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Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Tripedalia-cystophora.png is scheduled to be Picture of the Day on October 20, 2016. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2016-10-20. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Portrait of Vasily Konovalenko (1984) with his gem sculpture "Grandmother".jpg

Hi Ruthven. Since you added {{OTRS permission}} to File:Portrait of Vasily Konovalenko (1984) with his gem sculpture "Grandmother".jpg, I am wondering if there's any reason it still needs a non-free use rationale. If not, then maybe converting the rationale to {{Information}} would be OK; otherwise, it may eventually be flagged by a bot as {{Wrong-license}}. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cancellatore

Ciao Ruthven, mi daresti un occhio a commons:User talk:Rcclh per fermarlo? Continua a radere al suolo la pagina di discussione anche se contiene avvisi importanti. Ed è già stato revertato più volte. Come previsto da tutte le linee guida sulle pagine di discussione nei vari progetti, si possono archiviare e in alcuni casi anche cancellare, ciò purché non contengano avvisi ed elementi importanti per gli amminsitratori. Questo è proprio quel tipo di caso, anche in considerazione di ciò che afferma (erroneamente) rispetto alle licenze. Thanks ;) --Lucas (talk) 10:15, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PS: non so come ho fatto a finire per scriverti su en.wiki anziché su commons (o casomai it.wiki), misteri del surfaggio (ero passato da google e poi ho modificato l'url manualmente :-D) --Lucas (talk) 10:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Lucas: Infatti, son rimasto sorpreso anch'io! Ci butto un occhio, ma non potrò seguirlo molto, dato che fra meno di un'ora devo essere partito (e sono in viaggio per il resto della giornata). --Ruthven (msg) 10:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tranquillo grazie, vai pure, tra poco tra l'altro esco anche io. :) Ci si vede negli altri progetti. :-D --Lucas (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tra l'altro l'ironico è che volevo espressamente scrivere su commons e non su altri progetti o lista admin, perché fosse tutto seguibile (come si vede da questo), e poi son finito qui. Vabbè, sempre seguibile è. Alla prox. ;) --Lucas (talk) 16:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@BoringHistoryGuy: Thank you! Happy new year! --Ruthven (msg) 15:39, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, at your recent edit on Consumers Distributing about the logo, you forgot to remove the size and the characters around the file name. It should be written only Consumers Distributing logo.jpg on the line to be standardized, these characters and size logo are not essential and not standardized on Wikipedia. It would be welcome if you edit that, because we need to be a registered user, the page is locked for now. Thank You. Quotabowl (talk) 23:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Quotabowl: Better now? --Ruthven (msg) 23:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

L'IP 151.82.35.136 che ti ha scritto su commons è Ninonino AKA Kustur, un amministratore della wiki lombarda, anonimizzato. Sono ormai 2 anni e mezzo che sta cercando d'imporre l'accento grave su tutti i nomi italiani terminati in E accentata in tutte le altre wiki. Questo suo POV probabilmente deriva dal modo in cui le pronuncia nel suo accento bresciano. Non gli va giù che altri non la pensino come lui, anche dove si raggiunge un chiaro consenso per l'accento acuto lui fa di tutto per farlo cambiare. Persino arrampicarsi sugli specchi tirando fuori un aut aut sulla coerenza di voci che non c'entrano niente l'una con l'altra. Si è discusso per ognuna di esse giungendo a conclusioni differenti ma lui deve per forza averla vinta comunque imponendo un'identità di decisioni per casi diversi. È talmente ossessionato da questo che quando provo ad aprire discussioni con altri utenti puntualmente compare lui (da anonimo s'intende, non ha il coraggio di usare il suo profilo principale anche se la sua identità è stata provata) che poi invoca sempre gli amministratori perché mi blocchino. Gli sono scomodo perché io porto argomenti e non POV e quasi sempre mi viene data ragione. L'ultima volta dev'esser stato un bello smacco per lui: mezza dozzina di comuni sono stati consensualmente spostati da -è a -é. Non riesce ad accettarlo e cerca di rendersi una rivincita in qualche modo. Proprio l'utente modello, il Wikipediano neutrale senza punti di vista. Potrei raccontartene altre e peggiori su di lui ma non ti ho già occupato troppo spazio. Ti ho scritto qua perché se ti avessi risposto su commons sarebbe subito corso a chiedere a qualcuno di bloccarmi l'account, da buon vigliacco qual è. E pensare che con un paio di ricerche su Internet è stato facile risalire alla sua identità reale, mi sarei aspettato un bambinone mantenuto dai genitori invece di chi è, è incredibile che qualcuno come lui passi (e riesca a passare liberamente) tanto tempo in questo modo a commettere bassezze di questo tipo da anonimo internettiano... Idelovub (talk) 18:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Idelovub: Attualmente si tratta dell'utente Arbalete (ex Friedrichstrasse) che, apparentemente, ha un comportamento simile. --Ruthven (msg) 20:04, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ruthven: trattasi in entrambi i casi di utenti con almeno un profilo infinitato ora reincarnatisi in IP anonimi: la cosa migliore da fare è ignorarli invece che dar loro corda. In ogni caso so che si prevede un giorno di trasformare i nomi delle categorie su commons in codici alfanumerici come su wikidata, il che rende le attuali nuove rinominazioni delle categorie da parte di Arbalete e di chiunque spinge per farlo assolutamente inutili; basta lasciarle come sono ora cioè coerente con la grafia della wiki italiana usata anche nella maggior parte delle altre wiki. Idelovub (talk) 09:12, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Potenza Calcio

Ok, OTRS like OTRS, but the logo was changed, that logo is no more the logo that is used by the club. Rhinen

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Hi Ruthven, this account on it.wiki is a confirmed sock of 84101e40247 (see this archived sock report). Considering the way that they make socks, I thought you may want to take a closer look. Cheers,
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@Berean Hunter:

Done Thanks. I haven't found any other sock on it.wiki for the moment, and the other accounts haven't edited there. Lemme know if there are some developments. Cheers! --Ruthven (msg) 09:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please take care not to waste other editors' time by adding {{stub}} to an article like Crisiidae which already has a specific stub, and also remember that all stub tags go at the top, not the end - see WP:ORDER. Thanks. PamD 00:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ways to improve Filippo Cammarano

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Thank you for creating Filippo Cammarano.

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Thanks Abishe. For the references, they are all in the page. If you check the Treccani, there are all the information I added and even more, but I feel that it's pointless to repeat the same reference to every sentence. Soon I'll write another page to link this one. Cheers! --Ruthven (msg) 17:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Is modification on image and uploaded it on wiki violates copyright?

Dear,

There are so many discussions about my uploaded files. I just want to know if I edited or modified any taken photos as such that it looks so different from the original photo. Is that still considered copyright infringement or violation?

Scenario 1:

If that's the case, then how are youtube channels like Failarmy, KhilliBuzzChiru, chottochele, BadmasBipua, SSTroll and so on uploading others' Tiktok videos, Insta reels? Not only this but these YouTubers are trolling, abusing the original creators and using their videos they’re making money, and yes that too without permission.

Also, YouTubers like magicshowfootball, 6oonclassic, NinetyVirus, Football-Show, TeoCRi kGZ, soccerprime697, J9Studio, AshStudio7, Score90 and so on are using live football matches videos with some edits on their channels. No! none of them are affiliated or associated or authorized with those tournaments or by fifa or by leagues. Some of them even have subscribers in millions and are also verified by youtube.

They literally making money with those videos so aren't they violating copyright?

Scenario 2:

Even many free images are also selling ”as it is” on photo selling sites like shutter stock, adobe stock. Need proof? Here are some of them:

Example 1: Where these same images are freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay 1, Pixabay 2, Pixabay 3 these are also available on photo selling site Alamy 1, Alamy 2, Alamy 3

Example 2: Where these same images are freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay 1, Pixabay 2 these are also available on photo-selling site Adobe Stock 1, Adobe Stock 2

Example 3: Where these same images are freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay 1, Pixabay 2, Pixabay 3 these are also available on photo selling site Shutter Stock 1, Shutter Stock 2, Shutter Stock 3

Example 4: Where this same image is freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay, it is also available on photo selling site Dreamstime

Note: All of them from Pixabay (The 2nd best free image source after Wiki) are either featured in the Editor's Choice or Outstanding by Pixabay which means it was reviewed rigorously by the team to choose if those are genuine or not.

As the photos are selling without the original author’s permission (yes, the Pixabay and photo selling owner are completely different - checked through their social medias and names) so aren't they violating copyright?

Scenario 3:

Even I got many promotional emails (as I subscribed) from “Trademark Factory” ( a company that registers copyrights and trademark like stuffs) is using others’ gifs in the emails. You may say ohh they are doing that because it’s meant for personal use. No! It’s not! Promotional emails are also a commercial asset and many are buying products from those email links. How can that be meant for personal use?

I got a image in my emali in which they’re using others' copyrighted materials (yes the below image not belongs to them):

That image was originally taken from the Buzzfeed

I have many of these. But due to laziness, I just mentioned one.

So aren’t they also violating?

Then you might say Youtube and Wikipedia are different at their field. But they originate from the same country "USA" and isn't the copyright law apply equally to them?

On the other hand, I just uploaded photos that were modified as such which makes totally different from the original photos. Where these YouTubers literally using others clips without permission and making money.

Where I just uploaded them for nonprofit - wiki and obviously want to help travelers. How? Because as most of them seek wikipedia for many travel related infos, if they get appropriate images with that it will be greatly helpful.

Even most of the news websites use others image just by citing the source. Is just citation enough to bypass the copyright and that too without permission?

My Intention:

To be honest, I have no bad intentions at all in uploading these images.

I uploaded Belgharia Railway Station.png, Agarpara Railway Station.png, Barahat railway station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg because there were no better images portraying the station/subject or the previously uploaded image were insufficient in portraying the station/subject.
I uploaded Sealdah Station.jpg, because that will give better comparison between past and current view of sealdah station with the image Sealdah Station (BOND 0481).jpg with the image Like this:

I uploaded Eleta Kingsley.jpg because there was no other image of him.
By uploading images on wiki, I really want to help travelers and people who are hungry for knowledge. Travelers will get appropriate images along with infos. Seriously I felt this too helpful and needed when I have gone through this situation while traveling to mnay places.

Modification:

Below I am mentioning the images I modified:

Agarpara Railway Station.png was modified originally from https://goo.gl/maps/eShLwydsyoN5Bifg6

Barahat railway station.jpg was modified originally from https://goo.gl/maps/gq4AVizsbd6oKDYV8

And the similar was done for the images Belgharia Railway Station.png, Eleta Kingsley.jpg, Sealdah Station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg, Habra Railway Station.png (on these images collection from 3rd parties was involved but with modification)

But also note: Among my uploaded images 1) বন্ধু (Friends).png; 2) খাদ্যের গুনমান নির্দেশক.png 3) Old Sealdah Station.jpg the first two I completely own.

For 1) I am the photographer and the editor for this image. I reuploaded this (originally uploaded in 2020) because I uploaded it with my site’s name in the photo, caption, and even in the description. That’s why I allow deleted the photo and again uploaded it. The pic was drawn on my finger and captured by me.

For 2) I edited this photo from the starting to finish by myself through photo editing software. So, yes in these 2 photos, no collection or source was made or any 3rd parties were involved. I completely own and photographed these.

For 3) It was already proven (though no way I ever claimed myself as the owner of that photo). It’s in the public domain and found on a 1900s postcard see the proof here.

In Short:

Is modification on images violate copyright? Except for the 3 images বন্ধু (Friends).png; Old Sealdah Station.jpg; খাদ্যের গুনমান নির্দেশক.png simply delete those rest other files If modification still violates the copyright! If not, please keep them!
I used modification on the image as such that it looks different from the original. Still people on the internet like youtubers, news agencies are using others images “As it is” and that too without permission. And they said they can use others as long as they cite others. Yes, I heard good YouTubers saying that citing images of others is enough: Source What? Is this called copyright? Just cite others and now you can use them? If that’s the thing then what is copyright? To what extent it can be used?

One more thing to ask: As per wiki CC4.0 stated Wikimedia images can be modified and used if it is distributed under the same share-alike license means CC4.0. I just want to ask if I use Wikimedia images as it is or modified in commercial blog posts or in any commercial writings, is this completely fine to use? Mean, is this copyright-free to use?

(I added many images while sending this same message to the VRT by email but as I can't add images here you can consider the sourced links)

Thank you, (talk) 16:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I suppose that TheAafi already answered you on certain points.

very probably Youtubers are violating copyright with their videos. Generally YouTube de-monetize those videos (so, they don't always make money), but takedown requests from the copyright holder can happen. On Wikimedia projects we do not accept copyright violations and we do check if the uploader has the rights to upload a file (which is kind of unique in the Internet panorama).

To go back to your question. You can modify an image that is published with a license that allows modification. E.g. Old Sealdah Station.jpg is in the public domain, so you can edit and re-publish it without needing anything. On the other hand, if you published photos on which you have no rights; in other words, for which you are not the photographer, you need to have the original photographer (not you!) sending an email to VRT.

For many of these files you wrote that you are the photographer; e.g. Belgharia Railway Station.png, Agarpara Railway Station.png, Barahat railway station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg. So, what is the truth? Ruthven (msg) 19:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For many of these files you wrote that you are the photographer; e.g. Belgharia Railway Station.png, Agarpara Railway Station.png, Barahat railway station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg. So, what is the truth? - I never said I am the photographer of those images (I think you should read again in the previous reply). But as I modified those images I just mentioned myself as the owner. And as far I get to know from other VRT it's also copyright violation. Ok, then the user TheAafi adviced me to get a permission from the original photographer. But here's the problem those were originally derived from the Google photos and then I modified those. But Google maps gives no option to talk with users then how will I seek the permission? HridoyKundu (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu Actually, in the VRT ticket, you do say that you are the author.

The main point is: if you modify an image, you are the owner of the modifications only. The rights of the original author still hold. So, in order to publish these images, we need 2 peromssions: the one of the original author, and the one from who modified the image. It is what TheAafi said basically.

This case is a typocale one: the images were taken from the Internet without any connection with the original authors. I am afraid that we'll have to delete all these files, because it's impossible to get to the owner of the copyright.

In the future, I recommend to search for photos on platforms like Flickr, where, in general, it is possible to get in touch with the photographer.

So, to answer to your questions:

To modify an image is a copyright violation if the file is not published with a license that allows modifications. Photos taken from the Internet generally aren't.
Many media can use the files as they are under the fair use doctrine. On Wikimedia Commons we do not do that.
CC4.0 is not a license. CC BY-SA 4.0 is. If a file is published under CC BY-SA 4.0 (like most on Commons), you can use that file in a commercial post, given that 1) you attribute the image (even the modified one) to the original authorm and 2) You mention the license with a link to its text in the very same post (e.g. for CC BY-SA 4.0 the link must point to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/).

Hope that helps. Ruthven (msg) 09:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very good explanation, thank you 😀

The last question: see there are sites like canva which allows users to edit photos with their templates and elements. Is using those in editing in a plain photo violates copyright? (Seriously I never imagined that Copyright law is so rigid and complex)

Lastly, please delete those files which I mentioned, not all. (Old Sealdah station, friends, খাদ্যের গুণমান নির্দেশক should not be deleted as the last 2 is completely mine work and first is under public domain) Thanks!☺️ HridoyKundu (talk) 11:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Ruthven (msg) 14:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu, Canva has a Content License Agreement page where they explain how you can use their content, images, designs etc. You should read that page. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

understood thanks ❤️ HridoyKundu (talk) 18:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]