Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014–15 Albanian Second Division

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that we should not expect the same level of online sources for Albanian subjects as UK / US ones. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2014–15 Albanian Second Division

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Albanian lower leagues, fails notability criterias and its only one season for each.

I am also nominating the following related pages for same reason:

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 10:52, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 15:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (but you can delete the third division) Linhart (talk) 22:07, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Given that we have season articles all the way down to level 10 in England, it would seem to be systematic bias to delete the third/fourth tier ones for Albania. Number 5 7 09:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:NSEASONS and WP:NOTSTATS; there is no substantial prose here and the league doesn't appear to be fully pro. Only the first two tiers of Albania are fully pro so this clearly fails NSEASONS. I can't see any evidence of a WP:GNG pass. Spiderone 17:48, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Spiderone: WP:NSEASONS is for club seasons, not league seasons, so is not relevant here. Professional status is not relevant to league season articles, hence why we have them on all the leagues listed by Linhart below. Number 5 7 18:47, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me how the article passes WP:GNG Spiderone 20:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have access to Albanian sources, so I can't. Have you checked them to see what coverage this league gets? Number 5 7 21:58, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Kategoria+e+Dyt%C3%AB%22 Linhart (talk) 11:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Then delete all

National League (National, North, South)
Isthmian League (Premier, North, South) · 
Northern Premier League (Premier, North, South) · 
Southern League (Premier, Central, South & West)
Combined Counties League (Premier, One) · 
East Midlands Counties League (level 10 only) · 
Eastern Counties League (Premier, One) · 
Essex Senior League (level 9 only) · 
Hellenic League (Premier, One East, One West) · 
Midland League (Premier, One) · 
Northern Counties East League (Premier, One) · 
Northern League (One, Two) · 
North West Counties League (Premier, One) · 
Southern Combination League (Premier, One) · 
Southern Counties East League (Premier, One) · 
South West Peninsula League Premier Division (level 10 only) · 
Spartan South Midlands League (Premier, One) · 
United Counties League (Premier, One) · 
Wessex League (Premier, One) · 
Western League (Premier, One) · 
West Midlands (Regional) League (level 10 only)

season articles. Linhart (talk) 17:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would not be opposed to season articles being deleted especially something as low as the 10th tier provided GNG is not met. This is however merely a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Spiderone 20:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a case of quoting OTHERSTUFFEXISTS without the knowledge that it can be used just as much to argue for keeping articles as for deleting them. I'll refer back to the systematic bias point here. Number 5 7 21:58, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's also a valuable comparison, "these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes". There were debates about lower regional leagues and apparently the consensus was to keep them. See here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_68#Season_articles_for_Regional_Football_Leagues. And the Albanian second league is not even a regional league, it is a national league. The league itself is notable, the clubs in it are notable, so the season should be also. There are also enough sources (in albanian of course). Keping english, german etc. lower regional leagueas and deleting albanian second division would be just biased. I agree with Numer 57. I must also say that I personaly didn't expect such a proposal from Nikola. Linhart (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - given that the first and second tiers are confirmed as fully professional and the third tier is a national level competition, I find it inconceivable that there is insufficient coverage of this competition in Albanian sources not to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 11:04, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per comments about systemic bias. The lack of notability articles at present does not mean that they do not exist. Egaoblai (talk) 13:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable, and as others have mentioned, we have to be careful to avoid systemic bias. If nominator feels this kind of article is not inherently notable, he should establish consensus in the relevant places rather than selectively pick them off one by one. Smartyllama (talk) 19:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep while the teams in these divisions may not be individually notable, the league as a whole is. Power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:34, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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