Talk:Racial discrimination

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I removed the {{merge}} [[racism]]. note because racism is not simple racial discrimination, but discrimination combined with the power to negatively affect the lives of the group that's discriminated against -- that's the classic definition if racism. Before the word was introduced to mainstream U.S. society by Black activists in the civil rights movement in the the 1960, people talked about "racial discrimination" -- and "racism" was a new formulation to talk about a new concept. See power and Black power for more background about some of the thinking behind this (at the time) new formulation.

Also see [http://www.racematters.org/blackslackpowertoberacists.htm In bigot versus bigot, white racist is winner] -- an editorial by Leonard Pitts, Jr. on the topic -- and also [209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/606957/posts Black bigotry, white racism differ] -- an interesting discussion on FreeRepublic.com after someone posted the article there.

Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 15:37, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Racial discrimination ≈ "Apartheid" laws outside South Africa

Currently Racial discrimination redirects to Racism which is a very long article that explains and illustrates the phenomenon at length and provides numerous examples. The article is written mainly from a US perspective and with the mental baggage of someone well aware of recent US history. Apartheid outside South Africa has an article of its own that deals specifically with legislation based on racial discrimination, even though the term "Apartheid" is a historical term used officially only in South Africa and Namibia during the Cold War years. "Apartheid" when applied elsewhere is merely a political epithet; it is not the proper official term in those regimes whose legal and political systems are currently based on racial divisions within their societies. In other words, these countries never refer to such laws as "Apartheid laws"; it is an anacgronistic misnomer used for the effect of drawing parallels and perhaps to draw on the negative connotations of the word "Apartheid" even before the reader has had a chance to reflect for him or herself on the effects of racially discriminatory laws. Therefore, I propose moving the content of the Apartheid outside South Africa article to the redirect page Racial discrimination. //Big Adamsky 16:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Would "Institutional Racism", "Legislated Racial Discrimination" or something along those lines be more appropriate as a title? This would avoid any confusion around the "Apartheid" term, would be more descriptive, and would distinguish this subject from the much broader "Racism". Waggers 16:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

American-western-centric view

• The first section in this article focuses heavily on an American world view and almost entirely on a western world view.

• additionally a section has appeared on so-called "reverse racism" which, as far ass I can tell, is a term which exclusively deals with racism (perceived or genuine) against white people.

• It should be understood that this article is in the process of being created so it would be hasty to start tagging it. Thanks for not doing so at the present stage and giving it time to develop first. In the mean time, it would be good to include sections on Asia. Discrimination is a particularly prominent subject in Myanmar, Malaysia and the Philippines as well as China (Uighur minorities, Tibetan and other non Han-minorities in the north) and in Central and Eastern Asia to name a few. I mention these in particular because they are all areas in which racial discrimination and even segregation is ongoing in communities and between races, which do not have significant white communities. This article's scope is quite far reaching by definition and it should not get pinned into another "white people vs x" corner. Edaham (talk) 03:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Arllaw (who tagged it) and Edaham : I have added worldwide focus (India and Jordan are the most racist, as it transpires), and rearranged, but I have to leave it at this stage. Is it slightly better now? Zezen (talk) 10:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm going through the changes now. I think going through sections about discrimination in other articles about countries is a good idea and could quickly supply a list of sources to get that section off the ground. Edaham (talk) 11:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Edaham: it is a wise approach. I leave it to you then, i.e. I won't touch it further. Zezen (talk) 13:09, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

This was a good start, i understand that the article is just now coming together but more information is needed and more backgorund is needed on the topic as wel ~~Kennedy Walker~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwalke26 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

A silly introduction

The most recent contribution to the lede on this page by user:Alexkyoung does not assist the reader. Actually, our page on the History of Antisemitism outlines appropriately the complexity of historical discrimination against Jews. Its also not accurate to suggest "100 years ago Jews were not considered white" and thus this is the sole cause of discrimination against Jews. And racial discrimination is not something that began two centuries ago either. Finding a newspaper article after making an edit that includes the words Jews and non white to justify the edit is simply silly. By the way, this page is on my watch list - and please stop going offline to individual talk pages to threaten and cajole other users. Here is the place to discuss improvements to articles. So... what do other users think of Alexkyoung's contribution here? Nickm57 (talk) 04:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

The recent additions to the lead are not neutral in tone, are not appropriate for the lead, do not follow the content of the article, and are not adequately supported by references. Thus it is my opinion that they should be removed from the lead. Arllaw (talk) 04:13, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Agree removed...that said the article needs some help.--Moxy 🍁 04:16, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

^so is this your sockpuppet? You need to be more convincing than that.Alexkyoung (talk) 04:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Let's try to keep things civil, and avoid any edit warring or possible violations of the three-revert rule. Arllaw (talk) 04:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

So dispite the horible source that only covers on tiny aspect of the addition of info that is not in the body of the article....some of theses could be mentioned here.--Moxy 🍁 05:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

It's not a great source, is it. I noticed this conflagration through a reference at someone's talkpage. Best if things can slow down and commonality among the adversaries can be found—not easy to do, I concede. Tony (talk) 05:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

My main concern was all the info not sourced... nor in the article ... does the academic community consider these racial discrimination? As for the info on Jews we should be more encompassing of the problem with a real source...Jew's, Italians, Irish all had problemsJoshua Miller, MSW, PhD; Ann Marie Garran, MSW, PhD (25 January 2017). Racism in the United States, Second Edition: Implications for the Helping Professions. Springer Publishing Company. pp. 53–. ISBN 978-0-8261-4885-8.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link).--Moxy 🍁 06:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

I do not find the sentence,

Policies of racial segregation may formalize it, but it is also often exerted without being legalised and also it means facing injustice.

To be particularly clear or helpful. Perhaps proposed changes to to lead can be discussed here, before being made them live? Arllaw (talk) 15:41, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Your are free to change the lead as you see fit as per sources ...but would not hurt to propose any changes here first. National Research Council; Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education; Committee on National Statistics (24 July 2004). Measuring Racial Discrimination. National Academies Press. pp. 56–. ISBN 978-0-309-09126-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)--Moxy 🍁 16:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

I rewrote the intro today, focusing on more salient aspects of racial discrimination. However, I added a new section "Boundary problems and related forms of discrimination" which mentions the issue of the whiteness of some groups being challenged, among many other aspects of drawing racial boundaries and how racial discrimination relates ethnicity, religion, caste, national origin, etc. It's mostly summaries of linked articles, where we actually have a fair amount of detail on these topics, with references. -- Beland (talk) 02:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Is this racism anyways? There should be added a link to Racism on this wiki here!

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English

About expanding the content of an outline using notes from primary and secondary sources 49.146.110.24 (talk) 06:14, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Racism

Racism 2601:601:9E81:7420:8DEC:62C8:CD92:6DFF (talk) 03:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)