User talk:Soetermans

Marvel Snap

Hello! I'm very new to Wikipedia and just today saw the edit history for Marvel Snap. I'd love to discuss why I think a list of characters is a valuable feature for the page. Marvel Snap has a large focus on collecting cards/characters, having a list of cards(with links to their lore as mentioned by another user) would be a very valuable feature for many visitors to learn about the characters in the game. Maybe adding the character list as a smaller category within the gameplay section, with a sentence discussing that major part of the game. I'd argue that the collection aspect of the game is nearly as important as the "match gameplay" which is already described there. I'm very passionate about Marvel Snap but I of course respect Wikipedia's rules and manuals, however I'd argue since the collection aspect of the game is central to its gameplay, a list of collectible characters is a reasonable addition. I'd love to discuss further if you'd like. Drewfusmcge7 (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Drewfusmcge7, welcome to Wikipedia. It's great that you want to improve the article of Marvel Snap, but a long list of characters doesn't add anything substantial. I've pointed to WP:GAMEGUIDE, since Wikipedia isn't one. Even more so, Wikipedia is written for a general audience, not for people familiar with Marvel Snap. To get an encyclopedic understanding of the subject, we do not need to list the cards/characters. Take the character Debrii for instance: listing and linking to the character does not make me understand Marvel Snap any better or how Yondu is different. It would be WP:GAMETRIVIA to list their in-game functions, statistics, attacks, weaknesses, etc. What can be added is an example of how certain characters work, in the gameplay section. That's a better option, that helps with understanding the game from a general encyclopedic point.

But if you like to help Wikipedia, in its current state, Marvel Snap can be expanded upon. There's very little on its development and even less on its reception, when the reception table shows all these reviews. That's what makes it notable in the first place, that's what Wikipedia articles are for. Not gameguide material, but you know, boring, un-sexy information on development and reception. Hope this helps. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome and the thoughtful reply. I will think about ways I can improve the page outside the character list. Drewfusmcge7 (talk) 19:52, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi Soetermans. After reviewing your request, I have enabled rollback on your account. Please keep the following things in mind while using rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle or RedWarn.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
• Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into trouble or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Katie^talk 16:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi KrakatoaKatie, thanks again for granting me powers beyond belief. I of course understand the difference between vandalism and a good faith edit, but what about the middle ground? For example, I've been reverting gameguide material on Marvel Super War (see history). Earlier today, Mykz 2.0, a newly created account, added an even more detailed gameguide section, which I reverted. Benefit of the doubt in that case and undo instead of rollback? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Overwerk (January 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AngusWOOF was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Soetermans! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! [[User:AngusWOOF

AngusW🐶🐶F]] (bark • sniff) 16:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

"new editors like yourself", AngusWOOF, moi? I feel like a nineteen year old again! soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

oh, heh, that teahouse templating again! AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I made this draft more than five years ago and was in my sandbox all that time. I just stumbled upon it again. I figured, maybe it's notable. I've AfD'ed it, time to get rid of it. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Welcoming unregistered users with kindness and helping to grow the community while also fostering positive civil debate Eamesheard (talk) 07:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Pedro Pascal name change

Hello! I figured I would message you instead of edit-warring on the Wikipedia page of Pedro Pascal. I looked at Chilean naming customs, and they ARE the same as Spanish naming customs, the same as what virtually every country in Spanish-speaking Latin America uses. This is what the Wiki says:

Instead of primer apellido (first surname) and segundo apellido (second surname), legally, the following expressions are used: apellido paterno (paternal surname) and apellido materno (maternal surname). Both surnames are equally important and having two surnames is obligation for any person in birth registrations, the use of them are mandatory for any official document.

The only difference I can see is the terms that are used to describe paternal and maternal surnames. The naming system itself is still Spanish naming customs. However I've seen other websites that say apellido paterno and "apellido materno" when describing the naming customs of ALL Spanish-speaking countries, so I don't see why his page needs to say he has a "Chilean" name as opposed to a "Spanish" name (I'm not referring to the actual origins of his surnames here).

To clarify, I'm not Spanish but instead of Portuguese (Brazilian) origins and we use a naming system very similar to Spanish naming customs. As far as I know, most to all of the former Portuguese colonies use the same naming customs that Portugal has. FrozenIcicle (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi FrozenIcicle! Thanks for reaching out and starting a discussion. I have to be honest: I'm not familiar with Spanish naming customs or those of Latin America. Since there is such a thing as Chilean name, I'd figure there must be some difference. Maybe you can start a discussion at Talk: Pedro Pascal? Perhaps it's a good idea to check with WP:CHILE (or even WP:SPAIN? I'm afraid I'm very busy with real life and can't say I can be actively involved. Thanks, and happy editing. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 18:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Off Menu talkpage

Hey again! How do we go about archiving or auto-archiving the Off Menu talkpage? I can't spend so much of my time answering the same people asking the same questions all over again. Suppose it's a relief that IP editors don't know they could go into the history tab and restore the menus! Anyway, I'm getting to the point that we need to draw this to a close. Any ideas? doktorb _words^deeds 07:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Doktorbuk, I've added an archived discussion template. Hope that helps! soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Atomic Heart Source Removal

Im sorry about that i wanted to delete the text about the game having stealth elements (when it only has the option of taking out enemies with a QTE) and i thought that if i delete the text i should delete the source so it doesn't lead to information that isn't present anymore. Again, i apologize and will explain my edits more often. Starman2377 (talk) 15:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Free fire (video game) edit reverted

Hi, i added free fire game maps in the article but you reverted my edits. why? Metmoney (talk) 08:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Metmoney, as I pointed out in my edit summary, Wikipedia is not a WP:GAMEGUIDE. A list with descriptions of in-game maps is inappropriate content. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:20, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 15

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User:Gamingmaster83 has been reported at ANEW

Hi, I've made a report of this user at ANEW for their disruptive behaviour, please see this link. Thanks. AP 499D25 (talk) 07:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your message and taking the time to report them. I'm not sure if they understand what they did wrong, but in the meantime they did restore the hidden comment at least. Thanks, and happy editing. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 07:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Atomic Heart

Why do you revert all my edits? What does 'Russian links' even mean? Is it prohibited to be a Russian developer or to be Russian investor with ties to Kremlin? Don't you agree, that these 2 statements are not the same? And this should be explained in preambula. Orange-kun (talk) 08:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

You can find the answers to your questions by reading the actual article beyond the lead. See Atomic Heart (video game)#Controversy. Stop adding unnecessary or ambiguous words to the lead. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

What can be more ambiguous than Russian links? Lead shouldn't be ambiguous, please change it to reflect the facts. And they aren't 'unnecessary'--Orange-kun (talk) 08:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

The lead is the summation of the article. I've pointed you to the relevant section. I'll break down your edits. Currently, the Atomic Heart (video game)#Controversy reads:

Atomic Heart developer Mundfish has been accused of harvesting data of users based in Russia and providing it to Russia's security services. The developer has denied the allegations. While Mundfish itself has no direct ties to Russian president Putin, its publisher and some of its investors are.

The game has become subject of controversy due in part of its anticipated release date, which nearly coincided with the first year anniversary of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and Defender of the Fatherland Day. Critics had questioned the timing of the release of a game featuring Soviet and Russian military themes. Mundfish claimed that the company is neutral in world affairs and "do not comment on politics or religion" and the studio is "is undeniably a pro-peace organization against violence against people". The Ukrainian Ministry of Digital Transformation criticised the statement for its vagueness, saying "the developers of the game did not come out with a public statement condemning the Putin regime and the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

Independent of this criticism, the game's music composer Mick Gordon released a statement condemning the war and donating his fee from the project to the Red Cross Ukraine Crisis appeal.

• With these edits, you changed 'Russian links' to 'Vladimir Putin'. That's not what the section says: Mundfish is accused of harvesting data and the publisher has ties to the Putin regim, not to Vladimir Putin directly.
• With this edit, you changed the wording to ambiguous and you're casting doubt. "Despite the fact" is editorialising on your part. Atomic Heart was released in February 2023, of course it got more attention then and that's part of the controversy, with a Russian-developed first-person shooter game with Soviet influences. And that a game has been in development for a long time doesn't somehow mean there aren't any ties to the Putin regime. Maybe you don't agree, but that's what the sources say (see references).
• With your latest edit, you unnecessarily added the {{clarify}} template. It looks like you're trying to cast doubt on the supposed Russian links, but the sentence reads "It has been the subject of controversy over its alleged Russian links, following the country's ongoing invasion of Ukraine", so "Russian links" is directly followed by the invasion of Ukraine. There's very little room for doubt or misinterpretation there. I hope this helps. I see on your talk page that you speak (and I assume, also read) Russian. The article of Atomic Heart can be expanded upon, if you can find the Russian-language sources, please expand the article. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Tiny Tina's Wonderlands

I made additions to the "Writer(s)" section of the Tiny Tina's Wonderlands page to properly credit the other writers on the project. Source: I was the Lead Side Mission writer for the game.

Additional support for my edit:

This is a video capture of the Credits from Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, the start time should be at 6:40 if I created the link properly, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMudjJKaRPU&t=400s

Please undo your undo of my update. These people (yes, including myself), deserve to be credited.

(I also apologize if I did this post incorrectly, it's my first time using a Talk page.)

ConnorThomasCleary (talk) 15:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi ConnorThomasCleary, welcome to Wikipedia. I believe you're referring to this edit. You changed the 'writer(s)' field from Sam Winkler to Sam Winkler, Connor Thomas Cleary, Dante Silva, Lin Joyce, Sam Maggs, Joel McDonald and Danny Homan. Please see Template: Infobox video game#Full syntax:

1. If a single person is credited as "scenario director" or "scenario writer", list that person; synonyms for this position include "lead writer";

2. If there is a person credited as "scenario concept writer" or "[original] concept", also list that person here;

3. List no more than three people in this field.

Sam Winkler is credited as lead writer, I'm afraid you and your coworkers are to be omitted from the infobox. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 15:25, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Putting aside the fact that those specific terms are essentially irrelevant to how most game writing teams work, or how game writer titles work, because I'm not about to start that fight.

So if I understand this, and you, correctly, I should be able to at least put the three largest writing contributors? Which would be Sam Winkler, Connor Thomas Cleary, and Dante Silva. ConnorThomasCleary (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, no. No. 1 of the field description says "If a single person is credited as "scenario director" or "scenario writer", list that person; synonyms for this position include "lead writer", bold my emphasis. Sam Winkler has been credited as lead writer. No. 2 says "If there is a person credited as "scenario concept writer" or "[original] concept", also list that person here" and No. 3 says "List no more than three people in this field". You and your direct coworkers were not credited as "scenario concept writer" or "[original] concept", but as senior writers. No. 1 says list "scenario director", "scenario writer" or "lead writer", No. 2 says we can mention "scenario concept writer" or "[original] concept", No. 3 says keep it to three people. Nowhere does it say we can add two other writers besides the person credited as lead writer. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 14:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

But I'm telling you, those literally are not titles in the Video Game Industry. I have been in AAA game development for 5 years and I've never seen those titles before reading the Wikipedia description you're referring to. I was the Lead Side Mission Writer on the project, I managed a team and wrote most of the side missions myself, I deserve to be credited on Wikipedia. At this point it really just feels like you're being a stickler for the purpose of being a stickler. Those titles you mention, all except "Lead Writer", are basically gibberish. The thing says you can list up to 3 writers in that space. So let me do that. ConnorThomasCleary (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Why do you think you "deserve to be credited"? You weren't the lead writer, right? As it stands those are the guidelines and the guideline doesn't say we can randomly add two more people so we're not about to. Feel free to start a discussion on WikiProject Video Games though. Also, I failed to mention, you have a clear conflict of interest. You shouldn't edit the article at all, since you worked on it. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 16:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

To answer your question: Because I wrote nearly half of the game's content myself, plus managed and edited other writers' work on another large chunk of the content. Plus consistently consulted on the rest of the game, the main campaign. (There is significantly more side mission content than main campaign content.) And I was the official "Lead Side Mission Writer" during production. I had no control over how we were titled in the credits, and credits in video games are simply not consistent across the industry.

As for the conflict of interest, I think there's obviously a big difference between adding provable facts to the infobox, and trying to add something subjective to the main article.

But fine, I guess I have no choice but to start a discussion over there. Because the current infobox guidelines have almost no relevance to how a AAA game is either written or credited. ConnorThomasCleary (talk) 11:58, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and the infobox video game page also says "The popular names of the video game writers (*Plural). The names can wikilinked. The writers should be listed in the order of their contribution..." ConnorThomasCleary (talk) 12:06, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

New message from Aaron Liu

Hello, Soetermans. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 March 30.
Message added 20:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Aaron Liu (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aaron Liu, very kind of you to keep me posted. It's been a very long day today, I'll try to see the latest comments in the discussion tomorrow. Thanks, and happy editing! soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)