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Category:Wikipedians with ADHD
- Nominator's rationale: This was recreated following a DRV overturning a prior deletion from 2007 for mainly procedural reasons. No convincing evidence has been presented that it "has the capacity to facilitate coordination and collaboration between users for the improvement of the encyclopedia", so it should be re-deleted. @Extraordinary Writ, VegaDark, Frank Anchor, Goldsztajn, Jclemens, Liz, Hobit, Alalch E., Sandstein, and Thryduulf: * Pppery * it has begun... 23:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:USERCAT. This was hypothesized to be a category which groups users by interest in a subject but the right category for that would be Category:Wikpedians interested in attention disorders or Category:Wikpedians interested in neurodevelopmental disorders; renaming won't work because Wikipedians who don't have ADHD may be interested in ADHD, and some who have it may not be interested in it from a Wikipedia-relevant angle. —Alalch E. 00:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete substantially per the above. USERCATs should not entice people to share their medical or mental health conditions, the "interested in..." formulation has no such problems. Jclemens (talk) 05:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- keep As far as I can tell the topic of this user category is neither "appropriate" nor "inappropriate" per WP:USERCAT. So I don't think arguments based on that guideline hold water. I understand Jclemens' objection, but again, that's not a reason for deletion AFAICT. I really don't see a reason to disallow a Wikipedian from disclosing their medical issues if they so choose. If folks think that's a bad idea for any reason (and I can certainly see some arguments for that), I'd suggest starting a discussion and updating USERCAT and maybe a few other guidelines about user pages. Hobit (talk) 05:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, just having ADHD does not imply willingness to collaborate on content regarding ADHD. Suggest starting Category:Wikpedians interested in attention disorders and notifying users in the current category about that. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as the biggest community of Wikipedians by medical condition, very useful to find users with similar issues and interests, in order to work together on the related topics, just like already happens with Wikipedians with autism (who also have Wikipedia autism and WikiProject Autism). Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 08:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Public officials from Allentown, Pennsylvania
- Nominator's rationale: There is no clear definition of what constitutes a public official and no other similar categories to my knowledge. As such, this is a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. User:Namiba 23:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete All of these people have very different occupations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge, there is also no Category:Public officials in the United States tree where this category might fit. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Ancient Egyptian texts
- Propose merging Category:Ancient Egyptian texts to Category:Ancient Egyptian literature
- Nominator's rationale: No meaningful distinction between "texts" and "literature" - literature is the term commonly used for texts - car chasm (talk) 23:21, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- leave unmerged as I understand it, most ancient texts are things like inventory and bookkeeping--not things that could be called "literature" but are still "texts". Hobit (talk) 05:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- That's not in anyway clear to me, people refer to works of literature as "texts" all the time, and certainly many things called "literature" are listed under texts so it seems like others may have the same confusion. Perhaps they should be swapped with "texts" as the parent and "literature" as the subcat? - car chasm (talk) 06:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, it may be useful to distinguish a topic category (literature) and a set category (texts) though I am not sure if a topic category can be properly populated in the case of ancient Egypt. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Bronze Age literature
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:DEFINING, WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION, WP:SMALLCAT - all of the entries here already belong in Category:Ancient Near East literature and all but two of them (Ugaritic, Hittite) continued into the Iron age. Category:Ancient Near East literature can be categorized under Category:Iron Age and Category:Bronze Age to fix the category tree. - car chasm (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, trivial intersection. In addition it is not a good idea to categorize Category:Ancient Near East literature under Category:Iron Age and Category:Bronze Age because it is not a subset of any of the two. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- weak keep yes there is overlap, but ANE literature notably combines Bronze Age and Iron Age literature, and a category that covers half of another major category is hardly "overcategorization". There are also minor exceptions that belong in the Bronze Age but not the ANE category, mostly Rigveda and ancient China. I understand the impetus to reduce excessive category cruft, but this noble impulse is overshooting its mark in this particular case imho. --dab (𒁳) 08:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Ancient Middle Eastern wisdom literature
- Nominator's rationale: Standard naming convention is "Ancient Near East" - car chasm (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:People's Mujahedin of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:Conflicts involving the People's Mujahedin of Iran to Category:Conflicts involving the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:Early People's Mujahedin of Iran members to Category:Early People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran members
- Propose renaming Category:Installations used by the People's Mujahedin of Iran to Category:Installations used by the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:People assassinated by the People's Mujahedin of Iran to Category:People assassinated by the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:People's Mujahedin of Iran to Category:People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:People's Mujahedin of Iran members to Category:People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran members
- Propose renaming Category:People's Mujahedin of Iran politicians to Category:People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran politicians
- Nominator's rationale: C2D per People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran. Charles Essie (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Support, there is a lot of editing in this article and no sign of opposition against this name that I could find. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:British colonels
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only category like this in Category:British military officers. Everybody else is categorised by their service, not their rank. This one lumps together anyone who held a specific rank no matter which service they belonged to (including the British Indian Army, which was not even part of the British Armed Forces despite the blurb). What is its point? Pure unnecessary overcategorisation which is of no use whatsoever to a reader. Who cares which officers reached the rank of colonel and no higher? -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Presocratic philosophical literature
- Propose merging Category:Presocratic philosophical literature to Category:Ancient Greek philosophical literature
- Propose merging Category:Classical Greek philosophical literature to Category:Ancient Greek philosophical literature
- Propose merging Category:Hellenistic philosophical literature to Category:Ancient Greek philosophical literature
- Propose splitting Category:Ancient Roman philosophical literature to Category:Ancient Greek philosophical literature and Category:Classical Latin philosophical literature
- Nominator's rationale:
- WP:SMALLCAT for hellenistic and presocratic, unlikely to ever have more than a few entries. - car chasm (talk) 09:37, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Change name of Ancient Roman to "Classical Latin" and categorize by language instead per WP:DEFINING, move greek works to Ancient Greek - car chasm (talk) 09:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Support merging the first three per WP:SMALLCAT but purge De rerum natura (thus is ancient Roman, not ancient Greek). Oppose splitting the 4th unless is evidence is provided that Greek- and Latin-language ancient Roman philosophy are substantially different from each other (e.g. different philosophical schools). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground
- Propose upmerge Category:Algiers Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Algiers Metro stations
- Propose upmerge Category:Algiers Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Algiers Metro stations
- Propose upmerge Category:Athens Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Athens Metro stations
- Propose upmerge Category:Athens Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Athens Metro stations
- Propose upmerge Category:Brussels metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Brussels metro stations
- Propose upmerge Category:Brussels metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Brussels metro stations
- Propose deleting Category:Budapest Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Budapest Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Copenhagen Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Copenhagen Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose upmerge Category:Helsinki Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Helsinki Metro stations
- Propose upmerge Category:Helsinki Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Helsinki Metro stations
- Propose deleting Category:Lisbon Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lisbon Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:London Underground stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:London Underground stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mexico City Metro stations located above ground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mexico City Metro stations located underground (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Very recently created category that does not meet WP:CATDEFINING. While stations can generally be said to be above or below ground, they are not commonly and consistently referred to as such. AFAICT, these were all recently created by a single editor without discussion.
- Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground is a misnomer. If above ground, then not underground.
- Category:Underground rapid transit stations located underground is unsurprisingly redundant.
- Delete where already categorized by line. Upmerge where the stations are not already in another subcategory.
- See recent:
- Deleted Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 2#Category:SkyTrain (Vancouver) stations located above ground
- Deleted Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 11#Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground
- Deleted Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground
- William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- For consistency, please close this the same way as previous discussions, regardless of what the consensus was. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Mexican female child singers
- Nominator's rationale: There is only one "female child singers" category for any country, and its one member is in all relevant parent categories (21st-century Mexican women singers, Mexican child singers). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC) - Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Category:Kosovan ski jumping biography stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category with no evidence of approval by WikiProject stub sorting. As always, editors are not free to create stub categories willy-nilly for just one article -- there have to be 60 or more articles to be filed in a stub category before it can be created, and for that very reason stub categories have to be approved by the WikiProject before they can be created, but this features just one article and has no evidence of project approval. I'm agnostic about whether the stub template is needed or not; it would be harmless if it was sorting the article into other more general stub categories that already exist, but it's not clearly needed for just one article either. So I leave the template for consensus to decide on, but a dedicated category cannot be kept for just one article. Bearcat (talk) 00:35, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete category and template, both are not needed when it concerns only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete category and template — and we should make WP:SMALLCAT a bit larger, too: 60 would be good.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- 60 is not at all a feasible bar for primary content categories; there are a lot of circumstances where a category much smaller than that is entirely appropriate and necessary, and we also have to balance the issue of small categories against parent categories that might become too large to be browsable without diffusion into subcategories. Stub categories, however, are different — they're meant for internal project maintenance, not end-user browsing, so the bar can be very different for them than it is for end-user content categories. Bearcat (talk) 19:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)