User talk:Agnostosgnostos

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Agnostosgnostos! Thank you for your contributions. I am Marek69 and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Marek.69 ^talk 18:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

re: your message

Hi Agnostosgnostos, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 23:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some tips to help you out!

Hi Agnostosgnostos, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Agnostosgnostos/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you.

One last thing to keep as a motto: "It's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article than it is to create fifty unreferenced one-line stubs!" Pesky (talk …stalk!) 08:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How references work

Simple references

These require two parts;

a)

Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>

b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";

== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Agnostosgnostos/reftest and try it out.

Named references

Chzz was born in 1837. <ref name=MyBook>
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> 

Chzz lives in Footown.<ref name=MyBook/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Here's a little bit of magic which can save you an awful lot of time and effort!

You might want to consider using this tool - (tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/webreflinks.py) - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well all by itself. For those it can;t do by itself, it gives you a pull-down (or up) menu of templates to choose from, which you can then fill in manually. Often the problem is "No title found" - sometimes the title is obvious (especially if it's a pdf), bit, if not, just open the page yourself and choose soemthing appropriate if there's not already a clear title there. Happy editing! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 08:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Edits to International Criminal Court

Hi Agnostosgnostos! I wanted to explain why I removed your addition to the complementarity section of the International Criminal Court article. The addition appears inappropriate to me because it is stripped verbatim from the first half of an abstract of an article on a highly technical topic. Moreover, the major insight, when distilled to plain language, is that some argue that complementarity was not actually observed by the court until 2013, but others argue that the court has always observed complementarity. This insight appears too esoteric for inclusion in an encyclopedia entry on the ICC at large and therefore I believe it is best to omit it. – Zntrip 01:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zntrip! I would like to thank you for your insightful comment! You have a good point I have to admit although I would not totally agree with the "esoteric" characterisation. Following our discussion I think it would be best if I re-edited the issue of complementarity again and put it in the Criticism section as a separate newly-emerged chapter there.--Agnostosgnostos 13:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Agnostosgnostos! I think your recent edits are a great improvement to the article. The additional paragraph does a good job of balancing out the point and the inclusion in the "criticism" section makes more sense. I want to apologize if I came off as harsh with my esoteric label. While I actually find the topic quite interesting, I want to make sure it is approachable for the average reader. Best regards, – Zntrip 01:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zntrip! I was away on vacations at first and then family issues kept me away for a while! I am truly glad that you liked the latest version! I hope that i will be able to contribute more in the Wikipedia this year. Have a nice day!--Agnostosgnostos 11:26, 5 September 2017 (UTC)