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Mahsa Amini(Jina)

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The subject was not notable prior to her death. The article Death of Mahsa Amini is more than adequate to report all details of her life and death. WWGB (talk) 02:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep There are enough sources for that. Article Death of Mahsa Amini is different from this article. It is common on Wikipedia to make separate articles to prevent articles from oversizing for significant portions. This article is about mahsa amini's biography.I believe that in accordance with Wikipedia's laws, it is absolutely right that there is a separate article for Mahsa Amini's biography. also She is the main symbol of Iran's 2022 protests and a part of Iran's history. for that just look how International Media, Politicians, Celebrities and The general public of the world speak about her: BBC, The Guardian, DW News, The New York Times and lots of other great medias.H2KL (talk) 08:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC) — H2KL (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    They all talk about her death. She wasn't famous before, she doesn't get famous until the events of her death. Oaktree b (talk) 12:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge She is well known, but it is all a 1E single event. She didn't have standalone notability before that event. Merge to Death of Mahsa Amini where the summary article is. The core of the article is already duplicated with the majority of the details on the main articles, with a better picture, with only transitory details left in this article. The summary article even has better image. There is form for this. scope_creepTalk 09:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Outside of her death, her life was rather routine. Had she not died, shouldn't be notable. Even this article tells more about her death and reaction to it than to the rest of her life. Duplication that isn't needed. Very much 1E. Oaktree b (talk) 12:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Her "life section" in this article is barely a paragraph. More about her death and reaction to it, again which is already explained in another article. She doesn't get two articles that basically tell the same thing, that's not what wikipedia is for. Oaktree b (talk) 13:48, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I added new content to the biography. This article is in the early stages of creation and needs to be completed, which users will complete over time. DavidR2021 (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article on Mahsa Amini protests was separated from the article on Death of Mahsa Amini so as not to be too big. So, separating the biography like this article is also quite logical, it just needs to be completed because it is in the early stages of creation. It will be completed by users. i added some new information to the biography.DavidR2021 (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC) — DavidR2021 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    The amount of biographical information currently available does not appear to justify a separate article per WP:WHENSPLIT. If her biography becomes too large for the Death of Mahsa Amini article, then the article may be split into a separate article. This article currently appears to be a WP:REDUNDANTFORK and should be merged into the main article about the notable event of her death - this is still a recent event and it seems better for article development and WP:NPOV to focus on one main article for now. Beccaynr (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I added new texts with the related sources. I believe it is better to be kept. her biography will be expanded here very soon it is better to remain separated like Hadis Najafi. DavidR2021 (talk) 15:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In the pending Hadis Najafi AfD discussion, I suggest renaming the article to Death of Hadis Najafi because of WP:BLP1E policy and the WP:EVENT guideline, and I think similar reasoning applies to why it is currently better to selectively merge biographical content from the Mahsa Amini(Jina) article into the Death of Mahsa Amini article, although there are additional considerations here, because there are already two articles related to Mahsa Amini, in addition to this article, which was created [1] after an attempt to rename the Death of Mahsa Amini article [2] was reverted [3] and the article then protected [4] by Tamzin. Beccaynr (talk) 19:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Beccaynr Sorry but Nika Shakarami and Hadis Najafi and lot of other people protested and sacrificed their lives for Mahsa Amini. Now we see in wikipedia they have articles but you want to remove the main character article, Mahsa Amini???!!! and for that you are using Wikipedia laws??? it is not logical ... Caravaneternity (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Caravaneternity, this article appears to be an attempt to evade consensus at the Death of Mahsa Amini article, e.g. as discussed in a section about the use of the word "allegedly", and appears to create a POV fork contrary to WP:NPOV policy, as well as issues related to using WP:WIKIVOICE. There also appears to be no discussion on the Death of Mahsa Amini Talk page after the attempt to rename that article was reverted and the consensus process noted on your Talk page. A merge seems best at this time so editors can work together according to policies and guidelines, which will not remove Mahsa Amini from the encyclopedia, but instead help ensure that her life, death, and legacy is presented in an encyclopedic manner and according to consensus. Beccaynr (talk) 16:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Beccaynr I think there is a big misunderstanding ..No it's not trying to evade consensus at the Death of Mahsa Amini article. just go and see what happened at Wikipedia Farsi. there are separated articles for all subjects related to Mahsa Amini including biography, death, protests, timeline of protests and several other articles. I don't know why you are resisting to advance articles with the subjects of Mahsa Amini. there is no different between now and future. we can advance articles now why in future?? Caravaneternity (talk) 17:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Persian Wikipedia is a terrible and highly biased project. That project is indeed a joke. English Wikipedia should not and does not follow that project. 4nn1l2 (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @4nn1l2You are one of the active users and administrators of The Persian Wiki. This way of talking about it is a little strange!!!! Caravaneternity (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's exactly how I know that that project is no more than a joke. 4nn1l2 (talk) 17:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    They have even created a stand-alone article for the MahsaAmini hashtag: fa:مهسا امینی (هشتگ). Should the English Wikipedia follow them? Definitely not. 4nn1l2 (talk) 17:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    At Persian Wikipedia, they do not describe the disputes, but engage in them. 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    creating article for this hashtag is a right work.. for the first time in tweeter a hashtage has been retweeted more than 200 millions times .. so this it is notable .. Caravaneternity (talk) 18:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Per WP:N. She is notable for her unfortunate death, not as a person. The vast majority of the information in this article is already mentioned in Death of Mahsa Amini. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Mahsa amini is the main symbole of iranian new unity. It would be better to keep this article like Hadis Najafi. It will be completed soon. DavidR2021 (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There's nothing in WP:NBIO that asserts that to be notable a person must be notable before they died. A person may not be notable while they are alive, but become notable through their notable death, thus because of the manner in which they die or the circumstances of their death. See WP:1E. If a person dies heroically in battle or is murdered by state actors leading to the person becoming a martyr, then their death and eventually the person themself will likely one day become all the more notable than, say, one of the many victims of a serial killer. If a person becomes notable in the first instance because of their death, then it may take some time for reporters in the mainstream media to conduct research, or carry out interviews with surviving family members, lovers, friends, workmates etc to fill in the missing details of that person's life. If there's a Wikipedia article entitled the Death of Jane Doe, then that article should only be about the death of Jane Doe, with perhaps a very little about what Jane Doe did and what was done to her immediately leading up to her death, and then a lttle more information about the consequences of her death. The article should not contain information about Jane Doe's life prior to her death for the obvious reason that the article is not about her life but about her death. In my view, compared to the current EB online and other online encyclopaedias, many Wikipedia articles are far too long and badly structured precisely because they have grown organically with the help of many contributors. Trying to break the article up later comes with its own problems. Much better if possible to try to impose a logical hierarchy on the article at the beginning with subarticles created from the word go in the manner of a scholarly encyclopaedia put together by experts. To summarise then, every WP article about the notable death of a person thereby makes the person notable, and should be accompanied at the outset by a subarticle about their life, even if initially the subarticle is merely a single sentence stub. 82.15.254.27 (talk) 18:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia also know seems like it is supporting Western media and its propaganda. Why can't they tell? Muhafiz-e-Pakistan (talk) 14:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Cause Eastern media sources are unreliable? Chinese media is horribly biased, as are Russian sources. We can only use what we can trust. Oaktree b (talk) 16:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - We already have [[Death of Mahsa Amini] and we don't need an article on her alone when we already have one on her death which is more notable than her. Merge to Death of Mahsa Amini is more relevant ... Muhafiz-e-Pakistan (talk)
  • Keep: -Mahsa Amini and Nika Shakarami in Iran are the heroes of the people and People like to know more about them and their life. in my opinion Resources are complete and separating articles to prevent over-enlargement of the article is the best Idea. حامدصالحزاده (talk) 18:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The account was created juts an hour before this vote. --Mhhossein talk 06:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mhhossein, Sorry but you are a big liar. I signed up on 19 July and was active in Persian Wikipedia. I also created this article کلیمیان سقز حامدصالحزاده (talk) 07:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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