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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 107.190.222.11 (talk) at 21:27, 19 June 2023 (→Emacipation?). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2023

I request an edit about the flag for Juneteenth. Many Afro Americans are now requesting the Juneteenth Flag created by Ben Haith be used to represent Juneteenth rather than the Pan African flag which is incorrect. Please update the page to mention the Juneteenth Flag and please link the Juneteenth Flag article. It will help give the flag recognition. Asahae (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources? Slatersteven (talk) 13:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. @Asahae: You can add this your self, if you cite your sources. RudolfRed (talk) 01:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey was the last slave state.

The New Jersey Historical Commission, a State agency, at https://nj.gov/state/historical/his-2021-juneteenth.shtml , gives this sad fact:

(quote) Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas. (end quote)

Of course the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified December 6,1865, so the New Jersey amendment was a formality. JoeBrennan (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elsewhere in Wikipedia it says that slavery ended with the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, which had the effect of freeing the remaining slaves in Kentucky and Delaware. These articles don't mention New Jersey. I'm seeing this at Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution#Freeing slaves, and at End of slavery in the United States#Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. So as you suggest the New Jersey law was a formality of sorts. — Mudwater (Talk) 21:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This entry is wrong

Juneteenth commemorates the rectification of an injustice. It recognizes the two and a half year delay in the emancipation of slaves in Galveston, Texas through the activation of Union Troops against Texan slave holders who continued to hold free blacks as slaves in violation of the Emancipation Proclamation.

https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/historical-legacy-juneteenth Jlaramee (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean this line "Deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth, it is celebrated on the anniversary of the order, issued by Major General Gordon Granger on June 19, 1865, proclaiming freedom for slaves in Texas"? Slatersteven (talk) 14:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the history section, shouldn’t the full story of Granger's order be shown, as this is unclear. Even his full name is not given, and this is the section that should show the whole history. Very confusing, especially if someone just wanted to read the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.192.29 (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The history section already has his full name (as does the intro). What do you mean by "whole history"? What precisely is not there? Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A lossy combination

"[...] deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth." It's a lossy combination, though, isn't. Personally I would mention that unfortunate fact in this article. Anyone who doesn't already know what date the holiday falls on won't be able to tell for sure from the holiday's name (it might fall on June 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, or 19th). While you're at it, I'd also mention that some people think that "Juneteenth" is a too-casual and sloppy--and therefore disrespectful--moniker for a remembrance of the level of gravitas of this anniversary. And if you need a citation for that, you can use this topic. 2601:600:8500:6A40:F92A:D74D:5861:650D (talk) 00:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Slatersteven (talk) 12:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

End of the Civil War

I was taught that "Juneteenth" was when official word of the end of the Civil War reached Galveston --- not word about the 13th Amendment (which I was taught only freed slaves in Union held territories and in the North). 2600:8800:395:B000:964:ADCE:B322:9BC3 (talk) 10:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Slatersteven (talk) 12:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier citation of "Juneteenth"

An earlier citation of the word "Juneteenth" comes from the Brenham (Texas) Weekly Banner, June 25 1891, https://www.newspapers.com/image/68044659/?terms=%22juneteenth%22&match=1 . Maybe somebody could add this. 2607:FEA8:1FDF:2000:C5C7:3E03:8893:4D14 (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah this what I don't understand. Why are we calling this Holiday Juneteenth? It's clearly racist to call it Juneteenth. Your source not only points to a more specific origin for the word than the unsourced wikipedia origin but your sources author uses the word to make fun of black people. Has there ever been any real discussion of what this Holiday should be called and why? 68.6.71.154 (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

America’s Second Independence Day

There is a link saying "By Whom?" (not "Citation Needed") referring to the phrase "America's Second Independence Day" that goes to Wikipedia's "Weasel Words" webpage for unsupported attributions at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions. However, if you Google "America's Second Independence Day" you will find the first example of a source using this phrase is Duke University at https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/juneteenth-celebrating-americas-second-independence-day. I thought that maybe someone on this discussion board would be able to update this reference. Thank you. Afrenning (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly reasonable request. I'm sure Duke is all very good, but let's utilize the Smithsonian and National Geographic, shall we? BusterD (talk) 20:19, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Juneteenth Name

There is no proper source for how this Holiday received its name.

"Deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth..." is stated as a fact without a proper source. Someone invented the name or it originated from somewhere. Something must explain the motivations to use "Juneteenth" as the holiday's name rather than creating a name for the holiday or simply calling it June 19th. 68.6.71.154 (talk) 21:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the article through? The lead summarizes the sourced content. Look in the "Early Juneteenth celebrations" section, references 34, 48 and 49. Acroterion (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Emacipation?

Lincoln freed slaves in Texas on January 1, 1863. Why a national celebration of another declaration of freedom for slaves just in Texas by a lowly general? Historical discussion lacks decent reason. Please add to article. 107.190.222.11 (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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