:5DF4:D930:6A7A:CCC3 (talk) 13:07, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for spotting this! I've edited that sentence, and it now looks like this. Let me know if you'd like to see changes made to that. – Uanfala (talk) 00:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
"Not fully understood"
It says in the opening paragraph that the cause of the decline in lion populations is "not fully understood". Why does it say that, even though it is obvious that poaching by humans is causing it.
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