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Objections to cutting Race and intelligence section?
This section borrows heavily from former iterations of the main article Race and intelligence, which has been substantially improved since then. I would be happy to update the section to reflect current consensus over there, but I also wonder whether it even fits in this article. It really doesn't say much about society as written and it seems dubious to me that WP:RS exist to fix that. Thoughts? Generalrelative (talk) 22:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and revised the introduction for clarity. However, I have some concerns about my new introduction that I'm going to put here. Ainzy (talk) 05:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned that the new introduction talks too much about the historic invention of our current concept of race, I tried to keep it brief but I don't think I succeeded
The original introduction says that "some interpretations" of race are "deconstructionist" and "post-structuralist" and thus take the historical construction of race into account. It's widely accepted in academia that race is socially constructed, so I didn't include the terms deconstructionism or post-structuralism when talking about this because it seemed slightly irrelevant.
It also hyperlinked biological/genetic determinism in a sentence in which it talked about "racial attributes beyond mere anatomy" as being socially and culturally determined, which is contradictory. I decided to exclude biological determinism entirely and instead focussed on scientific racism, which I believe they were trying to refer to.
Overall, I think the new introduction sounds less racist (I don't think the original one was actually racist but the ambiguous wording made it hard to tell) but I think it could stand to briefly talk about race in modern society.
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