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WP:1E. This man is famous as of yesterday for one event. Not notable. cagliost (talk) 06:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: non-extended-confirmed users are not permitted to edit this project discussion per WP:GS/RUSUKR.  —Michael Z. 13:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I haven't delved deep into Ukrainian-language sources but there's evidence that he has been active in Waffen-SS veteran's circles post-war and information that makes him more notable beyond a single event could be find. But even if there isn't, I think the controversy surrounding his summon to Parliament is receiving such a great deal of attention that's going to be known for a long time that it's notable. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 14:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could not agree more. This was an historical event. Gary 7vn (talk) 14:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move the article as per suggestions above, and have it focus on the incident first and Hunka second, as opposed the other way around. Hunka is primarily covered because of this incident.Cortador (talk) 09:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article was not created until the scandal. That's why cagliost nominated referring to WP:1E. glman (talk) 15:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to a new page on the event, or on the trip to Canada. I agree with the nominator, policy WP:1E applies. However, the event seems notable. I'm not sure we've shown that it's lasting effects, so WP:NOTNEWS may apply. Could we roll it into an article about the visit as a whole? At least until we have evidence it's an event with sustained effects? Lots of arguments in the comments that to not reference any Wikipedia policy. glman (talk) 16:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. While the recent incident has certainly put the spotlight on him, he has a well-documented history and as apparently had a leadership role among the Nazi-collaborator Ukrainian veterans in Canada. Given the integral role that he's played in this national and international event, his bio is deserving of inclusion. Note that, following this event, Poland may seek his extradition on war crimes charges. [2] -2003:CA:8707:C60:1E85:2D36:7F42:DCF4 (talk) 16:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I went to several news sites trying to figure out how easy his involvement with the SS was. I found it in this article. I would be very concerned about this article being deleted. While I agree that he has achieved national notoriety for the one event, is irrelevant. It appears that a very superficial vetting of this person would find concerns. Don't hide this information. 96.30.130.38 (talk) 16:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. the incident and the person has now made international news and can be cited on multiple reliable sources. Anvib (talk) 17:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. The incident is notable at least as part of Rota's biography, but the person is not necessarily notable. There were more notable members of SS Galizien living in Canada and the US.
    Also, it's a curious cultural phenomenon: Canada accepted many of the SS Galizien veterans in the aftermath of WWII, but the headlines appear only 70 years later. --Amakuha (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep As the 1st and to date only Nazi SS officer honoured in Canada's Parliament, during a high profile visit by the Ukrainian PM during the war with Russia, and the subject of international news coverage- he is very notable. --TheTruthiness (talk) 17:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep or Rename/Merge. Deletion of this article would be politically motivated in my view. I would like this to be kept or renamed/merged into something like the "Hunka Affair" etc. This is a major scandal in Canada and has had international ramifications now that it appears that Poland is seeking this individual's extradition. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Move. This individual is only notable for one event, and as per WP:1E, the general rule is to cover the event, and not the person. If anything, this should be covered under an article about the event.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 18:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    "only notable for one event". That is not exactly true, it appears he has been in the media before at least in Canada; there are other sources from 2022 which noted his presence at protests against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Anvib (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: While the subject may not have been very notable on his own for his actions during the war, the politization of him in recent times has definitely made him notable enough to keep. At the very most, this article should be renamed/recentered around the events that took place in Canada and not in Europe. EytanMelech (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, though renaming or moving to a “Hunka controversy “ article would be acceptable. Both the man and the controversy over his being honored in the Canadian Parliament are notable. His individual case, which may extend to war crimes charges and trial, and the history of the SS Galizien division as a whole are complicated and nuanced. A rational, sourced article that can help shed light on them is of significant value. Brons (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Agree with above, deleting this article is trying to sweep the event under the rug as a political move. People deserve to know who was honoured by the Canadian parliament. There are plenty of secondary sources even without the controversy to substantiate Hunka's notability. Deathying (talk) 18:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. Wikipedia has plenty of articles about people who are known for one or few things - someone which is at the heart of a national/international political "incident" figures relatively high-up in the "encyclopaedia-worthy" list. Whilst Mr Hunka may have become famous for the incident, it does not appear as if that is his only history-worthy fact, given that by definition there may well be citeable research in the near future into his actual contribution to the war/his biography between the war and showing up in the Canadian parliament. Peter Kelford (talk) 19:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - BLP1E doesn't apply for the following reasons:
  1. Hunka was the central figure in the event, rather than being only incidentally involved.
  2. The controversy occurred in large part due to Hunka's overall biography and personal history, rather than some specific action he took during his visit to the Canadian Parliament.
  3. The reporting on Hunka in many cases covers his entire life as relevant to the central controversy rather than merely for color. Many journalists have focused specifically on Hunka's past and thus his life story has now become notable, even if he only originally gained widespread public attention due to his Canadian Parliament appearance.
  4. Hunka has been profiled as an individual in both Canadian and international media.
  5. Hunka has become involved in other events beyond his initial appearance at the Canadian Parliament. The Polish government has publicly announced that it is investigating him and may seek to extradite him to Poland. This constitutes another event in which Hunka has been implicated and of relevance to this article.
Accordingly, the article should be kept and not moved to another name referring only to a single incident. D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 19:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Important individual especially considering the impact he caused Durangoose (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Relevant and necessary, especially when the governments trying to pretend it didnt happen, having a bank of sources like this is important. 2607:FEA8:BADF:7450:BC7F:E811:1727:F546 (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC).[reply]
Keep The fact that the speaker resigned over the affair makes it noteworthy. That said, I would not be opposed to moving the page to focus on the incident rather than the person.--Tulzscha (talk) 22:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Heap on the Keep The man caused the Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada to resign and it might develop into something even bigger if Poland extradites him and tries him for war crimes. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Rename. He is not any more notable than any other SS officer. What is notable is the controversy surrounding, and thus I think this should be an event page rather than biography. It would be more informative to the average person looking this up to have a box on the impact of his being applauded in Parliament, result, date of this happening and so on. Any information about him specifically should be framed as secondary, as the details of his deeds are not as pertinent information. Focusing too much on the deeds of any given SS officer on Wikipedia is liable to glorification when framed out of context of consequences (which are why people are searching for this information). Keeping this as a biography page sets a precedent to continue to have articles for every former SS officer who ends up commended; whether in Canadian Parlament or through something like Operation Paperclip. People years from now who will not have the fallout of this fresh in their memory may have a distorted view of what happened if it is framed as an individual Nazi who received a standing ovation on his own merit, having to scroll down sections in order to find out that the Speaker in the House Of Commons resigned after he learned what he had done, or that numerous MPs spoke out against this after the fact in disbelief that the Speaker would have done this, citing having been misled. It matters to know that this was not accepted, and it had consequences, as the primary leading information in this article, above the individual Nazi. He could have been any Nazi that the Speaker befriended.
    Most of the information can remain the same, but there is no reason this should be a biography page specifically. He does not have a page because he himself was notable. We do not have pages for Holocaust survivors who have been mentioned in Parliament. Again, he is not notable on his own without this incident. (As much as I am certain many of us wish his actions were an outlier, and thus notable.) It should be a page categorized as a major incident or event in ongoing Canadian history. Averagecryptid (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]